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    July 15th Is A Date To Watch For

    The five players expected to be available in the supplemental draft are:

    BYU running back Harvey Unga

    Northwestern State running back Quentin Castille

    Truman State multi-purpose offensive player Vaness Emokpae

    Oregon quarterback Jeremiah Masoli

    Illinois defensive tackle Joshua Price-Brent
    July 15th Is A Date To Watch For
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    Re: July 15th Is A Date To Watch For

    When was the last time we partook in the Supplemental draft?

    don't waste our picks.

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    Re: July 15th Is A Date To Watch For

    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    When was the last time we partook in the Supplemental draft?

    don't waste our picks.
    Are you saying that cats that are picked in a supplemental draft aren't quality players?
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    Re: July 15th Is A Date To Watch For

    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    When was the last time we partook in the Supplemental draft?

    don't waste our picks.
    Are you saying that cats that are picked in a supplemental draft aren't quality players?
    Sometimes yes, there's more to choose from in the regular draft. I'd rather go there.

    Draft order is determined by a weighted system that is divided into three groupings. First come the teams that had six or fewer wins last season, followed by non-playoff teams that had more than six wins, followed by the 12 playoff teams. In the supplemental draft, a team is not required to use any picks. Instead, if a team wants a player in the supplemental draft, they submit a "bid" to the Commissioner with the round they would pick that player. If no other team places a bid on that player at an earlier spot, the team is awarded the player and has to give up an equivalent pick in the following year's draft. (For example, FS Paul Oliver was taken by the San Diego Chargers in the fourth round of the Supplemental Draft in 2007; thus, in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Chargers forfeited a fourth-round pick.)

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    Re:July 15th Is A Date To Watch For

    Brent-Price is around 62, 330 and would have been ranked as the 15th overall defensive tackle going into the season. He will work out for NFL scouts before the draft and should get selected in the 5th or 6th round of the 2010 Supplemental Draft.
    Supplemental Draft Report: Josh Brent Price
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    Re: July 15th Is A Date To Watch For

    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    When was the last time we partook in the Supplemental draft?

    don't waste our picks.
    Are you saying that cats that are picked in a supplemental draft aren't quality players?
    Wasn't Cris Carter taken in the supplemental draft? I'm too lazy to look it up.

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    Re: July 15th Is A Date To Watch For

    Yeah ... I have no problem making a 5th or 6th round supplemental pick.

    And yes, Cris Carter was a supplemental draft pick, as was Bernie Kosar, Rob Moore, Mike Whale, Jared Gaither and a few other fairly productive NFLers.

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    Re: July 15th Is A Date To Watch For

    Erinnn wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    When was the last time we partook in the Supplemental draft?

    don't waste our picks.
    Are you saying that cats that are picked in a supplemental draft aren't quality players?
    Wasn't Cris Carter taken in the supplemental draft? I'm too lazy to look it up.
    YUP, thats who I was aluding to in one of my earlier questions.
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    Re: July 15th Is A Date To Watch For

    Erinnn wrote:
    Marrdro wrote:
    i_bleed_purple wrote:
    When was the last time we partook in the Supplemental draft?

    don't waste our picks.
    Are you saying that cats that are picked in a supplemental draft aren't quality players?
    Wasn't Cris Carter taken in the supplemental draft? I'm too lazy to look it up.
    Yes, by Philadelphia in the 4th round of the supplemental draft in 1987. Along with the immortal Brian Bosworth (#1, 1st round by Seattle) and Dan Sileo (#2, 3rd round by Tampa).

    And, to actually provide MEANINGFUL data, rather than cherry-picking a few success stories (not that I'd call Philadelphia's selection of Carter a success story), here are the other supplmental picks since 1987:

    1988 - 5th round, only pick, by the VIKINGS, Ryan Bethea, WR, University of Miami. Never played a down in the NFL.

    1989 - 1st round
    #1 - Steve Walsh, QB, Miami - by Dallas. 38 career starts (20-18 record) for six teams and a career passer rating of 66.4.
    #2 - Timm Rosenbach, QB, Wash State - by Phoenix (now Arizona). 20 career starts (5-15 record) for the Cardinals, career passer rating of 66.0.
    #3 - Bobby Humphrey, RB, Alabama - by Denver. 27 career starts for Denver & Miami. 1 time Pro Bowler (1990). 695 career attempts for 2857 yards (4.1 ypc), 40 rushing TDs. Out of football after 4 seasons, the last with the Dolphins where he was mainly used as a pass-catcher out of the backfield.

    1989 - 8th round
    #4 - Brett Young, DT, Oregon - by Buffalo. Never played a down in the NFL.

    1989 - 12th round
    #5 - Mike Loman, RB, Coffeyville CC - by Dallas. Never played a down in the NFL.

    1990 - 1st round
    #1 - Rob Moore, WR, Syracuse - by NY Jets. Had a fairly successful career (mostly with Arizona), 2-time Pro Bowler, 1-time All-Pro (1997) - 153 games, 628 receptions, 9368 yards and 49 TDs.

    1990 - 9th round
    #2 - Willie Williams, T, LSU - by Phoenix. 5 career starts over two seasons.

