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    Re: jkjugglo's Realistic Dream Draft

    I like DT in the 2nd. I want Pat Sims, but would be alright with Dre Moore. I don't know what I think about Brandon Albert yet. I know I would prefer Chris Williams.

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    Re: jkjugglo's Realistic Dream Draft

    "jkjuggalo" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    I am sorry but I don't like any of these picks.

    A guard in the first. Interesting but tackle is a greater need.

    DT in the 2nd?!?! Not a need at this point. Maybe in later rounds for depth.

    No way a center should get picked that high.

    josh Johnson in the 3rd? What about Booty?
    Branden Albert is arguably the second most talented offensive lineman in this draft.
    He can play OT, which is what we would use him as if we drafted him in the first.
    Former Texans GM Charley Casserly said he is easily a top 20 pick.

    Booty has the smallest hands of any QB in the draft...can you say the return of Fumblor?

    DT is weak after the Williams Bros.
    With as winded as those 2 get, we need a force to back them up
    , and Moore would be great value at that pick.
    The quality of DTs drops significantly after the second round.

    The same can be said for C.
    If we aren't planning on signing Birk, we need to find his heir apparent.
    Pollack is the best center in the draft with Justice close behind.

    Johnson is the athletic strong armed type of QB Chilly loves and "small hands" Booty is just...well, Booty.

    Anyway, I'm in class, so like I said I'll add all the stuff to back up my selections later...
    That is what we have Ellis Wyms and Fred Evans for.

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    Re: jkjugglo's Realistic Dream Draft

    "jkjuggalo" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    I am sorry but I don't like any of these picks.

    A guard in the first. Interesting but tackle is a greater need.

    DT in the 2nd?!?! Not a need at this point. Maybe in later rounds for depth.

    No way a center should get picked that high.

    josh Johnson in the 3rd? What about Booty?
    Branden Albert is arguably the second most talented offensive lineman in this draft.
    He can play OT, which is what we would use him as if we drafted him in the first.
    Former Texans GM Charley Casserly said he is easily a top 20 pick.

    Booty has the smallest hands of any QB in the draft...can you say the return of Fumblor?

    DT is weak after the Williams Bros.
    With as winded as those 2 get, we need a force to back them up, and Moore would be great value at that pick.
    The quality of DTs drops significantly after the second round.

    The same can be said for C.
    If we aren't planning on signing Birk, we need to find his heir apparent.
    Pollack is the best center in the draft with Justice close behind.


    Johnson is the athletic strong armed type of QB Chilly loves and "small hands" Booty is just...well, Booty.

    Anyway, I'm in class, so like I said I'll add all the stuff to back up my selections later...
    Like I said no way a center in the 3rd. Maybe a 4th or 5th. Way to high IMO.

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    Re: jkjugglo's Realistic Dream Draft

    "jkjuggalo" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    I am sorry but I don't like any of these picks.

    A guard in the first. Interesting but tackle is a greater need.

    DT in the 2nd?!?! Not a need at this point. Maybe in later rounds for depth.

    No way a center should get picked that high.

    josh Johnson in the 3rd? What about Booty?
    Branden Albert is arguably the second most talented offensive lineman in this draft.
    He can play OT, which is what we would use him as if we drafted him in the first.
    Former Texans GM Charley Casserly said he is easily a top 20 pick.

    Booty has the smallest hands of any QB in the draft...can you say the return of Fumblor?

    DT is weak after the Williams Bros.
    With as winded as those 2 get, we need a force to back them up, and Moore would be great value at that pick.
    The quality of DTs drops significantly after the second round.

    The same can be said for C.
    If we aren't planning on signing Birk, we need to find his heir apparent.
    Pollack is the best center in the draft with Justice close behind.

    Johnson is the athletic strong armed type of QB Chilly loves and "small hands" Booty is just...well, Booty.

    Anyway, I'm in class, so like I said I'll add all the stuff to back up my selections later...
    I am pretty sure he did not have this problem in college.

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    Re: jkjugglo's Realistic Dream Draft

    I actually really like Albert... and some mocks on ESPN have him going number 5 to the chiefs...

    I really like Fred Evans so i dont know if we should take a DT so early

    I dont think we would draft a center in the third maybe 4th or 5th

    and i would rather draft booty

    but i really like Brian Johnston and Bobbie Williams picks

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    Re: jkjuggalo's Realistic Dream Draft

    "jkjuggalo" wrote:
    With the 17th pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Minnesota Vikings select...

