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    Re: Kolb - Philly or not, I want to start

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    I was not that impressed by Kolb this year. There was a reason he lost his job to Michael Vick. I think he would be a viable option but definitely not worth all that we would have to give up for him. If there is one thing we can learn from the Packers this year is that draft picks are crucial. I don't think that we should look at any quarterback thats going to need us to give up picks for. I would like to have Kolb or Orton but both come with heavy price tags and we need all the draft picks we can get at this point. If we trade down and pick up more picks than obviously that could change my opinion but for now it looks like our best option from a veteran standpoint is going to be VY when he gets released. Don't have to give up draft picks and can probably sign him to an incentive driven contract to make sure we don't invest too much in a big question quarterback. But in my opinion, DRAFT DRAFT DRAFT. Offensive line, safety, quarterback.
    Uh ... He lost his job to Vick because of a concussion, not poor play. He didn't get it back because Vick played out of his mind.

    Also ... Most do not have Orton costing all that much to go get.

    uuuh... Usually the starting quarterback retakes his job when he comes back from injury regardless of how well the back up is playing... There is a reason why they have a depth chart and different strings. If Kolb were an elite passer he would of never had to worry about his job being taken away. He did not play that well last year from what I remember (which isn't saying a lot)but I do know he threw a lot of interceptions. He's not worth the price tag. And i can't imagine we get Orton for anything less than a 2nd rounder so I don't know who "Most" is but 2nd round pick is more important than Orton in my opinion.
    Not that hard to Google what people think it will take to get Orton. Most analysts feel a third rounder would almost surely get him.

    Of course ... we have to remember, that without a CBA no trades will be happening involving picks for players. Those would happen after a CBA, which if after the Draft would be next year's picks.

    Kolb did not play bad or good really last year ... pretty middle of the road. But I was pointing out the reason he lost his job was injury and the ridiculousness of Michael Vick. Outside of about 5 or 6 guys, ANYONE would have lost their job to Vick last season, so holding that against Kolb is ridiculous.

    I still would not give up our No. 12 for Kolb ... but I certainly would give up No. 43. That likely would not get him. But right now he is likely more NFL ready than any quarterback in the draft.
    I understand your perspective and your right about Vick playing ridiculous and getting the job that way for the most part. But from what I remember Kolb started after he came back from injury and then lost his job again so I think that helps prove my point that it wasn't all Vick and Kolb's production was not as high as people thought it would be.

    As far as using a second round pick for Kolb, I think we should hang onto it and see what we can get in the draft. Especially if there are other quarterbacks that are free agents that we wouldn't have to give up anything for. VY I think is are all around best option to fill the need for a veteran quarterback and still keep our draft picks. Quarterback isn't are only hole to fill and if we want to get back to the top and become a powerhouse I think it all starts with drafting solid players whether that be quarterback or other. BPA for sure!!!!
    Kolb did not start when he came back from injury ... Vick kept the job.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81ab9f7a/article/reid-switches-gears-picks-vick-over-kolb-as-eagles-qb

    Kolb went back in when Vick got hurt, but after going down in Game 1 was not named the starter again.

    My point is ... if we are drafting a QB anyways, which by all accounts we will in the first or second round ... then trading that pick for a QB does not seem to be all that different. The current thought from the beat reporters that cover the Vikings daily is we will draft a QB and go get a veteran like VY. Not just one or the other.

    So, if the staff feels that Kolb is better than who they are going to draft at No. 12 or No. 43, then they should trade that pick for him, if they in fact were going to take a QB anyways.

    There is no difference in "building through the draft" by taking a QB at No. 12 or by trading No. 12 for a QB. Both options cost us one pick and get us a QB.

    Don't get me wrong though ... I would prefer we not trade the No. 12 pick for Kolb, but I would have no problem at all with trading No. 43 for Kolb over taking a Jake Locker type.


    A very smart analyst and well said... couldn't say it any better and I completely agree +1
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    I'd take orton and draft a young one to learn our system .... my 2 cents.

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    Re: Kolb - Philly or not, I want to start

    Kolb played less than one half of football this year before losing his job to Vick. When Vick took over, he was playing very inspired football, and Kolb was never given the opportunity to reclaim his starting position. When Vick suffered the torn cartilidge in his chest, Kolb was able to start for 3 games and won the NFC player of the week in 2 of those games. He also had 2 starts in 2009 when McNabb injured his back. Kolb again won NFC player of the week in one of those games. In other words, this guy has won NFC player of the week in 3 of his 5 starts. Unfortunately for him, The Eagles have one of the most atrocious offensive lines in the game, which means that Vick is needed behind center because while Kolb is still mobile (not a runner, but mobile) , he doesnt have near the elusiveness that Vick provides and therefore can cover up alot of deficiencies in that offensive line. Kolb was taken with the 35th overall pick and has been developed by Philadelphia as well. They are not going to let go of this investment easily. He is under contract for this year at a mere 1.4 million dollars too. So they can have a viable back-up for Vick considering he has a reckless style of play. T^he Eagles would not have made the playoffs this year if they did not have Kolb filling in for Vicks injury games. Kolb provides Philadelphia with alot of depth at a necessary position and at a very reasonable price. They also understand the trade value of a QB that is young, seasoned and has shown success and is signed at rock bottom price. Whoever gets Kolb if he is traded is getting a starting QB at rockbottom price which means there is alot of money to spend to give him a quality supporting cast. ie: signing sydney rice, and upgrading the offensive line as well as keeping Greenway and other that are free agents on the defensive side of the ball. Kolb provides a QB with ties to Leslie Frazier as well and a level of comfort between the 2. If the Vikings pass on Kolb, and Philly still trades him, we are going to be asking ourselves around week 10 why we didnt persue him harder, because he is going to be successful with somebody this year if he is traded. Otherwise, he will be a very worthy number 2 in Philly at a very reasonable price even for a #2 . His contract is a very strong selling point to any team looking for a starting QB. The Bears gave up 2 first round picks and a third round pick and another starting QB for a young seasoned QB that came with a huge price tag on his contract and alot of doubt that he would ever 'get it" as far as the mental aspect of the game. Cutler threw more than 20int's the year before the Bears traded for him. Kolb wont demand that kind of trade package, but Philly isnt trading a guy that they took with the 35th overall pick and spent 3 years grooming and has shown plenty of success for anything less than a first and a third. He is more valuable to them on their bench considering Vick's reckless style of play. We need to understand that there is more than just our side of this trade, and that Philly isnt about to just let this guy go for peanuts.
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    It has also been said that Arizona is looking for a veteran and when the GM asked for Fitzgerald's advice on what to do with the quarterback situation he said Kolb would be nice. Just saying we're wouldn't be the only team pursuing him.
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    Re: Kolb - Philly or not, I want to start