    1991 - no supplemental picks

    1992 - 1st round
    #1 - Dave M. Brown, QB, Duke - by NY Giants. 60 career starts (26-34 record) for the Giants and Arizona, career passer rating of 67.9.

    1992 - 2nd round
    #2 - Darren Mickell, DE, Florida - by Kansas City. 61 career starts (for 4 teams) with 26 career sacks.

    1993 - no supplemental picks

    1994 - 4th round
    #1 - Tito Wooten, FS, La-Monroe/UNC - by NY Giants. 47 career starts, 3 interceptions, 237 solo tackles (80 assists) for the Giants (5 years) and Indy (1 year).

    1994 - 5th round
    #2 - John Davis, TE, Emporia State - by Dallas. 26 career starts over six seasons for 3 teams (does NOT include the Cowboys who drafted him) with 55 receptions and 6 TDs.

    1995 - 3rd round
    #1 - Darren Benson, DT, Trinity Valley CC - by Dallas. No starts over 2 seasons with the Cowboys. No sacks, 5 tackles.

    1996 - no supplemental picks
    1997 - no supplemental picks

    1998 - 2nd round
    #1 - Mike Wahle, G, Navy - by Green Bay. 138 starts over 11 seasons with GB, CAR and SEA. 1-time Pro Bowler (2005).

    #2 - Jamal Williams, DT, Oklahoma State - by San Diego. 122 starts over 12 seasons with SD. 3-time Pro Bowler, 2-time NFL All-Pro. One could argue that he didn't start to achieve success until Shawne Merriman's arrival in 2005.

    1999 - no supplemental picks

    2000 - 4th round
    #1 - J'Juan Cherry, DB, Arizona State - by New England. Never played a down in the NFL.

    2001 - no supplemental picks

    2002 - 6th round
    #1 - Milford Brown, G, FSU - by Houston. 47 starts for 4 teams over six seasons.

    2003 - 2nd round
    #1 - Tony Hollins, RB, Georgia Tech - by Houston. 1 career start in 3 seasons. 49 career attempts for 149 yards (3.0 ypc) and 0 TDs.

    2004 - no supplemental picks

    2005 - 5th round
    #1 - Manuel Wright, DT, USC - by Miami. No career starts over 2 seasons with 2 teams. 1 career sack.

    2006 - 3rd round
    #1 - Ahmad Brooks, LB, UVA - by Cincinnati. 7 starts over 3 seasons with 2 teams. 41 career tackles (with 8 sacks). Had 6 sacks last year (2009) with SF as a rushing LB.

    2007 - no supplemental picks
    2008 - no supplemental picks
    2009 - no supplemental picks

    Some conclusions:
    * In the last 10 years, 5 of those drafts have had ZERO players taken in the supplemental draft. Of the 5 players taken, none of them has had a real impact (might be too early to judge Ahmad Brooks). I chalk this up to the advanced scouting and scrutiny under which college players are put in the more modern era.

    * Out of the 20 players selected since 1988, only FOUR were Pro Bowlers, TWO were All-Pros (Rob Moore and Jamal Williams), FOUR never played a down in the NFL, FOUR were complete busts (my criteria, played with no impact) and SIX were serviceable players.

    I'm not impressed.

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    Re: July 15th Is A Date To Watch For

    Zeus wrote:
    Erinnn wrote:
    Wasn't Cris Carter taken in the supplemental draft? I'm too lazy to look it up.
    Yes, by Philadelphia in the 4th round of the supplemental draft in 1987. Along with the immortal Brian Bosworth (#1, 1st round by Seattle) and Dan Sileo (#2, 3rd round by Tampa).

    And, to actually provide MEANINGFUL data, rather than cherry-picking a few success stories (not that I'd call Philadelphia's selection of Carter a success story), here are the other supplmental picks since 1987:

    ...

    Some conclusions:
    * In the last 10 years, 5 of those drafts have had ZERO players taken in the supplemental draft. Of the 5 players taken, none of them has had a real impact (might be too early to judge Ahmad Brooks). I chalk this up to the advanced scouting and scrutiny under which college players are put in the more modern era.

    * Out of the 20 players selected since 1988, only FOUR were Pro Bowlers, TWO were All-Pros (Rob Moore and Jamal Williams), FOUR never played a down in the NFL, FOUR were complete busts (my criteria, played with no impact) and SIX were serviceable players.

    I'm not impressed.

    =Z=
    Thanks for the info Zeus.

    I think the nature of the supplemental draft these days is that players are only in it if something happened in the spring after the deadline to declare for the normal draft.

    What does that mean? Two things, I would think. First, usually they weren't good enough to warrant a high selection and therefore were planning on returning to school to try and improve their draft stock. Second, they messed up, got in trouble, or failed out, causing them to change their mind.

    That whole line of thinking may be wrong, and I suppose every player should be looked at individually. But in general I think there is a good reason teams usually stay away from the supplemental draft.

    Anyway, look at this DT from Illinois.

    He had 3 sacks and 7 tackles for a loss last year - not exactly jumping off the page there. Someone posted a report that he would have been ranked as the 15th best draft eligible DT in college ball going into next season. In that range, guys are more likely to end up out of the league than in it after a few years. Add to that his DUI and the fact he flunked out of school.

    Doesn't seem like an attractive pick to me.
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