01-28-2011, 07:43 PM #31
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Re: Johnson hire could open the door for Vince YoungOriginally Posted by "singersp" #1088611
Sorry Rick! Keep up the good work.
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Re: Johnson hire could open the door for Vince YoungOriginally Posted by "MulletMullitia" #1088634
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Re: Johnson hire could open the door for Vince YoungOriginally Posted by "APAD" #1088635
02-05-2011, 09:32 PM #34Waterboy
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Re: Johnson hire could open the door for Vince Young
I signed up for this site just so I could post on this thread. So I hope someone reads this and takes it to heart...
Anyways, I am a Titans fan and a Longhorn fan. So sure, I could be a little biased when it comes to Vince Young. But I wanted to give you guys my opinion on Vince and why I think you should really accept him as an option for the future of your franchise.
Ive seen every single snap of Vince's since he played at Texas.. so ive seen the good and Ive seen the bad.. Ive seen him transform into a better passer each year hes played.
For starters, I feel like all of this "head-case" talk is really blown out of proportion by ESPN and Fisher's lackeys. Jeff Fisher had a strangle hold on that entire city and franchise. I feel like he held Vince back a lot of the time. Fisher refused to use Vince like he should have been used and always resorts back to this stone-age playbook that looks like it was created in the 1930's.
While it might seem like Fisher is some sort of NFL coaching god.. he is far from that. You would think that someone who has been a head coach of the same team for 17 years would be HOF material and in the playoffs every year but that is just not the case. Without Vince Young's 30-17 record, Jeff Fisher isn't even over .500 for his entire career. He only took his team to the playoffs 5 times in 17 years. That is pathetic.
It all started in the 06' draft. Fisher, a USC alum, was very high on Matt Leinart. However, Bud Adams (a Texas Longhorn fan and Houston native) wanted Vince Young and was going to get him regardless of what his coach wanted. This set up Vince for a lose-lose situation. His head coach never wanted him and was ALWAYS looking for a reason to bench him. Instead of being supportive and trying to teach Vince, Fisher's answer was always "bench him".
So tell me.. if your boss constantly bashed you and pulled you out of projects for someone who was clearly not as good as you at the job.. How long would it take before you snapped?
Vince has done nothing but win for that franchise. The 0-6 stretch last year proves it. Jeff Fisher REFUSED to play Vince during the that stretch until Bud Adams made him play Vince. You know what happened? 0-6 turned into 6-0. Vince made history by leading the only 0-6 team to a 6-0 stretch.
Then this year, Vince starts off strong. He easily looks the best as a passer that I have ever seen and keep in mind I have been watching him since 03. He had the highest passer rating in the league up until he got injured.
In the second game of the season the Titans are playing the Steelers. Its a 2 possession game. Vince Young is known for leading teams on comebacks to win the game. Look at the Rose Bowl against USC, look at the 55 yd OT run against the Houston Texans, look at the Giants game in 07, look at the 99-yd drive against the Cardinals in 09... do I need to keep going? Here is some video evidence:
Anyways, what does Fisher do? He benches Vince in the 4th quarter for Kerry Collins. Afterwards, Fisher's answer to doing so was "Kerry just knows the Steelers defense better". Another example that Fisher will bench Vince at the drop of a hat.
Guess what.. the Titans still lost.
The next game against Denver, Fisher refuses to throw the ball. He goes back to his stone-age playbook and tries running CJ up the middle 60 times. It doesn't work. The Titans lose that game due to Fishers inability to trust Vince by letting him throw.
After that game, Fisher receives heat for the play calling.. he finally decides to open the offense up. Vince starts throwing more and to some peoples surprise.. he is actually good. Even Merril Hodge, Vince Young's loudest critic, comes out and says he wants to "bury the hatchet" and admits he was wrong about Vince.
Vince and the Titans are rolling. They are looking like the #1 team in the AFC South for once. Then the MNF game against the Jags comes and Vince gets his knee absolutely demolished. Looking like a season-ending injury. However, Vince is able to rehab it and is looking like he is good to go against the Dolphins...
Guess what. Fisher doesn't play him. He goes with Kerry as the starter, while Vince is the #2. Ask yourself this, If he is healthy enough to be the back-up.. why isn't he the starter?
Eventually, Kerry Collins gets hurt in that game and enter Vince Young. His knee/ankle looks to be 100% because he is running around and throwing out of bootleg formations.. it really starts to make you wonder what Fisher has against Vince..
Then comes the Redskins game where the entire thing blows up. Vince hits his thumb on a helmet and has to come out.. but Vince thinks he can come back in and play. He starts warming up on the sidelines ready to go back in.. but Fisher wont let him. He instead goes with rookie Rusty Smith.