    Quote Originally Posted by "vikinghubbard" #1089124
    Kolb played less than one half of football this year before losing his job to Vick. When Vick took over, he was playing very inspired football, and Kolb was never given the opportunity to reclaim his starting position. When Vick suffered the torn cartilidge in his chest, Kolb was able to start for 3 games and won the NFC player of the week in 2 of those games. He also had 2 starts in 2009 when McNabb injured his back. Kolb again won NFC player of the week in one of those games. In other words, this guy has won NFC player of the week in 3 of his 5 starts. Unfortunately for him, The Eagles have one of the most atrocious offensive lines in the game, which means that Vick is needed behind center because while Kolb is still mobile (not a runner, but mobile) , he doesnt have near the elusiveness that Vick provides and therefore can cover up alot of deficiencies in that offensive line. Kolb was taken with the 35th overall pick and has been developed by Philadelphia as well. They are not going to let go of this investment easily. He is under contract for this year at a mere 1.4 million dollars too. So they can have a viable back-up for Vick considering he has a reckless style of play. T^he Eagles would not have made the playoffs this year if they did not have Kolb filling in for Vicks injury games. Kolb provides Philadelphia with alot of depth at a necessary position and at a very reasonable price. They also understand the trade value of a QB that is young, seasoned and has shown success and is signed at rock bottom price. Whoever gets Kolb if he is traded is getting a starting QB at rockbottom price which means there is alot of money to spend to give him a quality supporting cast. ie: signing sydney rice, and upgrading the offensive line as well as keeping Greenway and other that are free agents on the defensive side of the ball. Kolb provides a QB with ties to Leslie Frazier as well and a level of comfort between the 2. If the Vikings pass on Kolb, and Philly still trades him, we are going to be asking ourselves around week 10 why we didnt persue him harder, because he is going to be successful with somebody this year if he is traded. Otherwise, he will be a very worthy number 2 in Philly at a very reasonable price even for a #2 . His contract is a very strong selling point to any team looking for a starting QB. The Bears gave up 2 first round picks and a third round pick and another starting QB for a young seasoned QB that came with a huge price tag on his contract and alot of doubt that he would ever 'get it" as far as the mental aspect of the game. Cutler threw more than 20int's the year before the Bears traded for him. Kolb wont demand that kind of trade package, but Philly isnt trading a guy that they took with the 35th overall pick and spent 3 years grooming and has shown plenty of success for anything less than a first and a third. He is more valuable to them on their bench considering Vick's reckless style of play. We need to understand that there is more than just our side of this trade, and that Philly isnt about to just let this guy go for peanuts.
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    Edit: A few errors to point out ...
    Kolb has only been named player of the week TWICE ... and it is in SEVEN starts.
    Kolb was the 36th pick.
    Kolb went 2-3 this season as a starter, not really backing your claim that they made the playoffs because of him filling in.
    Cutler only threw 18 INTs the year before the Bears traded for him.

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    Kob may have only been named NFC player of the week twice, I may have goofed on that. However, he only had 2 starts in 09' and this year, I am referring to the games he started and finished. The first game of the season he only played a little over a quarter. He really only had 3 starts where he started and finished the game. He was 2-1 and would have been 3-0 if the defense had not given up 200 yards recieving to Kenny Britt in the 4th quarter alone and his RB didnt fumble the ball on thje 1 yard line as they were going in for the clinching score. I am not picking at you here, I am just saying, look at the games he started and finished. Likewise, he is the only QB in the history of the league to have over 300 yards passing in all of the first 3 games he has started. The guy is pretty good and when I look at how atrocious their Offensive line is and the lack of a running game, that says alot about the kid. They obviously put the game on his shoulders to win it in those first few starts. and he showed he was capable. Aaron rogers went 6-10 in his first full season as a starter and look at him now. Kolb seems to be mentally tough and also seems to be able to know when to take what a defense is giving him. If they are playing him deep as most defenses do to the Eagles because of their speed on the outside, I have noticed he is willing to take the check down until the defense starts to cheat up to the line, and then he will beat them deep. I am just saying, Between Arizona, Carolina, and the 49ers all talking about making a move for him, we might regret it if we arent willing to spend for a good young QB.
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    I guess you could also consider his start against Dallas the game of the year a "real" start if you want, but the Eagles chose not to start a single one of their regular skill guys and sat most of the O-line and most of the defense as well. They had the playoff spot locked up and after we beat them the week before, they had nothing to gain by risking injury to any of their skill guys like Desean Jackson, Maclin, McCoy, Celek, etc..... So personally, I dont really count that as an objective look at his skills. He was put into a tough position there and nobody on the team was all that concerned with winning that game.
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