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    Re: Marrdro's 2009 Roster Analysis - Position Breakdown

    "mountainviking" wrote:
    Marr, I don't think I like your idea of moving Asomugha to S...he's been one of the best shutdown CBs the past few years.
    Coverage skillz so fierce the opponenet doesn't go near him much.
    At S he wouldn't get to showcase those skillz as much...or am I missing something?
    But, can you imagine him and Griff outside with Winfield in the nickel?
    Pass defense improvement guaranteed!
    But, probably outside of your salary per position range.

    I'm all about getting better play out of our OL.
    Especially in the passing game.
    Without a better option at WR and better blocking it doesn't matter much who our QB is...we'll likely get similar results.

    That is where the big question comes in, of our suspect areas, where are we most likely to have a youngster step up?
    Is Sullivan or Cook ready to start at C?
    Can Radovich or Hicks really improve RT?
    Will Reynaud, Rice, Allison or JJ become a reliable WR?
    Can Madieu stay healthy AND Tyrell replace Sharper?
    Do we have enough depth at DT...what if the Wall gets suspended?
    Will Gordon be back, and ready in the nickel?

    And then there is TJack.
    I think he's got a good shot of earning the starting gig, but would love better competition there anyway!
    Garcia may be an option, but has been dinged up...if that ankle is still hurting, his mobility will be much lower.
    Leftwich is younger, looked good backing up Ben on a similar, run first, with just decent WRs* type of offense, and would likely love a chance for reasonable cash with starting incentives.


    (*Don't get me wrong, Ward is one hell of a WR, but its not like its his speed or leap that scares defenders!
    Holmes is a lot like our young guys, inconsistent, but a year or two ahead.
    While I was big on Nate Washington's prospects, my Steeler buddy out here says he drops Way Too Many and will be glad to see him go!!?
    *)

    I don't really see Hasselbeck or Bulger or McNabb being great options...old, injured, overrated and expensive.
    Besides, Who wants to let a good, proven QB go?
    Nobody.
    I'm not really seeing a good available option, even with a Jared Allen type trade.
    I'd rather see us offer a third for Billy Volek, Tyler Thigpen, or maybe Rosenfels type.
    IF KC goes QB early, Thigpen may be available relatively cheap and would come in with at least an introduction to our offense already in place!


    I'm betting we're going to see a VERY CRAZY OFFSEASON!!!
    With 2 two year head coaches in the superbowl, we're going to see a lot of teams thinking they are that one or two moves away.
    We've already seen a bit of the "what have you done for me lately?" in the massive HC turnover this year.
    11?
    That is over a third!!
    These new HC will have new schemes and will want new guys.
    The success of ATL and CAR with their double first round picks will be noted also.
    I know, we thought the prices were ridiculous last season, watch it get wierder now!!!!!

    Great post!

    Yes, I do believe we are a few moves away from being a powerful contender and this article by you really was well written and inforamtive...and I agree with you with lots of it.

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    Re: Marrdro's 2009 Roster Analysis - Position Breakdown

    "Mr" wrote:

    I have a problem with that list in this debate.

    All of those guys were depth/training camp pickups. You're responding to a post about bringing in a starting quarterback.


    And if we're gonna try to trade for a QB we better push damn hard for Carson Palmer. He's head and shoulders above everyone else we're potentially "linked" to.

    I give this a generous 15% chance of happening, and that 15% comes from his injury.

    +1

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    Re: Marrdro's 2009 Roster Analysis - Position Breakdown

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:

    I have a problem with that list in this debate.

    All of those guys were depth/training camp pickups. You're responding to a post about bringing in a starting quarterback.


    And if we're gonna try to trade for a QB we better push damn hard for Carson Palmer. He's head and shoulders above everyone else we're potentially "linked" to.

    I give this a generous 15% chance of happening, and that 15% comes from his injury.

    +1
    Didn't Palmer lose every game he played in 2008?

    Wasn't Palmer benched in favor of Fitzpatrick after those 4 loses?

    Wasn't Palmer's 2008 completion % only 58.1 with an avg. of only 5.7 yards per pass?

    Wasn't his longest pass in 2008 a mere 36 yards?

    Didn't Palmer only throw 3 TD's, but threw 4 INT's in 2008?

    Wasn't he very inconsistent in 2008 & finish with a QB rating of only 69.0?

    Wasn't he sacked 11 times in his 4 games in 2008?

    How is Palmer a better option than Jackson when he's been playing like that?

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    Re: Marrdro's 2009 Roster Analysis - Position Breakdown

    "singersp" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:

    I have a problem with that list in this debate.

    All of those guys were depth/training camp pickups. You're responding to a post about bringing in a starting quarterback.


