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    Kevon's Dream FA Moves/Roster

    Hey Guys,
    I would loike your opinions on what I think would be a fantastic final roster for the Vikes.

    QB:3
    Ponder
    Leinhart
    Webb

    I know many people will laude a roster with Leinhart at Qb, but he can be had for cheap and he is entering his 6th season. He also looked ok his last season in Arizona but was cut due the amoutn of money he was making and not throwing the deep ball. I think this issue can be remedeied with a strong running game and Rice (Fitz lite)

    RB:3
    Peterson
    Jerious Norwood
    Booker

    I know you are thinking...No Gerhert? I would like to have him moved to FB. He wills till get tons of snaps but His inclusion on the field, now won't remove peterson. Norwood is a speedster that can add a much needed jolt. He is an inside runner and is coming off a torn ACl that happened early last season. I expect that he should be at full strenght at the start of the season.

    FB: 2
    Gerhart
    Sauce

    Moving Sauce back to FB allows our 2nd round pick to get snaps at TE2... where he is a threat. This allows us to move Gerhert back in a Single back offense and motion a TE to the FB position and run I. A 3 TE formation will add a lot of running oomph while still being flexible to pass from.


    WR: 6
    Rice
    Harvin
    Lance Moore
    Camirillo
    Stephen Burton
    Hank Baskett

    Moore is a WR that is used to being a back up and then being thrust into a starting role. With Rice and Harvin weekly question marks...We will need a starter.

    TE: 3
    Shank
    Kyle Rudolph
    Dugan

    OL: 11
    Mac, Hutch, Cook
    Justin Blalock
    Load

    Sully, Brown, DeGeare, Fusco, Welch, Herrera

    DL: 8
    Allen, Williams, Kenndey, Ballard
    Awasom,Griffen, Guion, Robison,

    We save a space on DT's by having Ballard, Kick in on passing plays and Robinson jumping out to DE.

    LB: 7
    Greenway, Henderson, Ernie Sims
    Brinkley, Henderson, Onatolu, Mark Herzlich

    CB:6
    Griffen, Winfield, Cook, Allen, Sherels, Burton,

    S: 4
    Abdullah, Johnson, Sanford, Huff

    S/T: 3
    Longwell, Klwue, Loeffler,

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    Re: Kevon's Dream FA Moves/Roster

    I think in a fantasyland this is somewhat nice. A few notes ...

    Gerhart to FB not going to happen in any fantasyland

    I would not hate to see Leinart as a backup, but I don't know if that is realistic. Will probably stay in Houston if he is remaining a No. 2.

    Lance Moore is not going to be available ... and honestly is not a real upgrade over Berrian. Due to his contract, Berrian pretty much has to be on the roster. Moore would cost us a second rounder and cutting Berrian would cost a ton in cap hit when/if the CBA keeps logical caps around (which by all accounts it will).

    I would like a move for a Jerious Norwood type of back for sure, but I think we are really going to go with the ground and pound of AD and Gerhart next season, and we will see Booker get occasional looks as well.

    Blalock would be a nice pickup for sure.

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    Re: Kevon's Dream FA Moves/Roster

    I have a few problems with it, but only two are glaringly terrible and need correcting.

    1. Leinhart is terrible and garbage. Would rather have T Joke than him.
    2. Just leave Gerhart off the roster; easier for everyone involved.

    But the Norwood add is interesting; nice change of pace guy. Moore I cannot see signing with us, but I like your thinking here with him and the White Boy Wonder Camirillo.
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    That's a 56 man roster.

    I like the idea of Blalock and Sims. Both are pretty young and should come relatively cheap.

    I do not like the idea of Gerhart moving to fullback. I wouldn't mind seeing him lined up as one occasionally, just to show different looks, but the guy's a good runner.

    Who is Huff? Michael Huff of the Raiders? He'd be an excellent pickup, but he's had an upswing over the past two seasons so he may be expensive. He was great coming out of Texas.

    I don't like Herzlich. Not because of his illness, but because of his skillset. I can see him as a good 3-4 linebacker, whether he's inside or outside. He's got a long body type and I don't see him turning over those long levers fast enough to cover receivers or quick tight ends.

    I love the fact that Madieu Williams isn't on your list.

    I like most of this, but affordability of Sims, Blalock, and Huff could be an issue(despite my claim that they will be relatively cheap) because of our free agent situation.

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    Re: Kevon's Dream FA Moves/Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1097681
    That's a 56 man roster.

    I like the idea of Blalock and Sims. Both are pretty young and should come relatively cheap.

