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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    Marrdro wrote:
    jkjuggalo wrote:
    If anything I would say this is a year to trade back and stockpile an extra pick or two. By all accounts this is a deep draft class. I'd rather the Vikings have more shots at drafting quality players than have them trade up for less of a chance at doing so.

    If we stay where we are, these are the guys I'd like to get at this point of the draft process:

    1. Dan Williams DT Tennesee

    He may be off the board by the time the Vikings pick, but some teams may pass him up to fill other needs with players they value as highly as Williams. I love this pick because it fills a potential need and keeps the Williams wall together for another half decade.
    2nd option: Brian Price DT UCLA (A more disruptive pass rusher than Williams, but not the same run stuffer we would be trying to replace)

    2. Kareem Jackson CB Alabama

    Played under former NFL coach Nick Saban and was a vital cog in the defending champ's defense. Looks to be a great fit for the cover 2 defense.

    2nd option Chris Cook CB Virginia (I would say these two guys are just about interchangeable)

    3. Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona

    This would be a great value pick and fill a need that a lot of people don't seem to notice. A big reason AD struggled down the stretch last year was the lack of good TE blocking. Another bonus: adding a TE that can block and catch would almost ensure Favre's return. He loves being able to throw out of running formations down on the goal line. Don't forget, Kleinny is getting close to hanging them up too.

    2nd option Reshad Jones FS/SS Georgia

    4. John Jerry OG Ole Miss

    Perria Jerry's "little" brother is 6-5 330 lbs of pure road-grater. Running behind Jerry and Loadhoalt would be like driving a tank through defenses.

    2nd option Dennis Pitta TE BYU (He is probably a better pass catcher than Gronkowski that can run the 40 in 4.63 at 250 lbs.)

    5. Dan Lefevour QB Central Michigan

    I'd actually be surprised if he made it to the fifth round. At first glance not throwing at the combine may have hurt his draft stock, but I think Lefevour's agent was smart to leave the scouts in suspense. He will no doubt be a project after playing in the spread offense, but this kid has the intangibles and the skillset to succeed in the NFL. All he does is score TDs and win games. If Favre comes back it gives the Vikings a chance to trade Jackson or Rosenfels for a 2011 pick.

    2nd Choice Pat Angerer MLB Iowa (Another value pick. Iowa has already given us at least one good LB and this guy racked up 135 tackles last season. Besides, his name is badass!)

    I think if they got any combo of these guys in the draft this year, we would be very happy with the results both this year and down the road.
    Its about time you got off your you know what and started feeding me some scouting reports......

    As to the original posters question........

    Quick question back at ya......., if it so good to be up in the top of the draft, why are all the teams at the top trying to trade out of those positions.....

    Answer, to get more picks and select the guys at the bottom of the draft. Those cats are just as good and won't cost as much.

    Never ever ever ever trade up in the first round. Use your picks to move about the board in the later rounds to target players that fit your scheme.
    You figure that Odrick would be just as good as McCoy? And Wilson is as good a corner as Haden?

    I would trade out off that first few picks, as well. But not because the talent is just as good later on. It's just that, if you wind up with in the top 5 picks, you're going to have some more needs than just one DT, OT or QB. And, like you did say, it costs a whole lot more.

    I wouldn't be too surprised if the Vikings traded up if Haden would fall all the way to the 20th pick or something like that. I've seen scouts saying that he'll fall as far as 23 after his combine.

    If Earl Thomas hangs around till pick 22 (meaning he fell past the Texans and Bengals) I could see a trade-up. The Patriots are usually pretty willing partners, although they already have a huge amount of picks in the 2nd.
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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    Rockmolder wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    jkjuggalo wrote:
    If anything I would say this is a year to trade back and stockpile an extra pick or two. By all accounts this is a deep draft class. I'd rather the Vikings have more shots at drafting quality players than have them trade up for less of a chance at doing so.

    If we stay where we are, these are the guys I'd like to get at this point of the draft process:

    1. Dan Williams DT Tennesee

    He may be off the board by the time the Vikings pick, but some teams may pass him up to fill other needs with players they value as highly as Williams. I love this pick because it fills a potential need and keeps the Williams wall together for another half decade.
    2nd option: Brian Price DT UCLA (A more disruptive pass rusher than Williams, but not the same run stuffer we would be trying to replace)

    2. Kareem Jackson CB Alabama

    Played under former NFL coach Nick Saban and was a vital cog in the defending champ's defense. Looks to be a great fit for the cover 2 defense.