    17.
    Guard Branden Albert, U of Virginia


    The Vikings would swing him out to one of the tackle positions as he is the most versatile top Oline prospect in the draft.
    His stock has soared in recent weeks and he looks to be a sure fire top 20 pick now.
    Former Texans GM Charley Casserly believes he goes somewhere between 10 and 20.

    http://video.aol.com/video-detail/dr...ert/2549515924
    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80770cf7

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    DT Dre Moore, Maryland


    Phat Pat can only play so much longer and doesn't have the stamina to play as many snaps as we'd like.
    Fred Evans has already been in some trouble and is nothing great.
    Other than that we have Kendrick Allen and Ellis Wyms...not guys that I want to take Pat's place when he is gone.
    Dre Moore is the DT who tore up the Combine and is known as not just a run-stuffer, but a guy that is disruptive in the backfield as well.
    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8078f9fc

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    Mike Pollack, ASU


    A prototypical center for the zone-blocking scheme, Pollack has good feet and was the fastest center at the combine.
    His coaches give him lots of praise too.
    I see why some people think the 3rd is too high for a center, but the Jets took Nick Mangold at the end of round one a couple years ago, and I don't think they're complaining.
    Besides, we saw last year that TJ suffered most when the pressure came right up the middle *cough* jump-pass *cough*.
    Most sites have Pollack as their number one center and he is projected to go in round 2 or 3.
    Here is one of them.

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...php?pyid=15119

    01/22/08 - Senior Bowl Tuesday North Team Practice: Despite exchange problems yesterday, the center position appears to be one of the North's strengths, as both Arizona State's Mike Pollack and Notre Dame's John Sullivan have been impressive. Pollack is the stronger of the two and is generally the more effective run blocker. He uses his hands well and drives his opponent back. During the scrimmage, Pollack was the more consistent of the two. Pollack ranks higher in my mind because of his physicality, but Sullivan has legitimized his ranking as a mid-pivot, as well.
    Here is some combine footage (where he dominated):

    http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80775b2d

    82.
    QB Josh Johnson, San Diego


    This kid has been amazing against lesser competition.
    He had a TD-INT ratio of 36:1 and a completion percentage over 70%!
    It doesn't matter what level of competition you are playing against, you deserve to be drafted by the 3rd round with numbers like that.
    He was coached by former NFL QB Jim Harbaugh.
    Check out all the highlights against just one team:

    [youtube=425,350]mc-_xn9UTLY[/youtube]

    This is a good clip breaking down the reasons why he will make a good NFL QB:
    http://www.onnetworks.com/videos/dra...h-johnson---qb

    117. DE Brian Johnston, Gardner Webb

    Like I've said in other threads, I believe this guy is going to be the next Aaron Kampmann or Jared Allen.
    Just click the link and read about him.
    This pick could be switched with the Mike Pollack pick to ensure that we get a stud LDE.
    Then we could draft another center like Justice or Sullivan instead.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/br...hnston?id=4259

    Did I mention he ran a 4.68 40 at 6'5 276?
    That's Mario Manningham speed!

    150.
    ILB Jeremy Leman, Illinois


    Lunch-pail player that brings a lot of value with a 5th round pick.
    He could be the primary backup for E.J. and be a great ST player.
    Has great instincts and plays tough.
    A poor man's Urlacher IMO.
    Had 153 tackles last season before getting injured, which has lowered his stock.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/jeremy-leman?id=1371

    182.
    SS Bobbie Williams, Bethune Cookman


    A safety that can replace Sharper when he retires.
    This manimal is an elite athlete that plays with a ferocity that we have not seen at safety since Joey Browner.
    This highlight video says it all:

    [youtube=425,350]ONvK4cc--nw[/youtube]

    193.
    OT Thaddeus Coleman


    A mauler that is probably not ready to step right in and start, but could develop into a dominating force on the offensive line down the road.
    Plays with a mean streak as shown in this video:

    http://www.onnetworks.com/videos/dra...s-coleman---ol

    209.
    DE Eric Foster, Rutgers


    Played DT at Rutgers, but his size projects him to be a DE in the NFL.
    Has the quickness and burst needed to be a pass-rusher and plays with the strength and leverage to shed larger blockers during the runs.
    Was a team leader on the upstart Scarlet Knights.
    Check out his video:

    http://www.onnetworks.com/videos/dra...ic-foster---dl

    Feel free to praise and/or retort.