    And if we're gonna try to trade for a QB we better push damn hard for Carson Palmer. He's head and shoulders above everyone else we're potentially "linked" to.

    I give this a generous 15% chance of happening, and that 15% comes from his injury.

    +1
    Didn't Palmer lose every game he played in 2008?

    Wasn't Palmer benched in favor of Fitzpatrick after those 4 loses?

    Wasn't Palmer's 2008 completion % only 58.1 with an avg. of only 5.7 yards per pass?

    Wasn't his longest pass in 2008 a mere 36 yards?

    Didn't Palmer only throw 3 TD's, but threw 4 INT's in 2008?

    Wasn't he very inconsistent in 2008 & finish with a QB rating of only 69.0?

    Wasn't he sacked 11 times in his 4 games in 2008?

    How is Palmer a better option than Jackson when he's been playing like that?
    imo

    palmer >jackson

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    Re: Marrdro's 2009 Roster Analysis - Position Breakdown

    Great list Marrdo!

    One thing. People that think we dont need a vet QB, even like Palmer, are wrong IMO. They didnt have AD. They didnt get to play with 8-9 guys stacking the box.

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    Re: Marrdro's 2009 Roster Analysis - Position Breakdown

    "singersp" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:

    I have a problem with that list in this debate.

    All of those guys were depth/training camp pickups. You're responding to a post about bringing in a starting quarterback.


    And if we're gonna try to trade for a QB we better push gol 'darnit hard for Carson Palmer. He's head and shoulders above everyone else we're potentially "linked" to.

    I give this a generous 15% chance of happening, and that 15% comes from his injury.

    +1
    Didn't Palmer lose every game he played in 2008?

    Wasn't Palmer benched in favor of Fitzpatrick after those 4 loses?

    Wasn't Palmer's 2008 completion % only 58.1 with an avg. of only 5.7 yards per pass?

    Wasn't his longest pass in 2008 a mere 36 yards?

    Didn't Palmer only throw 3 TD's, but threw 4 INT's in 2008?

    Wasn't he very inconsistent in 2008 & finish with a QB rating of only 69.0?

    Wasn't he sacked 11 times in his 4 games in 2008?

    How is Palmer a better option than Jackson when he's been playing like that?
    NO palmer was injured... he was not benched for Fitz!!...

    and what the hell make ppl think that Palmer is available anyway... I haven't heard anything about him being available... let those rumors die right now!!!

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    Re: Marrdro's 2009 Roster Analysis - Position Breakdown

    "singersp" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "Mr" wrote:

    I have a problem with that list in this debate.

    All of those guys were depth/training camp pickups. You're responding to a post about bringing in a starting quarterback.


    And if we're gonna try to trade for a QB we better push damn hard for Carson Palmer. He's head and shoulders above everyone else we're potentially "linked" to.

    I give this a generous 15% chance of happening, and that 15% comes from his injury.

    +1
    Didn't Palmer lose every game he played in 2008?

    Wasn't Palmer benched in favor of Fitzpatrick after those 4 loses?

    Wasn't Palmer's 2008 completion % only 58.1 with an avg. of only 5.7 yards per pass?

    Wasn't his longest pass in 2008 a mere 36 yards?

    Didn't Palmer only throw 3 TD's, but threw 4 INT's in 2008?

    Wasn't he very inconsistent in 2008 & finish with a QB rating of only 69.0?

    Wasn't he sacked 11 times in his 4 games in 2008?

    How is Palmer a better option than Jackson when he's been playing like that?
    So are you saying the Bengals would have won those games with Jackson under center?

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    Re: Marrdro's 2009 Roster Analysis - Position Breakdown

    "mountainviking" wrote:
    Marr, I don't think I like your idea of moving Asomugha to S...he's been one of the best shutdown CBs the past few years.
    Coverage skillz so fierce the opponenet doesn't go near him much.
    At S he wouldn't get to showcase those skillz as much...or am I missing something?
    But, can you imagine him and Griff outside with Winfield in the nickel?
    Pass defense improvement guaranteed!
    But, probably outside of your salary per position range.

    I'm all about getting better play out of our OL.
    Especially in the passing game.
    Without a better option at WR and better blocking it doesn't matter much who our QB is...we'll likely get similar results.

    That is where the big question comes in, of our suspect areas, where are we most likely to have a youngster step up?
    Is Sullivan or Cook ready to start at C?
    Can Radovich or Hicks really improve RT?
    Will Reynaud, Rice, Allison or JJ become a reliable WR?
    Can Madieu stay healthy AND Tyrell replace Sharper?
    Do we have enough depth at DT...what if the Wall gets suspended?
    Will Gordon be back, and ready in the nickel?