    2nd option Chris Cook CB Virginia (I would say these two guys are just about interchangeable)

    3. Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona

    This would be a great value pick and fill a need that a lot of people don't seem to notice. A big reason AD struggled down the stretch last year was the lack of good TE blocking. Another bonus: adding a TE that can block and catch would almost ensure Favre's return. He loves being able to throw out of running formations down on the goal line. Don't forget, Kleinny is getting close to hanging them up too.

    2nd option Reshad Jones FS/SS Georgia

    4. John Jerry OG Ole Miss

    Perria Jerry's "little" brother is 6-5 330 lbs of pure road-grater. Running behind Jerry and Loadhoalt would be like driving a tank through defenses.

    2nd option Dennis Pitta TE BYU (He is probably a better pass catcher than Gronkowski that can run the 40 in 4.63 at 250 lbs.)

    5. Dan Lefevour QB Central Michigan

    I'd actually be surprised if he made it to the fifth round. At first glance not throwing at the combine may have hurt his draft stock, but I think Lefevour's agent was smart to leave the scouts in suspense. He will no doubt be a project after playing in the spread offense, but this kid has the intangibles and the skillset to succeed in the NFL. All he does is score TDs and win games. If Favre comes back it gives the Vikings a chance to trade Jackson or Rosenfels for a 2011 pick.

    2nd Choice Pat Angerer MLB Iowa (Another value pick. Iowa has already given us at least one good LB and this guy racked up 135 tackles last season. Besides, his name is badass!)

    I think if they got any combo of these guys in the draft this year, we would be very happy with the results both this year and down the road.
    Its about time you got off your you know what and started feeding me some scouting reports......

    As to the original posters question........

    Quick question back at ya......., if it so good to be up in the top of the draft, why are all the teams at the top trying to trade out of those positions.....

    Answer, to get more picks and select the guys at the bottom of the draft. Those cats are just as good and won't cost as much.

    Never ever ever ever trade up in the first round. Use your picks to move about the board in the later rounds to target players that fit your scheme.
    You figure that Odrick would be just as good as McCoy? And Wilson is as good a corner as Haden?

    I would trade out off that first few picks, as well. But not because the talent is just as good later on. It's just that, if you wind up with in the top 5 picks, you're going to have some more needs than just one DT, OT or QB. And, like you did say, it costs a whole lot more.

    I wouldn't be too surprised if the Vikings traded up if Haden would fall all the way to the 20th pick or something like that. I've seen scouts saying that he'll fall as far as 23 after his combine.

    If Earl Thomas hangs around till pick 22 (meaning he fell past the Texans and Bengals) I could see a trade-up. The Patriots are usually pretty willing partners, although they already have a huge amount of picks in the 2nd.
    Of course thier not, at least initially, but over the span of a thier first contract, they should about equal out.

    As to the Vikes trading up, I would be extremely suprised if they did it in the first round. Ole Ricky boy has, given the brief track record, seemed to use his 1rst round picks on Vets and the rest of his picks to move about the board in the later rounds to target players that fit the scheme.

    Teams that focus on fixing thier team just in the first round are doomed to be continually picking at the top of the draft.....
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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    Marrdro wrote:
    Rockmolder wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    jkjuggalo wrote:
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    Its about time you got off your you know what and started feeding me some scouting reports......

    As to the original posters question........

    Quick question back at ya......., if it so good to be up in the top of the draft, why are all the teams at the top trying to trade out of those positions.....

    Answer, to get more picks and select the guys at the bottom of the draft. Those cats are just as good and won't cost as much.

    Never ever ever ever trade up in the first round. Use your picks to move about the board in the later rounds to target players that fit your scheme.
    You figure that Odrick would be just as good as McCoy? And Wilson is as good a corner as Haden?

    I would trade out off that first few picks, as well. But not because the talent is just as good later on. It's just that, if you wind up with in the top 5 picks, you're going to have some more needs than just one DT, OT or QB. And, like you did say, it costs a whole lot more.

    I wouldn't be too surprised if the Vikings traded up if Haden would fall all the way to the 20th pick or something like that. I've seen scouts saying that he'll fall as far as 23 after his combine.