Vince is visibly pissed off on the sideline. He knows he can go in there and finish, but Fisher wont let him. That was the final tipping point for Vince.
He had put up with enough from Fisher always back-stabbing him and never trusting him.
Vince supposedly threw his pads into the stands, but there is no one that can confirm this happened or video that will confirm it. Vince blows up on Fisher in the locker-room, basically telling him to go to hell and that's the end of it.
In my opinion, Vince did what any rational person whose boiling point has been reached would do. Year after year, Vince was treated like an unwanted member of the family from his Head Coach and that is just not a situation that you can succeed in. Yet, Vince still went 30-17. Pretty damn good if you ask me.
Now that is done with, let me show you some stats:
A lot of Vince's critics say his 30-17 record is all by playing teams with losing records. Even Paul Khuarsky came out and publicly tried to defame Vince by using this "stat" as evidence. Here is a list of QB's over the past 5 years against teams with winning records:
Peyton Manning 42-16
Tom Brady 30-12
Ben Roethlisburger 24-19
Mark Sanchez 10-8
Drew Brees 24-24
Philip Rivers 24-24
Matt Ryan 14-14
Donovan McNabb 21-22
Joe Flacco 15-16
Vince Young 13-14
Tony Romo 18-20
Mike Vick 8-9
Brett Favre 19-23
David Garrard 19-25
Eli Manning 23-31
Aaron Rodgers 11-16
Kerry Collins 9-14
Matt Schaub 12-20
Jay Cutler 14-24
Matt Cassel 8-15
Carson Palmer 14-31
Now tell me, is Vince's record really that bad compared to others? NO. Its much better than Schuab and Palmer.. guys that are looked at as gods by some of the talking heads on ESPN. Why does Vince get this kind of criticism when no one else does?
Another stat, Vince is 27 years old.. pretty young NFL wise. Here is a list of highest QB ratings at the age of 27:
Vince Young: 98.6
TD/Int at age 27.
Everyone else on the above list: much worse.
YDs/Attempt at age 27.
Everyone else on the above list: less than VY.
Any/A (adjusted net yards per passing attempt) at age 27.
Everyone else on the above list: less.
For someone who is looked at as a failure and a bust by some of you, these stats sure do paint a different picture.
I know this post is getting long, and its a lot longer than I originally intended. I just wanted to tell you guys that I think Vince's criticism is unlike anything I have ever seen before. This man is just hated by people for no apparent reason.
Yes, Vince has some growing up to do. But him going to a new team, with a new change of scenery and new coaches will REALLY help him in that process. Things in Nashville were never going to work for him and it all stemmed from his head coach wanting nothing to do with him.
IMO, Vince is a perfect answer for you guys. If he were to get hurt, you could put in TJ or Webb and have the same sort of offense. You wouldn't have to worry about your offense losing its rhythm because Vince got hurt.
Also - one last thing. Vince had plenty of supporters on his team. During Kenny Britt's first game back on the field during the Colts, he wore a towel on his belt that read "#10 VY"...
Vince's supporters were the best players on that team (kenny britt, CJ, etc) and there is a reason for that. When guys like Kevin Mawae are speaking out against him, just remember.. this is the same Kevin Mawae that cant even get a new CBA deal done and is leading the NFL into a bad situation. Not to mention, Mawae is a Fisher lover.
Vince is a great guy. He is constantly taking care of Steve McNair's kids and trying to be the father figure that Steve was to him. He calls random kids that go to his restaurant when its their birthday.. he just does things that go unnoticed by the media while his little fiasco's are what get blown way out of proportion and are backed up with stats that absolutely make no sense.
I really think Vince is going to become a Viking. I hope you guys see what I see when he comes and plays for you and I hope you accept him. Vince is the kind of guy that needs that surrounding support and he never got that in Tennessee.
Just think.. if the guy can go 30-17 with a head coach that hates him and benches him every time he looks at him wrong.. What will he do with a supportive cast and a coach that actually wants him?
My guess is that he will take you to the Super Bowl. I believe in him. I hope you guys do too.None
02-05-2011, 10:22 PM #35
Re: Johnson hire could open the door for Vince YoungOriginally Posted by "Gurrry" #1088982
I have never been a big VY fan; however, I do believe he is a winner on the field. I agree that he needs to mature in certain areas, and I hope he does whether he plays for the Vikes or not.
Thanks for taking the time to post and stick around. If we do sign him, we may need your positivity around here
02-06-2011, 02:10 AM #36Starter
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Re: Johnson hire could open the door for Vince YoungOriginally Posted by "seaniemck7" #1088984
I too applaud you for this post and this is a great post and something you would never see from the media's perspectives. I would personally like to see Vince Young as a Viking and I do like the potential and intangibles. However its always nice to see a little more accuracy and maturity something that can always be fixed. +2 great post sirNone
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