Thread: Jared Allen vs the picks we gave up

I can't take total credit for this as I got the stats from a different Message board But I think you get the idea.

If you want a better idea of how these picks may or may not
turn out, here is what the #17, 73, and 82 picks have been since pretty much the "modern draft" I still hear people say we gave up to much. (a few are Pack Fans ) Most people will know the players from at lest 2000 until now.

2007
17. DEN - Jarvis Moss DE
73. HOU - Jacoby Jones WR
82. KC - Tank Tyler DT

2006
17. MIN - Chad Greenway LB
73. CHI - Dusty Dvoracek DT
82. MIA - Derek Hagan WR

2005
17. CIN - David Pollack LB
73. HOU - Vernand Morency RB
82. NO - Alfred Fincher LB

2004
17. DEN - D.J. Williams LB
73. DET - Keith Smith CB
82. BAL - Devard Darling WR

2003
17. ARI - Bryant Johnson WR
73. SEA - Wayne Hunter T
82. CAR - Ricky Manning CB

2002
17. OAK - Phillip Buchanon CB
73. CAR - Will Witherspoon LB
82. NO - James Allen LB

2001
17. SEA - Steve Hutchinson OG
73. JAC - Eric Westmoreland LB
82. SEA - Heath Evans RB

2000
17. OAK - Sebastian Janikowski K
73. NYG - Ron Dixon WR
82. CAR - Leander Jordan OG

1999
17. NE - Damien Woody C
73. PIT - Joey Porter LB
82. SEA - Karsten Bailey WR

1998
17. CIN - Brian Simmons LB
73. CAR - Mitch Marrow DE
82. MIA - Larry Shannon WR

1997
17. WAS - Kenard Lang DE
73. MIA - Jason Taylor DE
82. PIT - Paul Wiggins OT

1996
17. DET - Reggie Brown LB
73. CAR - Winslow Oliver RB
82. IND - Scott Slutzker

1995
17. NYG - Tyrone Wheatley RB
73. GB - Brian Williams LB
82. STL - Steve McLaughlin K

1994
17. PIT - Charles Johnson WR
73. SEA - Lamar Smith RB
82. SD - Willie Clark CB

1993
17. WAS - Tom Carter CB
73. LAR - Russell White RB
82. TB - John Lynch S

1992
17. DAL - Kevin Smith CB
73. ATL - Howard Dinkins LB
82. DAL - James Brown OT

1991
17. WAS - Bobby Wilson DT
73. PIT - Ernie Mills WR
82. BUF - Darryl Wren DB

1990
17. DAL - Emmitt Smith RB
73. CLE - Anthony Pleasant DE
82. DEN - Jeroy Robinson LB

1989
17. PHO - Joe Wolf OG
73. NE - Chris Gannon DE
82. BUF - Don Beebe WR

1988
17. NE - John Stephens RB
73. MIA - Ferrell Edmunds TE
82. LAR - Mike Piel NT

1987
17. CIN - Jason Buck DE
73. KC - Todd Howard LB
82. CLE - Jeff Jaeger

1986
17. ATL - Tim Green LB
73. NYG - John Washington DE
82. CHI - David Williams WR

1985
17. DAL - Kevin Brooks DE
73. NYG - Brian Johnston C
82. HOU - Mike Kelley C

1984
17. STL - Clyde Duncan WR
73. SF - Guy McIntyre OG
82. BUF - Speedy Neal RB

1983
17. STL - Leonard Smith DB
73. MIN - Walker Lee Ashley LB
82. OAK - Tony Caldwell LB

1982
17. TB - Sean Farrell OG
73. STL - Rusty Guilbeau LB
82. CIN - Rodney Holman TE

1981
17. PIT - Keith Gary DE
73. PIT - Rick Donnalley C
82. PHI - Greg LaFleur TE

1980
17. LAR - Johnnie Johnson DB
73. NE - Steve McMichael DT
82. LAR - Phil Murphy DT

1979
17. ATL - Don Smith NT
73. SD - Cliff Thrift LB
82. SF - Joe Montana QB

1978
17. TB - Doug Williams QB
73. HOU - Gifford Nielsen QB
82. OAK - Lindsey Mason OT

1977
17. CLE - Robert Jackson LB
73. BUF - John Kimbrough WR
82. NE - Sidney Brown DB

1976
17. MIA - Larry Gordon LB
73. DAL - Duke Ferguson WR
82. CIN - Reggie Williams LB

1975
17. DEN - Louis Wright DB
73. SD - Mike Fuller DB
82. CLE - Tony Peters DB

1974
17. MIN - Fred McNeil LB
73. CIN - Evan Jolitz LB
82. PIT - John Stallworth

1973
17. DET - Ernie Price DE
73. NE - Charles Davis
82. NE - Allen Gallaher

1972
17. NYG - Eldridge Small DB
73. NE - Jim White DE
82. STL - Leff Lyman LB

1971
17. STL - Norm Thompson DB
73. OAK - Warren Koegel C
82. NO - Carlos Bell TE

1970
17. SF - Bruce Taylor DB
73. DAL - Steve Kiner LB
82. BUF - Jerry Gantt

1969
17. NO - John Shinners OG
73. STL - Terry Brown DB
82. PIT - Bob Campbell

1968
17. NYJ - Lee White RB
73. MIA - Dick Anderson DB
82. CIN - Paul Robinson RB

1967
17. OAK - Gene Upshaw OG
73. PIT - Rocky Freitas OT
82. NYG - Louis Thompson

yeah i think we didnt give up too much

IMPRESSIVE!