    If Earl Thomas hangs around till pick 22 (meaning he fell past the Texans and Bengals) I could see a trade-up. The Patriots are usually pretty willing partners, although they already have a huge amount of picks in the 2nd.
    Of course thier not, at least initially, but over the span of a thier first contract, they should about equal out.

    As to the Vikes trading up, I would be extremely suprised if they did it in the first round. Ole Ricky boy has, given the brief track record, seemed to use his 1rst round picks on Vets and the rest of his picks to move about the board in the later rounds to target players that fit the scheme.

    Teams that focus on fixing thier team just in the first round are doomed to be continually picking at the top of the draft.....
    I couldn't agree more. You don't reach and draft for need. That only sets your franchise back with the high amount of busts and the lesser talent you're picking up.

    That said, though, at some point a guy while have so much value that you can't really pass up on him. Clay Matthews filled a need and was slipping, hence the trade up to get him. I think, if Haden falls all the way to the 20th pick or Earl Thomas falls past the Texans and Bengals, yuo have to think that that would be worth a trade-up.
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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    jkjuggalo wrote:
    If anything I would say this is a year to trade back and stockpile an extra pick or two. By all accounts this is a deep draft class. I'd rather the Vikings have more shots at drafting quality players than have them trade up for less of a chance at doing so.

    If we stay where we are, these are the guys I'd like to get at this point of the draft process:

    1. Dan Williams DT Tennesee

    He may be off the board by the time the Vikings pick, but some teams may pass him up to fill other needs with players they value as highly as Williams. I love this pick because it fills a potential need and keeps the Williams wall together for another half decade.
    2nd option: Brian Price DT UCLA (A more disruptive pass rusher than Williams, but not the same run stuffer we would be trying to replace)

    2. Kareem Jackson CB Alabama

    Played under former NFL coach Nick Saban and was a vital cog in the defending champ's defense. Looks to be a great fit for the cover 2 defense.

    2nd option Chris Cook CB Virginia (I would say these two guys are just about interchangeable)

    3. Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona

    This would be a great value pick and fill a need that a lot of people don't seem to notice. A big reason AD struggled down the stretch last year was the lack of good TE blocking. Another bonus: adding a TE that can block and catch would almost ensure Favre's return. He loves being able to throw out of running formations down on the goal line. Don't forget, Kleinny is getting close to hanging them up too.

    2nd option Reshad Jones FS/SS Georgia

    4. John Jerry OG Ole Miss

    Perria Jerry's "little" brother is 6-5 330 lbs of pure road-grater. Running behind Jerry and Loadhoalt would be like driving a tank through defenses.

    2nd option Dennis Pitta TE BYU (He is probably a better pass catcher than Gronkowski that can run the 40 in 4.63 at 250 lbs.)

    5. Dan Lefevour QB Central Michigan

    I'd actually be surprised if he made it to the fifth round. At first glance not throwing at the combine may have hurt his draft stock, but I think Lefevour's agent was smart to leave the scouts in suspense. He will no doubt be a project after playing in the spread offense, but this kid has the intangibles and the skillset to succeed in the NFL. All he does is score TDs and win games. If Favre comes back it gives the Vikings a chance to trade Jackson or Rosenfels for a 2011 pick.

    2nd Choice Pat Angerer MLB Iowa (Another value pick. Iowa has already given us at least one good LB and this guy racked up 135 tackles last season. Besides, his name is badass!)

    I think if they got any combo of these guys in the draft this year, we would be very happy with the results both this year and down the road.
    I like the DTs you chose they are great value guys there. If they are gone some others that may be there are Odrock (spelling?) Penn State- he is a great three technique and would be very much like a Kevin Williams. Or Lbs like Weatherspoon & Navorro Bowman may still be around.

    2nd round is ok but I would like Devin Mcourtney or Patrick Robinson. But I think I would probably draft Dan LeFevour. He is a mid third rounder and he would not be there in the fifth. So if you want him you would have to reach and grab him at the end of the second.

    I really don't like Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona so in the third I would take a CB. One of the two above might fall to the third but if they didn't I would draft Amari Speivey CB Iowa. Great cover two and return guy. He is very aggressive and I think he would be a good nickel guy. And in a few years could move into the starting role.

    Your 4th rounder sounds great .

    Fifth- I would draft Legarrett Blount RB Oregon. Big back Great for short yardage and is fast enough he could get a few more carries to give AD a break. I like Angerer too. Good call and would be a great fit for us!

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