    I do not like the idea of Gerhart moving to fullback. I wouldn't mind seeing him lined up as one occasionally, just to show different looks, but the guy's a good runner.

    Who is Huff? Michael Huff of the Raiders? He'd be an excellent pickup, but he's had an upswing over the past two seasons so he may be expensive. He was great coming out of Texas.

    I don't like Herzlich. Not because of his illness, but because of his skillset. I can see him as a good 3-4 linebacker, whether he's inside or outside. He's got a long body type and I don't see him turning over those long levers fast enough to cover receivers or quick tight ends.

    I love the fact that Madieu Williams isn't on your list.

    I like most of this, but affordability of Sims, Blalock, and Huff could be an issue(despite my claim that they will be relatively cheap) because of our free agent situation.
    See, I believe that we should move Gerhert to FB. He is simply too slow to be a HB in this league. He is the definition of 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Whats the sense of keeping him off the field while AD churns out the yards. The era ofthe Owen Schmitt type FB is gone. Guys like Mcclain and Hillis are really Fbs with HB like skill sets.

    Moor is a much better WR than BB. Moore can atleast stay healthy. He fights for the ball and is willing to compete. BB looks disinterested on most plays. Must be his modeling career taking off :whistle:

    I also believe that we have more Cap than a lot of people think. I estimate we might have been above or under the cap by about 2 million last season. Take away Brett's 20 million and you have a starting point of 18 million to work it. Pat's 6 million is off the books and out starting point is now 24 million.

    Rice's increase of 5 million a year = 19
    Peterson Resigning gains us about 2 million = 21
    Leber's 3 million off the books = 24
    Williams cutting 3mill = 27
    Signing of Huff = 4 mill 23
    Signing of Blaylock = 6 million 17.
    Signing of Ponder = 6 million 13
    Cutting of BB = +3 million = 16
    Signing of Lance Moore = 4 million = 13
    Signing of Ballard = 2 million = 11
    Leinhart = 2 million. = 9 million left
    Signing Sims = 4 million

    That leaves us in the range of 5 to 7 million to cover the resigning and extension of future contacts. I expect we would enter the season with 4 million under the cap and a young athletic team.

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    Re: Kevon's Dream FA Moves/Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1097734

    See, I believe that we should move Gerhert to FB. He is simply too slow to be a HB in this league.
    He is simply too weak to be a FB in the league. We already had a slow useless fullback, I'm not sure Gerhart would be any type of improvement in that position. He's better as a 'bang it out for 3 yards' type of back. Even still, he's not very good.
    Moor is a much better WR than BB. Moore can atleast stay healthy. He fights for the ball and is willing to compete. BB looks disinterested on most plays. Must be his modeling career taking off :whistle:
    Moore looks good because he has Brees throwing to him. As well, the cost of getting rid of Berrian and trading for MOore makes this a never gonna happen scenario.

    I also believe that we have more Cap than a lot of people think. I estimate we might have been above or under the cap by about 2 million last season. Take away Brett's 20 million and you have a starting point of 18 million to work it. Pat's 6 million is off the books and out starting point is now 24 million.
    That'as assuming the cap stays the same. That's assuming alot.
    Also, while we save 24 mil by losing two big players, remember Greenway will be getting a fat raise this year. Peterson will need a new contract = more money. Not sure how you figure we'll get away with giving him LESS money. Cutting BB costs us money as well, does not gain us money. We do have money, and I think all of your players are attaininable, IF they come for a reasonable price. Problem is, they won't. SOMEBODY is goign to offer Simms or Huff a good contract.

    Now, none of that takes into account increasing salaries for guys like Allen, K-Will, Hutch. These guys don't make a flat rate every year.

    Lastly, We seem to want to have space if we need it. Nothing worse than being at the cap or over and needing to fill a hole. If we're spending money, I'd rather spend it on someone we know will come in and play well, like Blalock. Offering a big contract to a guy like Huff is a risky proposition.

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    Re: Kevon's Dream FA Moves/Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1097746

    That'as assuming the cap stays the same. That's assuming alot.
    Also, while we save 24 mil by losing two big players, remember Greenway will be getting a fat raise this year. Peterson will need a new contract = more money. Not sure how you figure we'll get away with giving him LESS money.
    I think I can answer this one. There is a reasonable chance with any extension or new long-term deal that the cap figure for the first year will actually be lower. The big money is always pushed back to the last few years of the contract. So, if we ink them properly, both Peterson and Greenway could end up saving us some significant cap room in the short term, but cost a lot later on.