    And then there is TJack.
    I think he's got a good shot of earning the starting gig, but would love better competition there anyway!
    Garcia may be an option, but has been dinged up...if that ankle is still hurting, his mobility will be much lower.
    Leftwich is younger, looked good backing up Ben on a similar, run first, with just decent WRs* type of offense, and would likely love a chance for reasonable cash with starting incentives.


    (*Don't get me wrong, Ward is one hell of a WR, but its not like its his speed or leap that scares defenders!
    Holmes is a lot like our young guys, inconsistent, but a year or two ahead.
    While I was big on Nate Washington's prospects, my Steeler buddy out here says he drops Way Too Many and will be glad to see him go!!?
    *)

    I don't really see Hasselbeck or Bulger or McNabb being great options...old, injured, overrated and expensive.
    Besides, Who wants to let a good, proven QB go?
    Nobody.
    I'm not really seeing a good available option, even with a Jared Allen type trade.
    I'd rather see us offer a third for Billy Volek, Tyler Thigpen, or maybe Rosenfels type.
    IF KC goes QB early, Thigpen may be available relatively cheap and would come in with at least an introduction to our offense already in place!


    I'm betting we're going to see a VERY CRAZY OFFSEASON!!!
    With 2 two year head coaches in the superbowl, we're going to see a lot of teams thinking they are that one or two moves away.
    We've already seen a bit of the "what have you done for me lately?" in the massive HC turnover this year.
    11?
    That is over a third!!
    These new HC will have new schemes and will want new guys.
    The success of ATL and CAR with their double first round picks will be noted also.
    I know, we thought the prices were ridiculous last season, watch it get wierder now!!!!!

    Sorry I didn't respond my friend.
    Been a bit busy......

    I will try to get my list updated when I quite with this damn work at work...... ;D

    By the way.....Just say no to Leftwich.
    His deliver is way to slow for our offense.
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    Re: Marrdro's 2009 Roster Analysis - Position Breakdown (Pre Draft Update)

    Thought I would get a update out to this in preparation for my mock draft.....

    Because the staff has held true to is montra of “Resign Key Vets”, “Build through the Draft” and “Be Selective in FA to Fix Holes”, we are approaching the next phase of the off-season (the Draft), with a roster does not have a lot of glaring holes, that is populated by a proven starter along with quality backups behind them at almost every position, with the exception of Center, Safety and depending on how you count TE/FB/H-backs, Full Back.

    It appears that at least with the C and S positions have a young talented player as the heir apparent as the staff has made no attempt to sign a veteran to those positions and one could argue that someone like Mills or Dugan could fill the other FB roster position.


    For the second time in as many years, most of the reputable analysts again have us as the favorite to win the NFC North as well as set to make a playoff run if we can get consistent play from our QB position.
    Heck there are even a few of them, again, using the term “Superbowl Contender” and our team once again this year.

    Funny how most fans are upset by that.
    I know I, as with last year, am not buying into all that hype as most of us who have followed the game know how hard it is to get to that level.


    I am happy to say that it has been a very long time since our beloved Vikings were this loaded with talent.
    Lets hope that our OL will pass protect better and our QB’s will finally play consistent enough to see our passing game play a significant part of our offense again.

    Having said all of that, here is my current roster break down going into the draft.
    Some things of note:

    Current number on roster
    63 Currently on the roster
    19 short of 80 man roster
    6 Drafted Rookies
    13 Roster spots to be filled via Undrafted FA or Unrestricted FA

    Open Roster Spots (Based on the numbers historically carried by this staff)
    RB – Short one
    FB – Short one (could count one of the TE’s as a FB/H-back)

    Draft picks this year:


    1.23, 2.23, 3.23, 4 (None – Sage Rosenfels) 5.23, 6 (None - Holcomb),
    7.12 (from WAS), 7.23

    Players added/Resigned
    Albert Young, RB
    Naugahu Tahi, FB
    Glenn Holt, WR
    Jaymar Johnson, WR
    Jim Kleinsasser, TE
    Brian Daniels, OL
    Otis Grigsby, DE
    Jimmy Kennedy, DT
    Heath Farwell, LB
    Kenny Onatolu, LB
    Charles Gordon, CB
    Karl Paymah, CB
    Derrick Roberson, CB
    Benny Sapp, CB
    Marcus Walker, CB
    Roderick Rogers, S
    Jayme Mitchell, DE
    Fred Evans, DT

    Positions of concern
    DT – Carry 4 on 53 man roster only 4 currently on the roster.
    Anticipate at least 2 additional DTs to be brought in for rotation/camp bodies.
    C – Currently no C is designated as starter however, starting role could be filled by Sullivan.
    Depth at OL – Right and Left tackle struggle in pass protection with speedier edge rushers.
    S – Although there is no starter designated, the starter role could be filled by STJ.
    RT – Last years starter is still on the roster.

