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    Re: A learning experience as Allen and McKinnie go head-to-head

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    Thanks for the read my friend, however, on this one I gotta get on a soapbox a bit.

    If Big Mac still thinks he has alot to learn, then we need to get rid of his ass as soon as possible.


    I can understand a few tweaks here and there on his technique against a guy of JA's caliber, but damn, he should already be there.

    As I've stated before, we have seen the best we are gonna get out of Big Mac and it isn't enough with respect to pass protection.
    Time to start looking at a replacement plan in a year or two so we don't have to keep a TE in there to help him all the time.

    On a side note, it will be interesting to watch how much help Cook needs this year.

    Might be saying the same about him at the end of the year, but judging by the way he progressed last year I doubt that.

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    Re: A learning experience as Allen and McKinnie go head-to-head

    I don't see how any harm can come of this.
    I'm just happy to hear that they are communicating with each other and trying to pick up new skills.

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    Re: A learning experience as Allen and McKinnie go head-to-head

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Thanks for the read my friend, however, on this one I gotta get on a soapbox a bit.

    If Big Mac still thinks he has alot to learn, then we need to get rid of his ass as soon as possible.


    I can understand a few tweaks here and there on his technique against a guy of JA's caliber, but damn, he should already be there.

    As I've stated before, we have seen the best we are gonna get out of Big Mac and it isn't enough with respect to pass protection.
    Time to start looking at a replacement plan in a year or two so we don't have to keep a TE in there to help him all the time.

    On a side note, it will be interesting to watch how much help Cook needs this year.

    Might be saying the same about him at the end of the year, but judging by the way he progressed last year I doubt that.

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    So you throw fits during the offseason about how our LT needs to improve in pass protection, and then when the LT himself admits that he needs to improve in pass protection, you get angry at him and say he has hit a wall in his development? Shame on You! You should be happy that McKinnie is willing to admit his faults and work to improve them.

    I find VikingsTw's stance much better:

    I've been very critical of Bryant McKinnie but from what I have read and heard McKinnie has headed himself in the right direction and he's destined for the season of his life. I think he's been able to take things serious and the last incident has opened his eyes so to speak. In the event that McKinnie is suspended I expect him back especailly for the remainder of this season.

    This is one of few things that Jared Allen brings to table not only is he a great football player but a great character willing to help out others and make them better. Jared Allen is exactly what McKinnie needs because regardless of actuall game time or pratice he's going to bring it 100% and thats what McKinnie needs to do. Jared Allen possesses the type of speed that McKinnie struggles with and he's able to understand that and work with Allen to make himself better. I love the fact that our LT gets to compete with one of the best DE's in the game.
    Bravo!
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    Re: A learning experience as Allen and McKinnie go head-to-head

    I find it somewhat ironic that some guys here (you know who you are) will call people out on being TJ haters, or Chilly haters, yet, will take any opportunity to bash McKinney, Birk or Sharper.

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    Re: A learning experience as Allen and McKinnie go head-to-head

    "i_bleed_purple" wrote:
    I find it somewhat ironic that some guys here (you know who you are) will call people out on being TJ haters, or Chilly haters, yet, will take any opportunity to bash McKinney, Birk or Sharper.
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    Re: A learning experience as Allen and McKinnie go head-to-head

    "Prophet" wrote:
    I was thinking about this since the signing, it can do nothing but good for McKinnie.
    Unless they go to a strip club together and Allen gets wasted while McKinnie beats the snot out of someone sitting in sniffers row with a pole.
    Perfect response. lmao!

    I have been critical of McKinnies slow feet in the past. That's not likely to change.
    We wouldn't been as likely to go after Allen if he hadn't schooled McKinnie last year.
    Allen will win that match up more often than most.

    I actually think McKinnie does a pretty good job in general. Just not great.
    He's a road grader in our zone blocking rushing attack. And he really only needs help from the tight end against the speed rushers.
    Cook had far more tight end help last year.He needed it.
    It is said that Cook is improving and I would agree. But he has a ways to go to be the equal of McKinnie.

    Disclaimer: I'm not really satisfied with either tackle. Hopefully the line will improve as a unit.
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    Re: A learning experience as Allen and McKinnie go head-to-head

    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    I was thinking about this since the signing, it can do nothing but good for McKinnie.
    Unless they go to a strip club together and Allen gets wasted while McKinnie beats the snot out of someone sitting in sniffers row with a pole.
    Perfect response. lmao!

    I have been critical of McKinnies slow feet in the past. That's not likely to change.
    We wouldn't been as likely to go after Allen if he hadn't schooled McKinnie last year.
    Allen will win that match up more often than most.

    I actually think McKinnie does a pretty good job in general. Just not great.
    He's a road grader in our zone blocking rushing attack. And he really only needs help from the tight end against the speed rushers.
    Cook had far more tight end help last year.He needed it.
    It is said that Cook is improving and I would agree. But he has a ways to go to be the equal of McKinnie.

