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    Marrdro's Roster Analysis (New Roster Analysis Added)

    OK.
    I've been harping on roster positions and drafting to fill them for some time now.
    To help me as I work out my mock draft he is what I work up to help me analyze the teams needs.

    Currently the Vikings carry the following numbers at each position.

    Read in four columns (Position/number carried last year/number on the roster/comments)
    QB 3 2
    RB 3 2
    FB 2 2
    WR 5 4
    TE 4 5
    OL 8 9 Mozes is extra
    DT 4 3 Loss of Johnson
    DE 5 7 Keneche out.

    Erasmus questionable. Grigsby signed late.
    LB 6 6 Rufus for Dontarius Thomas/Signed Pope
    CB 5 4 Whitaker status unknown
    S 5 3 Tank/Doss roster spots still open
    P 1 1
    K 1 1
    LS 1 1

    Just based on numbers based on actual roster spots being filled, were are short at QB, S, DT, CB, RB, and WR.

    If one were to look at it from a depth (by talent) then I would say we are weak at DE (LDE), S, DT, OT (LT), QB, CB and RB in that order.

    Read in five columns (Roster Number/Name/Position/Years Exp/Notes)
    1
    Tarvaris Jackson QB


    2
    2
    Brooks Bollinger QB


    5

    Could be Vet Backup if one isn't brought in. (Sage)
    3
    Open Roster spot QB


    11 Kelly Holcomb. Anticipate replacing with Rookie in 2008 draft.
    4
    Adrian Peterson RB


    R
    5
    Chester Taylor RB


    6
    6
    Maurice Hicks RB


    4
    Replaces Memo

    7
    Thomas Tapeh FB


    4
    Replaces T-rich.
    8
    Naufahu Tahi FB


    2
    2008 is his contract year.
    Could be a roster cut casualty
    9
    Bernard Berrian WR

    4
    For T-will
    10 Sidney Rice WR

    R
    11 Bobby Wade WR

    5
    12 Aundrae Allison WR

    R
    13 Robert Ferguson WR

    7
    Ferg resigned to one year deal
    14 Jeff Dugan TE/FB 4
    15 Braden Jones TE/FB R
    No roster spot.
    Singed as a FB Feb 21 2006.
    16 Jim Kleinsasser TE


    9
    Restructured contract in 2007.
    Could be a roster cut
    17 Garrett Mills TE


    2
    No roster spot.
    Could fill H-back role.

    18 Visanthe Shiancoe TE


    5
    19 Matt Birk C


    10
    20 Ryan Cook OT

    2
    21 Dan Mozes C /G
    1
    No roster spot.
    Backup to Birk/G positions
    22 Artis Hicks G


    4
    Could be a roster cut to get Mozes on roster or another rookie
    23 Steve Hutchinson G


    6
    24 Anthony Herrera G


    4
    25 Marcus Johnson G


    7
    Could be an option for McKinnie.
    MIght draft a guy for him.
    26 Chase Johnson OT

    3
    Could be an option for McKinnie.
    27 Bryant McKinnie OT

    R
    Could be suspended 4 games.
    28 Ray Edwards DE

    2
    Listed as off suspension.
    29 Otis Grigsby DE

    2

    30 Erasmus James DE

    3
    Listed as off IR. Could be out for good share of season
    31 Jayme Mitchell DE

    2
    32 Brian Robison DE

    R
    33 Open Roster Spot DE

    4
    Darrion Scott. Listed as off IR.
    34 Fred Evans DT

    2
    35 Kevin Williams DT

    5
    36 Pat Williams DT

    11
    37 Rufus Alexander LB


    R
    Listed as off IR.Will take Dontarious Thomas roster position
    38 Vinny Ciurciu LB