    Here is the updated semi-comprehensive version complete with links to stats and/or highlights and my reasoning behind each pick.
    I really suggest at least watching the Bobbie Williams, Josh Johnson, and Eric Foster videos.
    They are tight.
    Rock out with your cock out!!!

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    Re: jkjuggalo's Realistic Dream Draft

    Great stuff as always my friend.
    You even put more work into this stuff than I do.
    ;D

    Not sure about a couple of the selections as I don't know if someone else would/could be available but I agree with the positions you are addressing.

    I really like Albert.
    He would depth at G and T and could start at either position right off the bat and would nullify the McKinnie questions that still linger.

    I would much rather have Flacco or Booty over Johnson but at this point any of those 5 or 6 will make me happy.

    I've been saying two DE's for quite a while.

    Not sure if they will draft a Center because of Mozes but that guy is in fact a good one.

    Again, great stuff my friend.
    You gonna be online during the draft?


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    I don't know about Branden Albert.

    He played with two GREAT offensive tackles in his tenure at UVA.

    D'Brickishaw Ferguson, #3 overall pick 2 years ago and Eugene Monroe, junior, #1 offensive line prospect coming out of high school(Plainfield, NJ) who I played against.

    And that video doesn't sell me on Josh Johnson at all. It only shows him making like 4 throws. The rest is running, and defensive plays.

    I want to see guys making NFL quality throws.

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    "Marrdro" wrote:
    Great stuff as always my friend.
    You even put more work into this stuff than I do.

    ;D

    Not sure about a couple of the selections as I don't know if someone else would/could be available but I agree with the positions you are addressing.

    I really like Albert.
    He would depth at G and T and could start at either position right off the bat and would nullify the McKinnie questions that still linger.

    I would much rather have Flacco or Booty over Johnson but at this point any of those 5 or 6 will make me happy.

    I've been saying two DE's for quite a while.

    Not sure if they will draft a Center because of Mozes but that guy is in fact a good one.

    Again, great stuff my friend.
    You gonna be online during the draft?


    Only if I call in sick to work like I did last year. ;D
    Most likely I will just DVR it and watch it after work, so in all likelihood I will be avoiding the Internet, TV, and radio all day.

    As far as your other comments, I like Flacco, but think he will be gone by our 3rd round pick.
    I also think that the FO will not draft him in the 2nd unless they are really sold on him supplanting TJack.


    I just don't like JD Booty.
    Like I said in an earlier post, he has the smallest hands of any QB in the draft.
    Those small hands don't translate well into playing in cold climates like GB and Chicago.
    USC quarterbacks are usually overrated and don't become great NFL players.
    I would say that Booty is worth a 5th round pick, but not a 3rd.


    Josh Johnson has similar traits to TJack except he has incredible college stats and is even faster (4.40 40).
    He has a great arm and can make all the throws.
    He is also a natural leader.

    I don't know much about Mozes other than that he was undrafted.
    If Birk is gone after this season, I would like to have 2 young guys to battle it out for the starting position anyway.
    Pollack is the best center this year, so if we can get him and groom him for a year, he would probably be the man for the job.

    Thanks for the kind words and yes, I do spend way to much time studying the draft (when I should be doing homework).
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    I don't know about Branden Albert.

    He played with two GREAT offensive tackles in his tenure at UVA.

    D'Brickishaw Ferguson, #3 overall pick 2 years ago and Eugene Monroe, junior, #1 offensive line prospect coming out of high school(Plainfield, NJ) who I played against.

    And that video doesn't sell me on Josh Johnson at all. It only shows him making like 4 throws. The rest is running, and defensive plays.

    I want to see guys making NFL quality throws.
    I assume you are talking about the nfldraftguys video.
    You are right, they don't show a lot of throws, they just talk about why he will make a good QB.
    I guess they expect us to take their word for it.
    But if you watch the YouTube clip, you can see him make a lot of good throws, including an out route to the far side of the field.
    JJ also has some nice runs on there.

    As far as Albert goes, are you saying that he is overvalued since he played next to 2 stud LTs?
    I think that he was possibly made a guard for a couple reasons:
    1. because the other 2 guys didn't have the ability to play both positions as well as Albert.

    2. because he could not supplant 2 top 5 LT prospects

    Maybe we should wait a year and go after Monroe.
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