    Now, none of that takes into account increasing salaries for guys like Allen, K-Will, Hutch. These guys don't make a flat rate every year.
    This is correct. Ongoing salaries are where the costs keep going up.

    Lastly, We seem to want to have space if we need it. Nothing worse than being at the cap or over and needing to fill a hole. If we're spending money, I'd rather spend it on someone we know will come in and play well, like Blalock. Offering a big contract to a guy like Huff is a risky proposition.
    There's always some risk involved with any player. Any given guy could suffer a career-ending injury at any time. But no risk, no reward, right?

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    Re: Kevon's Dream FA Moves/Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1097746
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1097734

    See, I believe that we should move Gerhert to FB. He is simply too slow to be a HB in this league.
    He is simply too weak to be a FB in the league. We already had a slow useless fullback, I'm not sure Gerhart would be any type of improvement in that position. He's better as a 'bang it out for 3 yards' type of back. Even still, he's not very good.
    Moor is a much better WR than BB. Moore can atleast stay healthy. He fights for the ball and is willing to compete. BB looks disinterested on most plays. Must be his modeling career taking off :whistle:
    Moore looks good because he has Brees throwing to him. As well, the cost of getting rid of Berrian and trading for MOore makes this a never gonna happen scenario.

    I also believe that we have more Cap than a lot of people think. I estimate we might have been above or under the cap by about 2 million last season. Take away Brett's 20 million and you have a starting point of 18 million to work it. Pat's 6 million is off the books and out starting point is now 24 million.
    That'as assuming the cap stays the same. That's assuming alot.
    Also, while we save 24 mil by losing two big players, remember Greenway will be getting a fat raise this year. Peterson will need a new contract = more money. Not sure how you figure we'll get away with giving him LESS money. Cutting BB costs us money as well, does not gain us money. We do have money, and I think all of your players are attaininable, IF they come for a reasonable price. Problem is, they won't. SOMEBODY is goign to offer Simms or Huff a good contract.

    Now, none of that takes into account increasing salaries for guys like Allen, K-Will, Hutch. These guys don't make a flat rate every year.

    Lastly, We seem to want to have space if we need it. Nothing worse than being at the cap or over and needing to fill a hole. If we're spending money, I'd rather spend it on someone we know will come in and play well, like Blalock. Offering a big contract to a guy like Huff is a risky proposition.
    I'm quite enlightened by the increases in salary. I would like to point out that not all salaries increase some go down, some fluctuate.
    I'm not sure you even read my post because you responded questioning things I addressed ( i.e resigning AD). Lastly, cutting a player does not instantly affect the Cap. That's why teams cut players to make room for the cap. Remember when the titans cut almost all their superstars to make cap room? The Pats cut vets all the time to maintin their cap. The eagles are always in cap hell at the end of the season, then they refuse to resign some vets and cut others and are back into the mix.It's about how you structure your contacts. This isn't the NBA where the full contract is guaranteed.

    Here is william's salary thru 2010

    http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/salaries/player/Madieu-Williams
    SEASON BASE SALARY SIGN BONUS CAP VALUE SALARY
    2008 $ 605,000 $ 4,000,000 $ 5,371,666 $ 8,705,000
    2009 $ 620,000 0.00 $ 5,350,208 $ 4,720,000

    He signed for 33 million. I don't have his 2010 figures but lets assume that his contract has already hit 17 million. Which tells me that most of guarantee is up and only that afects the cap. At most I believe he might have 6 million in cap space owed.

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    Re: Kevon's Dream FA Moves/Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1097746
    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1097734

    See, I believe that we should move Gerhert to FB. He is simply too slow to be a HB in this league.
    He is simply too weak to be a FB in the league. We already had a slow useless fullback, I'm not sure Gerhart would be any type of improvement in that position. He's better as a 'bang it out for 3 yards' type of back. Even still, he's not very good.
    Moor is a much better WR than BB. Moore can atleast stay healthy. He fights for the ball and is willing to compete. BB looks disinterested on most plays. Must be his modeling career taking off :whistle:
    Moore looks good because he has Brees throwing to him. As well, the cost of getting rid of Berrian and trading for MOore makes this a never gonna happen scenario.

    I also believe that we have more Cap than a lot of people think. I estimate we might have been above or under the cap by about 2 million last season. Take away Brett's 20 million and you have a starting point of 18 million to work it. Pat's 6 million is off the books and out starting point is now 24 million.
    That'as assuming the cap stays the same. That's assuming alot.
    Also, while we save 24 mil by losing two big players, remember Greenway will be getting a fat raise this year. Peterson will need a new contract = more money. Not sure how you figure we'll get away with giving him LESS money. Cutting BB costs us money as well, does not gain us money. We do have money, and I think all of your players are attaininable, IF they come for a reasonable price. Problem is, they won't. SOMEBODY is goign to offer Simms or Huff a good contract.