    5
    39 Heath Farwell LB


    3
    Offer tendered.
    40 Chad Greenway LB


    2
    41 E.J. Henderson LB


    5
    42 Ben Leber LB


    6
    43 Derrick Pope LB


    4

    Dontarious Thomas
    44 Charles Gordon CB

    2
    45 Cedric Griffin CB

    2
    46 Marcus McCauley CB

    R
    47 Open Roster spot CB



    Whitaker.
    Could be resigned.
    Draft possibility.
    48 Antoine Winfield CB

    9
    49 Open Roster spot S




    Doss Draft Possibility.
    Number given to Madieu
    50 Eric Frampton S


    R
    51 Darren Sharper S


    11 Possibly need to look at this spot next year
    52 Madieu Williams S


    4

    Took Dwight Smiths roster spot
    53 Open Roster spot S





    Tank Could be resigned. Replace with low level FA or draft.
    54 Cullen Loeffler C


    4
    55 Ryan Longwell PK

    11
    Could see a guy brought in to compete for this spot
    56 Chris Kluwe P


    3

    Currently we have 13 players on the practice squad.
    Not sure if any of these guys could be pulled up to the active roster to fill a couple of vacancies but I doubt it.
    Feel free to chime in if you think one of these cats might have the talent.
    Again, my guess is if they were any good a team would have already snatched them.

    If someone has a good url that list the actual composition of our practice squad I would appreciate it.
    I came up with this by Google and the ESPN activation page.

    1

    Daniels, Brian



    G
    2

    Everett, Tyler



    S
    3

    Evwaraye, Seppo

    G
    4

    Filani, Joel





    WR
    5

    Guerrero, Alex


    DT
    6

    McCann, Dee



    DB
    7

    Nance, Martin



    WR
    8

    Surrency, Justin

    WR
    9

    Whitlock, Arkee

    RB
    10 David Herron Jr.

    LB
    11 Little, Brent




    WR
    12 Hawkins, Mike


    CB
    13 Mathis, Wendell

    RB
    (Edit:
    I had a senior moment and had Surrency on there twice
    ;D).

    Based on what I see with respect to depth at each position in the draft, team needs, and of course pending any other FA signings I see them going the following way in the draft.

    1.
    BPA between a DE or S.
    My bet it is DE here and another later in the draft.
    2.
    DT.
    No safety of value in the second round.

    3a. OT. Big shift for me here. They take a guy that there isn't a roster spot for.
    3b. S.
    Depending on what happens during the rest of FA we still need two more safties.
    4.
    QB. The guy that will sit the bench and learn.
    Will eventually replace TJ as starter if he doesn't pan out, or if he leaves for a bigger contract at the end of his first contract.
    5.
    RB. Again, if they get a vet then they won't draft a RB here.
    6.
    S/DE.

    Again, all depends on the rest of FA.
    Might still need two this year.
    7. CB.
    Need a ST if Whitaker goes someplace else. If he is resigned they won't take a CB in this draft.


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    Re: Marrdro's Roster Analysis

    Throw Quinn in there and you really got a good roster!
    ;D

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    Re: Marrdro's Roster Analysis

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    Throw Quinn in there and you really got a good roster!

    ;D
    Hey I'm all for getting him, however, he will be available for alot less in 2 years.
    ;D
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    Re: Marrdro's Roster Analysis

    Hey Marr

    On your practice roster, positions 8 and 12??? are they related or is the guy good enough for two slots ;D

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    Re: Marrdro's Roster Analysis

    "Bkfldviking" wrote:
    Hey Marr

    On your practice roster, positions 8 and 12??? are they related or is the guy good enough for two slots ;D
    Nice catch my friend.
    Again, I was just plugging names in as I found something.
    Must have found him twice.
    ;D
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    Re: Marrdro's Roster Analysis

    Nice work Marr!
    I was thinking about an updated needs thread yesterday.
    Guess I didn't do a very good job


    Right now, it looks like we need a LDE pretty bad.
    Unless something changes, that first round pick should probably go there, or possibly S, not just for depth but for the future as well.
    Seems to me those needs out weigh giving the pick to CLE for Quinn.

