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    keep picks or try to trade up?

    So ive been going over the draft and im wondering what people were thinking in regards to trying to move up in the 1st round in order to grab one of those stud safeties or cb's? I truly think that our window for a superbowl may be only 1 more year if thats all that Brett comes back for (and i do believe he will). So I say we dangle that 2nd and even our third and try to grab a guy like Haden,Berry or Thomas in order to add a true difference maker into our only weakness our secondary. I say we make a bold move and make this team a nightmare for the rest of the league.
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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    I love that CB coming out of Rutgers.

    Devin McCourty is a corner with a lot of upside, he is an overall tremendous athlete. Great speed, agility, and quick feet. He brings energy and playmaking ability every time he steps on the field, whether it's racing down field to make a tackle on special teams, knocking down a pass, breaking a long kick return, or blocking a punt, all things he did frequently in college. While he will be able to make a difference on special teams immediately, it is doubtful he can come in from day 1 and be a starter at corner. Very raw talent, who gets beat over the top too often, and overall just gives up too many completions. He stand back and learn the game, and there is very little doubt with good coaching he will be able to make the jump to a starting cornerback in the N.F.L. He could come off the board anywhere from the late first to early second round range.

    Personaly, I'de be very happy with Devin as our first round pick.....And won't be one bit suprised if he is our pick.....

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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    WINEemDINEem69em wrote:
    So ive been going over the draft and im wondering what people were thinking in regards to trying to move up in the 1st round in order to grab one of those stud safeties or cb's? I truly think that our window for a superbowl may be only 1 more year if thats all that Brett comes back for (and i do believe he will). So I say we dangle that 2nd and even our third and try to grab a guy like Haden,Berry or Thomas in order to add a true difference maker into our only weakness our secondary. I say we make a bold move and make this team a nightmare for the rest of the league.
    I wouldn't say our only weakness is our secondary. Yeah CB is probably our biggest need though.

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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    Berry? You're dreaming if you think we can trade up that high.

    I am pretty happy with the shape of this team though. I mean ... if our second and third can get us another pick in the top 35 or so, maybe we make a move, but I don't think we need to ... this draft seems to be very deep.

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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    Trade up for a cornerback?

    Maybe, but the learning curve on the island would go against him making a huge impact even if Favre returns for this season.

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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    CB - is certainly our biggest need.

    DT - is still an issue, I'm glad Kennidy is coming back, but this position still needs to be addressed. Hope Williams is back.

    LB - Don't know EJ's status. The greatest news of all would he comes back and is back to his game of 2 years ago. I wouldn't count on it. We need more depth at this possition.

    OL - Something is not working out here. The O-line is a questionmark in my opinion. We have tallent, but for some reason they were not getting the job done. With another year under their belt together hopfully they will start clicking. Sullivan has another year under his belt, and Loudholt was an improvment. Not ready to give up on either of them. McKenny needs to pull his head out of his ass.

    Perhaps its the coaching on the OL.

    RB - Tayler was a big loss in my opinion. Perhaps we are better of with FAD on all the carries anyway.

    S - We are average at best.

    That all being said. I still think we have a great shot at making a run next year.

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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    i would like to get something out of our qb situation.

    i would bet the FO would work some trade for better positioning if they knew say,
    1. farve was coming back
    2. this was IF we sign LT.. but now he's a jet.
    3. what FA's we do get before the draft

    if the staff is clear that we'll have all players back healthy, and we get 1-2 FA's our needs are not that great in number. We'd have farve, tjack, sage.. for me, and i know i'll get questioned for it, tjack is still the better option then sage. in think overall tjack has the athletic ability that sage doesn't have. so we keep Farve, tjack, and sage becomes trade fodder.

    so i would figure that a deal could be worked out somehow with sage, and some pick package for better 1,2,3 round picks. get a few quality players they want and complete the off season picking up whatever is available for camp competition.

    it's a viable option imo..

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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    If anything I would say this is a year to trade back and stockpile an extra pick or two. By all accounts this is a deep draft class. I'd rather the Vikings have more shots at drafting quality players than have them trade up for less of a chance at doing so.

    If we stay where we are, these are the guys I'd like to get at this point of the draft process:

    1. Dan Williams DT Tennesee

    He may be off the board by the time the Vikings pick, but some teams may pass him up to fill other needs with players they value as highly as Williams. I love this pick because it fills a potential need and keeps the Williams wall together for another half decade.
    2nd option: Brian Price DT UCLA (A more disruptive pass rusher than Williams, but not the same run stuffer we would be trying to replace)

    2. Kareem Jackson CB Alabama

    Played under former NFL coach Nick Saban and was a vital cog in the defending champ's defense. Looks to be a great fit for the cover 2 defense.

    2nd option Chris Cook CB Virginia (I would say these two guys are just about interchangeable)

    3. Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona

    This would be a great value pick and fill a need that a lot of people don't seem to notice. A big reason AD struggled down the stretch last year was the lack of good TE blocking. Another bonus: adding a TE that can block and catch would almost ensure Favre's return. He loves being able to throw out of running formations down on the goal line. Don't forget, Kleinny is getting close to hanging them up too.