    Current Position Breakdown/Manning

    (First number is number currently on the roster. Second number is number historically carried by the current staff)

    Quarterbacks (3–3)

    Tarvaris Jackson QB (Starter/Backup)
    Sage Rosenfels QB (Starter/Backup)
    John David Booty QB (Backup)

    Running Backs (3-4)

    Adrian Peterson RB (Starter)
    Chester Taylor RB (Backup)
    Albert Young RB (PS)

    Full Backs (1-2)

    Naufahu Tahi FB (Starter)

    Tight Ends (4-3)

    Visanthe Shiancoe
    Jimmy Kleinsasser
    Garrett Mills
    Jeff Dugan

    Wide Receivers (7-5)

    Bernard Berrian WR (Starter)
    Sidney Rice WR (Starter)
    Bobby Wade WR (Starter/Backup)
    Glenn Holt (Backup)
    Aundrae Allison WR (Backup)
    Darius Reynaud WR (PS)
    Jaymar Johnson WR (PS)

    Offensive Linemen (9-8)

    Bryant McKinnie T (Starter)
    Steve Hutchinson G (Starter













    C (No starter Idenfified)
    Anthony Herrera G (Starter)
    Ryan Cook T (Starter)
    - Questionable starter
    Artis Hicks T/G (Backup/Starter)
    John Sullivan C/G (Backup) – Possible Starter at Center
    Brian Daniels G (PS)
    Chris Clark T (PS)
    Drew Radovich T (I/R)


    Defensive Lineman (12-15) (DT 5-4/DE 7-6)

    Jared Allen DE (Starter)
    Ray Edwards DE (Starter)
    Brian Robison DE (Backup)
    Otis Grigsby DE (Backup)
    Kenechi Udeze DE (NFIR)
    Martail Burnett DE (PS)
    Jayme Mitchell (Backup)

    Kevin Williams DT (Starter)
    Pat Williams DT (Starter)
    Fred Evans (Backup)
    Letroy Guion DT (Backup)
    Jimmy Kennedy DT (Backup)


    Linebackers (7-6)

    E. J. Henderson ILB (Starter/I/R)
    Chad Greenway OLB (Starter)
    Ben Leber OLB (Starter)
    Erin Henderson OLB (Backup)
    David Herron ILB (Backup)
    Kenny Onatolu OLB (PS)
    Heath Farwell OLB (Backup)

    Defensive Backs (10-13)(S 5-5) (CB 8-5)

    Antoine Winfield CB (Starter)
    Cedric Griffin CB (Starter)
    Benny Sapp CB (Backup)
    Marcus McCauley CB (Backup)
    Marcus Walker CB (Backup)
    Charles Gordon CB (Backup/I/R)
    Derrick Roberson (CB) (Backup)
    Karl Paymah (CB) (Backup)

    Madieu Williams S (Starter)












    S (No Starter Identified)
    Tyrell Johnson S (Backup) Could be starter next to M-will
    Abdullah Husain S (Backup)
    Eric Frampton SS (Backup)
    Roderick Rogers S (Backup)

    Special Teams (4-3)
    Chris Kluwe P
    Cullen Loeffler LS
    Ryan Longwell K
    Taylor Mehlhaff K

    Based on all of that, if the staff doesn’t elect to address the S, C, WR, DT or RT positions with a UFA Vet, I anticipate the staff will select the following roster positions in the draft:

    Top 3 Picks
    DT
    OL (Cat who can play at least LT but could also play RT)
    WR

    Bottom 3 Picks
    RB
    FB
    QB

    With a mix of the following types of players being brought in as undrafted FA’s.

    RB
    FB
    LB
    WR
    OL
    OL

    During the OTA’s and follow-on mini-camps I assume some will be released and some will be added but again, let me stress that for the first time in a long time we have a lot of flexibility with respect to what can be done here.

    I am still concerned about the lack of DT’s on this roster followed directly by lack of effort to upgrade the talent at C and RT but I trust the staff will do what they feel is best to make sure this team is ready to go into camp and the follow-on season even if it doesn’t make any gol 'darnit sense to this yutz.

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    Re: Marrdro's 2009 Roster Analysis - Position Breakdown (Pre Draft Update)

    Good stuff, thanks for the update Marrdro.

    One thing I noticed, I think you're
    blue numbers are backwards.

    What do you think about the Winfield situation? If we can't get a deal done by the draft do you think we pick up a corner in the early rounds?

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