    After years and years of disappointing defense, I am so stoked that we finally appear to be on the edge of something really, really special there!!
    I'd love to see us go DE, DT, S (in some order) with our first three picks!


    If we finish something up with Ferguson, the addition of Berrian and development of Rice, Wade, and Allison puts us pretty set at WR.
    Barring injuries, It might be hard for any of our PS guys to break that lineup.

    Backup QB is a pretty important position, so I hope they are taking a good long look at that.
    With all the games TJack missed last year, we need a better option.
    They could surprise us here a bit...might be a higher pick than we think.
    They offered a third for Sage?
    Could be some good prospects available in the third, and they may have the picks to move up.
    Especially if they can pull a little two step like they did last year
    ;D

    The OT need level depends on McKinnie's suspension some.
    We'll need at least part time replacement.
    He just doesn't seem to play full speed all the time.
    Sometimes he looks great, others horrible.
    Maybe he's not fast enough for the scheme they've got him in?
    IMHO it is time to take a look at what his future is for the Vikings.

    Which brings me to Birk...he just hasn't been quite the same since all the operations.
    Maybe, partially, the DTs are bigger these days.
    Sooner or later we'll need a replacement there too.

    Winfield is good, and Griffin, MacCauley and Gordon all seem to be improving.
    We have options at KR/PR.
    CB isn't a calling need to me.
    I could see them going with a combo guy like Reggie Smith though...to cover depth at two positions.

    RB I'm not worried about...there always seems to be a guy out there (see Ryan Grant-Packers), and we already have Tahi and Whitlock as possibilities.
    Could still see a late round value pick.
    Control the line, control the time, and give your D a chance to shine!!

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    Re: Marrdro's Roster Analysis

    "mountainviking" wrote:
    Nice work Marr!
    I was thinking about an updated needs thread yesterday.
    Guess I didn't do a very good job


    Right now, it looks like we need a LDE pretty bad.
    Unless something changes, that first round pick should probably go there, or possibly S, not just for depth but for the future as well.
    Seems to me those needs out weigh giving the pick to CLE for Quinn.

    After years and years of disappointing defense, I am so stoked that we finally appear to be on the edge of something really, really special there!!
    I'd love to see us go DE, DT, S (in some order) with our first three picks!


    If we finish something up with Ferguson, the addition of Berrian and development of Rice, Wade, and Allison puts us pretty set at WR.
    Barring injuries, It might be hard for any of our PS guys to break that lineup.

    Backup QB is a pretty important position, so I hope they are taking a good long look at that.
    With all the games TJack missed last year, we need a better option.
    They could surprise us here a bit...might be a higher pick than we think.
    They offered a third for Sage?
    Could be some good prospects available in the third, and they may have the picks to move up.
    Especially if they can pull a little two step like they did last year
    ;D

    The OT need level depends on McKinnie's suspension some.
    We'll need at least part time replacement.
    He just doesn't seem to play full speed all the time.
    Sometimes he looks great, others horrible.
    Maybe he's not fast enough for the scheme they've got him in?
    IMHO it is time to take a look at what his future is for the Vikings.

    Which brings me to Birk...he just hasn't been quite the same since all the operations.
    Maybe, partially, the DTs are bigger these days.
    Sooner or later we'll need a replacement there too.

    Winfield is good, and Griffin, MacCauley and Gordon all seem to be improving.
    We have options at KR/PR.
    CB isn't a calling need to me.
    I could see them going with a combo guy like Reggie Smith though...to cover depth at two positions.