    2nd option Reshad Jones FS/SS Georgia

    4. John Jerry OG Ole Miss

    Perria Jerry's "little" brother is 6-5 330 lbs of pure road-grater. Running behind Jerry and Loadhoalt would be like driving a tank through defenses.

    2nd option Dennis Pitta TE BYU (He is probably a better pass catcher than Gronkowski that can run the 40 in 4.63 at 250 lbs.)

    5. Dan Lefevour QB Central Michigan

    I'd actually be surprised if he made it to the fifth round. At first glance not throwing at the combine may have hurt his draft stock, but I think Lefevour's agent was smart to leave the scouts in suspense. He will no doubt be a project after playing in the spread offense, but this kid has the intangibles and the skillset to succeed in the NFL. All he does is score TDs and win games. If Favre comes back it gives the Vikings a chance to trade Jackson or Rosenfels for a 2011 pick.

    2nd Choice Pat Angerer MLB Iowa (Another value pick. Iowa has already given us at least one good LB and this guy racked up 135 tackles last season. Besides, his name is badass!)

    I think if they got any combo of these guys in the draft this year, we would be very happy with the results both this year and down the road.
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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    jkjuggalo wrote:
    If anything I would say this is a year to trade back and stockpile an extra pick or two. By all accounts this is a deep draft class. I'd rather the Vikings have more shots at drafting quality players than have them trade up for less of a chance at doing so.

    If we stay where we are, these are the guys I'd like to get at this point of the draft process:

    1. Dan Williams DT Tennesee

    He may be off the board by the time the Vikings pick, but some teams may pass him up to fill other needs with players they value as highly as Williams. I love this pick because it fills a potential need and keeps the Williams wall together for another half decade.
    2nd option: Brian Price DT UCLA (A more disruptive pass rusher than Williams, but not the same run stuffer we would be trying to replace)

    2. Kareem Jackson CB Alabama

    Played under former NFL coach Nick Saban and was a vital cog in the defending champ's defense. Looks to be a great fit for the cover 2 defense.

    2nd option Chris Cook CB Virginia (I would say these two guys are just about interchangeable)

    3. Rob Gronkowski TE Arizona

    This would be a great value pick and fill a need that a lot of people don't seem to notice. A big reason AD struggled down the stretch last year was the lack of good TE blocking. Another bonus: adding a TE that can block and catch would almost ensure Favre's return. He loves being able to throw out of running formations down on the goal line. Don't forget, Kleinny is getting close to hanging them up too.

    2nd option Reshad Jones FS/SS Georgia

    4. John Jerry OG Ole Miss

    Perria Jerry's "little" brother is 6-5 330 lbs of pure road-grater. Running behind Jerry and Loadhoalt would be like driving a tank through defenses.

    2nd option Dennis Pitta TE BYU (He is probably a better pass catcher than Gronkowski that can run the 40 in 4.63 at 250 lbs.)

    5. Dan Lefevour QB Central Michigan

    I'd actually be surprised if he made it to the fifth round. At first glance not throwing at the combine may have hurt his draft stock, but I think Lefevour's agent was smart to leave the scouts in suspense. He will no doubt be a project after playing in the spread offense, but this kid has the intangibles and the skillset to succeed in the NFL. All he does is score TDs and win games. If Favre comes back it gives the Vikings a chance to trade Jackson or Rosenfels for a 2011 pick.

    2nd Choice Pat Angerer MLB Iowa (Another value pick. Iowa has already given us at least one good LB and this guy racked up 135 tackles last season. Besides, his name is badass!)

    I think if they got any combo of these guys in the draft this year, we would be very happy with the results both this year and down the road.
    Its about time you got off your you know what and started feeding me some scouting reports......

    As to the original posters question........

    Quick question back at ya......., if it so good to be up in the top of the draft, why are all the teams at the top trying to trade out of those positions.....

    Answer, to get more picks and select the guys at the bottom of the draft. Those cats are just as good and won't cost as much.

    Never ever ever ever trade up in the first round. Use your picks to move about the board in the later rounds to target players that fit your scheme.
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    Re:keep picks or try to trade up?

    I'm admittedly of mixed feelings on this... on one hand, we could try to trade into the top 10... the issue is, we don't need a starter. The only players we've lost this year are 2 backups... why spend multiple draft picks and the money that comes with a top 10 player if he's not going to start year 1? No clear need for that type of contract...

    On the other hand... we are an extremely deep team. We haven't drafted depth in most of our weak areas (CB, LB, S) in the past 2 drafts... guys that are playing special teams or on our practice squad. How on earth are 7+ draft picks going to even make the team this year? I'd rather have say 4 2nd round picks than 7 picks and have 4 good quality guys make the team. I just don't think we have the roster spots for a full draft's worth of picks.

    I can see us going either way... I think I'd like to see us pick up a lower 1st round pick to go with our #30... we can draft a DT and an OLinemen to develop as starters in 2011. That low in round 1 they won't command huge money and therefore don't need to be year 1 starters. The rest of our picks would be more long term development/flyers to fill long term needs in other areas (QB, CB, LB, DE).
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