    Disclaimer: I'm not really satisfied with either tackle. Hopefully the line will improve as a unit.
    Oh Come on, yeah he was great against Minny, but give me a break. That might have made you recognize Allen as great, but the FO and scouts...I have a funny feeling that they looked as Allen's performance thorughout the whole season as opposed to one game.

    Of course, you could be suggesting that his dominant performance against a great LT showed that he could play with the best, but your disclaimer disproves that, doesn't it?

    By the way, why is a disclaimer needed on a message board? Are we now allowed to sue each other for being wrong?
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    Re: A learning experience as Allen and McKinnie go head-to-head

    Well, when we drafted him I was very excited. I have been a canes fan for a few decades and this to me was a great signing and I was sooooo glad to see anybody but Steussie at the RT position. And I was happy with him until the coaching change. I feel he has underperformed ever since his big contract extension and if he doesn't show any improvement this year I will gladly see him go, but I would much rather see him become a solid and productive part of a great line that takes us to the SB.

    So for now and until the games begin I am going to go the route of giving the players and coaches the benefit of the doubt and pray that this turns out to be the best year ever.

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    Re: A learning experience as Allen and McKinnie go head-to-head

    "V" wrote:
    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    I was thinking about this since the signing, it can do nothing but good for McKinnie.
    Unless they go to a strip club together and Allen gets wasted while McKinnie beats the snot out of someone sitting in sniffers row with a pole.
    Perfect response. lmao!

    I have been critical of McKinnies slow feet in the past. That's not likely to change.
    We wouldn't been as likely to go after Allen if he hadn't schooled McKinnie last year.
    Allen will win that match up more often than most.

    I actually think McKinnie does a pretty good job in general. Just not great.
    He's a road grader in our zone blocking rushing attack. And he really only needs help from the tight end against the speed rushers.
    Cook had far more tight end help last year.He needed it.
    It is said that Cook is improving and I would agree. But he has a ways to go to be the equal of McKinnie.

    Disclaimer: I'm not really satisfied with either tackle. Hopefully the line will improve as a unit.
    Oh Come on, yeah he was great against Minny, but give me a break. That might have made you recognize Allen as great, but the FO and scouts...I have a funny feeling that they looked as Allen's performance thorughout the whole season as opposed to one game.

    Of course, you could be suggesting that his dominant performance against a great LT showed that he could play with the best, but your disclaimer disproves that, doesn't it?

    By the way, why is a disclaimer needed on a message board? Are we now allowed to sue each other for being wrong?
    OK genius. Perhaps I should have said that performance caught their attention. How stupid would it be to base your entire opinion of a player on one game. I shouldn't have to state the implied information that virtually any average dolt would consider common knowledge.eg. the Vikings don't base their opinions on reding tea leaves.
    Perhaps for you I will spell everything out in my future posts.

    I can feel McKinnie does 'a pretty good job in general' and still not be satisfied with his overall performance.

    As to your allowed to sue/disclaimer statement, It's obvious you missed the point.

    The point is, I was supporting McKinnie against the previous posters negative viewpoints yet still have my own reservations.

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    Re: A learning experience as Allen and McKinnie go head-to-head

    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "Prophet" wrote:
    I was thinking about this since the signing, it can do nothing but good for McKinnie.
    Unless they go to a strip club together and Allen gets wasted while McKinnie beats the snot out of someone sitting in sniffers row with a pole.
    Perfect response. lmao!

    I have been critical of McKinnies slow feet in the past. That's not likely to change.
    We wouldn't been as likely to go after Allen if he hadn't schooled McKinnie last year.
    Allen will win that match up more often than most.

    I actually think McKinnie does a pretty good job in general. Just not great.
    He's a road grader in our zone blocking rushing attack. And he really only needs help from the tight end against the speed rushers.
    Cook had far more tight end help last year.He needed it.
    It is said that Cook is improving and I would agree. But he has a ways to go to be the equal of McKinnie.

    Disclaimer: I'm not really satisfied with either tackle. Hopefully the line will improve as a unit.
    Oh Come on, yeah he was great against Minny, but give me a break. That might have made you recognize Allen as great, but the FO and scouts...I have a funny feeling that they looked as Allen's performance thorughout the whole season as opposed to one game.

    Of course, you could be suggesting that his dominant performance against a great LT showed that he could play with the best, but your disclaimer disproves that, doesn't it?

    By the way, why is a disclaimer needed on a message board? Are we now allowed to sue each other for being wrong?
    OK genius. Perhaps I should have said that performance caught their attention. How stupid would it be to base your entire opinion of a player on one game. I shouldn't have to state the implied information that virtually any average dolt would consider common knowledge.eg. the Vikings don't base their opinions on reding tea leaves.
    Perhaps for you I will spell everything out in my future posts.

    I can feel McKinnie does 'a pretty good job in general' and still not be satisfied with his overall performance.

    As to your allowed to sue/disclaimer statement, It's obvious you missed the point.

    The point is, I was supporting McKinnie against the previous posters negative viewpoints yet still have my own reservations.

    I guess I should have realized you're smarter than the average bear. However, still seems you don't appreciate my humor.
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    Thanks Josdin!

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