    RB I'm not worried about...there always seems to be a guy out there (see Ryan Grant-Packers), and we already have Tahi and Whitlock as possibilities.
    Could still see a late round value pick.
    Thanks for the great reply.
    As always, above top shelf my friend.
    ;D

    My cut on the whole DE issue is we need some of our young guys (Robison/Edwards) to live up to thier potential and one of them (Erasmus) to get healthy and we should be good at that position.
    Keneche (who I liked) was a solid guy who did his job.
    I hope he beats this and comes back.
    Until then Jayme isn't gonna do it alone.
    We need to really look at a guy in the draft (1rst or 2nd round) that can come in and be a force right away at LDE.

    Excellent point on Sage.
    I never thought of it that way.
    Not sure if they value him that much that they believe a third is worth his services (I do at this point) but the question is, do they think a rookie taken in the 3rd round is of the same value.
    My guess is no on that.
    Again, I believe they will take a guy, just not as early as some want them to.

    On a side note, there are still a few on here who think I'm crazy to believe they would even draft a guy this year.
    Funny how those guys forget that they drafted one last year.
    ;D

    As to Birk.
    He was a bit off last year in his Pass protection.
    My guess he will spend alot of time looking at tape with the rest of the OL and coaches and get it figured out.
    Still mystifies me why he seemed to shift to Hutch and leave the RG alone so much.


    Again, love the post. Thanks for the effort.
    ;D
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    Re: Marrdro's Roster Analysis

    I'm pretty convinced they draft a QB by round 5 or 6 this year...

    I'd write more, but I can't right now!


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    Just a quick weigh in on Birk. I don't worry about the mental mistakes eg. blown line calls/blitz pick ups. He'll fix that.
    He was pushed around at times by some big tackles. But he also had some very good games. The Atlanta game was an all pro type performance. And he had some good downfield/second level work that helped Peterson and Taylor.
    He may not be as dominant as he once was. But he's still pretty good.
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    Re: Marrdro's Roster Analysis

    Gosh, I don't have any organized thoughts, so I guess I'll just have to ramble...

    You need to highlight spot #53 in red (Open Roster Spot)

    Let's see, the guys you have listed as having no roster spot are:

    TE Braden Jones
    TE Garrett Mills
    C Dan Mozes

    That gets your roster down to 53.
    However, I need to remind you that Darrion Scott is a UFA and as such is not under contract to the Vikings.
    With that, you should have a total of eight open roster spots

    1 QB (for a total of 3)
    1 WR (for a total of 5)
    1 RB (for a total of 3)
    1 CB (for a total of 5)
    1 S (for a total of 4)
    1 DT (need to replace Spencer Johnson, for a total of 4)
    2 Other (we already have 5 DEs and 6 LBs)

    If he's healthy, I can see the Vikings re-signing Darrion Scott as a DT/DE, though if he's healthy there might be other teams that want him.

    I can see Ferguson being brought back as well...not that he excited me, but it seems that everyone raved about his blocking, and I think he was second on the team in catches and he is a vet, if nothing else.

    Who knows who the 3rd RB will be?
    You've got to figure young and cheap, maybe a guy that can pick up a blitzer and catch a pass out of the backfield.
    Does Maurice Hicks fit that bill?
    How about Warrick Dunn, or has he lost too many steps and want too much money?

    I think the first round pick is likely going to be a DE, S or CB (and if CB, they perhaps look at working Griffin in at safety some to eventually replace Sharper).
    That Cromartie kid could easily be there at #17, as could Phillips from Miami.
    2nd round could well be a QB if either Brohm or Flacco drops far enough (even if it means the Vikings have to trade their 2nd and 3rd to move up).
    Ideally though, I'd like the Vikings to trade for Jason Taylor to add an impact DE (if only for the next two seasons).

    Hard for me to guess what other draft picks might be worth going after.
    Chase Johnson is a project, would there be someone in the draft in the 2nd or 3rd round worth going after?
    Perhaps a LB if Rufus Alexander doesn't come back at full strength?
    What about another WR in the 1st or 2nd round (especially 2nd)...do you go after a Kelly or Hardy?
    Allison didn't get much of a chance to play last season, could he be an odd man out?




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