    Now, none of that takes into account increasing salaries for guys like Allen, K-Will, Hutch. These guys don't make a flat rate every year.

    Lastly, We seem to want to have space if we need it. Nothing worse than being at the cap or over and needing to fill a hole. If we're spending money, I'd rather spend it on someone we know will come in and play well, like Blalock. Offering a big contract to a guy like Huff is a risky proposition.
    I'm quite enlightened by the increases in salary. I would like to point out that not all salaries increase some go down, some fluctuate.
    I'm not sure you even read my post because you responded questioning things I addressed ( i.e resigning AD). Lastly, cutting a player does not instantly affect the Cap. That's why teams cut players to make room for the cap. Remember when the titans cut almost all their superstars to make cap room? The Pats cut vets all the time to maintin their cap. The eagles are always in cap hell at the end of the season, then they refuse to resign some vets and cut others and are back into the mix.It's about how you structure your contacts. This isn't the NBA where the full contract is guaranteed.

    Here is william's salary thru 2010

    http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/football/nfl/salaries/player/Madieu-Williams
    SEASON BASE SALARY SIGN BONUS CAP VALUE SALARY
    2008 $ 605,000 $ 4,000,000 $ 5,371,666 $ 8,705,000
    2009 $ 620,000 0.00 $ 5,350,208 $ 4,720,000

    He signed for 33 million. I don't have his 2010 figures but lets assume that his contract has already hit 17 million. Which tells me that most of guarantee is up and only that affects the cap. At most I believe he might have 6 million in cap space owed.

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    Re: Kevon's Dream FA Moves/Roster

    Quote Originally Posted by "Traveling_Vike" #1097751
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1097746

    That'as assuming the cap stays the same. That's assuming alot.
    Also, while we save 24 mil by losing two big players, remember Greenway will be getting a fat raise this year. Peterson will need a new contract = more money. Not sure how you figure we'll get away with giving him LESS money.
    I think I can answer this one. There is a reasonable chance with any extension or new long-term deal that the cap figure for the first year will actually be lower. The big money is always pushed back to the last few years of the contract. So, if we ink them properly, both Peterson and Greenway could end up saving us some significant cap room in the short term, but cost a lot later on.

    Now, none of that takes into account increasing salaries for guys like Allen, K-Will, Hutch. These guys don't make a flat rate every year.
    This is correct. Ongoing salaries are where the costs keep going up.

    Lastly, We seem to want to have space if we need it. Nothing worse than being at the cap or over and needing to fill a hole. If we're spending money, I'd rather spend it on someone we know will come in and play well, like Blalock. Offering a big contract to a guy like Huff is a risky proposition.
    There's always some risk involved with any player. Any given guy could suffer a career-ending injury at any time. But no risk, no reward, right?
    yes, but lets say a player has a career ending injury, the Vikings aren't on the hook for cap penalties by cutting him.

    Int he end, cap penalties all depend on the player and contract tied to him. It's different in every case.

    I would love to see some of these additions, I just don't see it happening.

    Combination of FA rules, money available, money we're willing to spend in a rebuilding period and the importance of developing rooks vs. vets, waht we seem to deem more important.

    However, I'll play. My roster:

    QB:
    Hasselbeck
    Ponder
    Webb

    RB:
    Peterson
    Gerhart
    Booker

    FB: Sauce

    TE: Shank
    Rudolph
    Dugan

    OL:
    McKinnie
    Hutch
    Carl Nicks (NO)
    Loadholt
    Matt Light (if he'll come cheap, otherwise Alex Barron)

    Cook
    Degeare
    Sullivan
    Love

    WR:
    Rice (Braylon Edwards if Rice won't come back)
    Harvin
    Randy Moss (Cox said dream FA right?)
    Berrian
    Camarillo

    DL
    Allen
    Kevin
    Pat
    Griffen (In this dream, Griffen will be a good looking young starter, and in a dream inside of a dream, we got a 1st for Edwards)

    Guion
    Robison
    Ballard
    Kennedy
    Reed

    DB:

    Winfield
    Abdullah
    Dawan Landry
    Griffen

    Cook
    Allen
    Burton
    Raymond
    TJohnson
    Sanford

    LB:
    Greenway
    EJ
    Simms

    Erin
    Brinkley
    Onatalu
    Farwell

    ST:
    Longwell
    Kluwe
    Loeffler

    Total: 53

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