BUT you could do that with EVERY player and end up making the person traded for look bad by comparison.

Just goes to show that the draft is a crap shoot...and that a bird in the hand is STILL better than two in the bush.

Nice breakdown. As soon as the trade happened I saw what we gave up and thought it might be a little much (mainly because I love watching the draft and the vikes then had few picks). But, since that initial point I really think the FO made the right choice in bringing in Jared Allen. Not only is he a GREAT football player, he instantly brings more credibility to a defense that is already one of the tops in the league. He also brings a fun-loving nature, he loves the game, he plays hard, and that is going to rub off on his teammates.

As for the draft picks, after looking at the third round picks from the last few years (at the positions the vikes gave up) they are not missing out on a whole lot. Plus, with all of their wheeling and dealing I think they did a great job of still bringing in guys who were not only steals at their draft position but also needs for this team. I'm anxious for the season and to watch Jared Allen tear up opposing tackles!!

Very interesting stuff.

I would say that what really matters is not what happened in the past, but what happened in this draft.
Not sure if we would have taken the same guys at 17 but it is interesting to look at what was taken and who else was avail at those picks.

17. Gosder Cherilus
Next 5 taken
Joe Flacco
Jeff Otah
Aqib Talib
Sam Baker
Felix Jones

73. Jamaal Charles
Next 5 off the board
Dan Connor
Reggie Smith
Brad Cottam
Pat Sims
Shawn Crable

82. DaJuan Morgan
Next 5 off the board
Jeremy Zuttah
Harry Douglas
Craig Stevens
Tom Zbikowski
Andre Fluellen

"Marrdro" wrote:

Very interesting stuff.

I would say that what really matters is not what happened in the past, but what happened in this draft.
Not sure if we would have taken the same guys at 17 but it is interesting to look at what was taken and who else was avail at those picks.

17. Gosder Cherilus
Next 5 taken
Joe Flacco
Jeff Otah
Aqib Talib
Sam Baker
Felix Jones

73. Jamaal Charles
Next 5 off the board
Dan Connor
Reggie Smith
Brad Cottam
Pat Sims
Shawn Crable

82. DaJuan Morgan
Next 5 off the board
Jeremy Zuttah
Harry Douglas
Craig Stevens
Tom Zbikowski
Andre Fluellen

Meh, I've got my money on JA outplaying all of those guys ... AT THE SAME TIME! Seriously though I'll take our draft (including Allen of course) over any situation that could have played out from having those three picks we gave up.

"stateVIKE44" wrote:

"Marrdro" wrote:

Very interesting stuff.

I would say that what really matters is not what happened in the past, but what happened in this draft.
Not sure if we would have taken the same guys at 17 but it is interesting to look at what was taken and who else was avail at those picks.

17. Gosder Cherilus
Next 5 taken
Joe Flacco
Jeff Otah
Aqib Talib
Sam Baker
Felix Jones

73. Jamaal Charles
Next 5 off the board
Dan Connor
Reggie Smith
Brad Cottam
Pat Sims
Shawn Crable

82. DaJuan Morgan
Next 5 off the board
Jeremy Zuttah
Harry Douglas
Craig Stevens
Tom Zbikowski
Andre Fluellen

Meh, I've got my money on JA outplaying all of those guys ... AT THE SAME TIME! Seriously though I'll take our draft (including Allen of course) over any situation that could have played out from having those three picks we gave up.

I agree, however, if we would have kept the picks I would also have been happy with Otah or Baker at 17, Tyrell Johnson at 43, Pat Sims at 73 and Stevens at 82.

Of course we know that the Vikes value board might have someone else there that fit thier needs.
;D

Eh ... I am middle of the road on this. If we had kept the picks we were going defensive end at 17 ... and we could not do better than Mr. Allen.
I like where we ended up and think we actually drafted fairly well. I would not go back on the deal with a second offer.

look at what jacksonville gave up for their move upward.. that would have been the same move for us. and.. just as it shows.. We got a proven DE, extremely good talent and not having to wait 2-3 years for his production.

+ he's 26.. he'll be going strong for the full length of the contract!!

we did the move in a compete now ideal.. this is our window we need to jump on it and launch the next few years with the depth we are building in the draft. we should be looking very well setup for this, and the next few years.


so based on this opinion. no. i don't think we over compensated the Chiefs.. and no i don't this they will suffer as much as people think. they are rebuilding. and had a significant number of pics. seems to me it's a full on win/win situation.

DiGiTaL

"midgensa" wrote:

Eh ... I am middle of the road on this. If we had kept the picks we were going defensive end at 17 ... and we could not do better than Mr. Allen.
I like where we ended up and think we actually drafted fairly well. I would not go back on the deal with a second offer.

Don't get me wrong, I am much happier with Allen than any of those guys at this point and time and you know how much I hate to give up draft picks for vets.

IMHO this was a good thing.