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    Re: Fred Evans Re-Signs

    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    Brace plays a role like Fat Phat and Raji plays a K-will role

    Raji don't just look at his height and speed and think he is a one gap guy.. Many are saying now he can play anything.. he is a freak.. he was like the K-will on BC

    Brace was a space eater and occasional sack guy

    So depending on what you want to pair up with K-will you can either go Brace or jerry if we go DT this year.. Either way if we do look at DT I wouldn't mind.. Kevin is a good run stopper anyway.. And I think Jerry could be as well.. Not just be a space eater
    Lest we forget, if we don't collapse the pocket, all the QB has to do is step up into it and avoid the DE's as the T's will take them wide.

    Having said that, I agree, we don't need to burn a early round big bodied space eaters are a dime a dozen.


    The replacement we get for Phat Pat needs to be a clone of him and he isn't just a big bodied space eater My Sexy Little Pixie.
    He actually takes up space and can collapse the pocket.

    The way I read the scouting reports on Raji and Jerry, both of them can do that.

    Right. Pat will be difficult to replace. He also has lateral speed for a big guy. And he has an attitude of pursuit until the whistle blows.
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    Re: Fred Evans Re-Signs

    "jargomcfargo" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    Brace plays a role like Fat Phat and Raji plays a K-will role

    Raji don't just look at his height and speed and think he is a one gap guy.. Many are saying now he can play anything.. he is a freak.. he was like the K-will on BC

    Brace was a space eater and occasional sack guy

    So depending on what you want to pair up with K-will you can either go Brace or jerry if we go DT this year.. Either way if we do look at DT I wouldn't mind.. Kevin is a good run stopper anyway.. And I think Jerry could be as well.. Not just be a space eater
    Lest we forget, if we don't collapse the pocket, all the QB has to do is step up into it and avoid the DE's as the T's will take them wide.

    Having said that, I agree, we don't need to burn a early round big bodied space eaters are a dime a dozen.


    The replacement we get for Phat Pat needs to be a clone of him and he isn't just a big bodied space eater My Sexy Little Pixie.
    He actually takes up space and can collapse the pocket.

    The way I read the scouting reports on Raji and Jerry, both of them can do that.

    Right. Pat will be [s]difficult[/s] impossible to replace. He also has lateral speed for a big guy. And he has an attitude of persuit until the whissle blows.
    Fixed it for you.

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    Re: Fred Evans Re-Signs

    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    Brace plays a role like Fat Phat and Raji plays a K-will role

    Raji don't just look at his height and speed and think he is a one gap guy.. Many are saying now he can play anything.. he is a freak.. he was like the K-will on BC

    Brace was a space eater and occasional sack guy

    So depending on what you want to pair up with K-will you can either go Brace or jerry if we go DT this year.. Either way if we do look at DT I wouldn't mind.. Kevin is a good run stopper anyway.. And I think Jerry could be as well.. Not just be a space eater
    Lest we forget, if we don't collapse the pocket, all the QB has to do is step up into it and avoid the DE's as the T's will take them wide.

    Having said that, I agree, we don't need to burn a early round big bodied space eaters are a dime a dozen.


    The replacement we get for Phat Pat needs to be a clone of him and he isn't just a big bodied space eater my friend.
    He actually takes up space and can collapse the pocket.

    The way I read the scouting reports on Raji and Jerry, both of them can do that.



    If all one had to do was stand up and sit there and "eat space" you wouldn't need to draft anyone.. Just get someone fat

    Of course you need someone to collapse the pocket my man

    Brace and Jerry both seem to be able to do that.. Brace is more of a bull rush kinda guy.. Jerry is more of a finese kinda guy

    All depends what the coaches prefer if we end up going DT which I highly doubt we will this year.. it isn't a big need

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    Re: Fred Evans Re-Signs

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    Brace plays a role like Fat Phat and Raji plays a K-will role

    Raji don't just look at his height and speed and think he is a one gap guy.. Many are saying now he can play anything.. he is a freak.. he was like the K-will on BC

    Brace was a space eater and occasional sack guy

    So depending on what you want to pair up with K-will you can either go Brace or jerry if we go DT this year.. Either way if we do look at DT I wouldn't mind.. Kevin is a good run stopper anyway.. And I think Jerry could be as well.. Not just be a space eater
    Lest we forget, if we don't collapse the pocket, all the QB has to do is step up into it and avoid the DE's as the T's will take them wide.

    Having said that, I agree, we don't need to burn a early round big bodied space eaters are a dime a dozen.


    The replacement we get for Phat Pat needs to be a clone of him and he isn't just a big bodied space eater My Sexy Little Pixie.
    He actually takes up space and can collapse the pocket.

    The way I read the scouting reports on Raji and Jerry, both of them can do that.

    I rarely see Phat Pat get up the field, and the only times I remember him getting sacks where when the QB stepped up in the pocket into his lap.
    He's an all pro player but he is a liability on passing downs which is why they moved Robison inside on passing downs.

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    Re: Fred Evans Re-Signs

    "DiehardVikesFan" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    Brace plays a role like Fat Phat and Raji plays a K-will role

    Raji don't just look at his height and speed and think he is a one gap guy.. Many are saying now he can play anything.. he is a freak.. he was like the K-will on BC

    Brace was a space eater and occasional sack guy

    So depending on what you want to pair up with K-will you can either go Brace or jerry if we go DT this year.. Either way if we do look at DT I wouldn't mind.. Kevin is a good run stopper anyway.. And I think Jerry could be as well.. Not just be a space eater
    Lest we forget, if we don't collapse the pocket, all the QB has to do is step up into it and avoid the DE's as the T's will take them wide.

    Having said that, I agree, we don't need to burn a early round big bodied space eaters are a dime a dozen.


    The replacement we get for Phat Pat needs to be a clone of him and he isn't just a big bodied space eater My Sexy Little Pixie.
    He actually takes up space and can collapse the pocket.

    The way I read the scouting reports on Raji and Jerry, both of them can do that.

    I rarely see Phat Pat get up the field, and the only times I remember him getting sacks where when the QB stepped up in the pocket into his lap.
    He's an all pro player but he is a liability on passing downs which is why they moved Robison inside on passing downs.
    But Pat usually draws a double team, giving KW room to roam. It's really just the perfect example of how a NT and DT should operate in a 4-3. Both KW and PW are essential to our defense.

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    Re: Fred Evans Re-Signs

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    "DiehardVikesFan" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    Brace plays a role like Fat Phat and Raji plays a K-will role

    Raji don't just look at his height and speed and think he is a one gap guy.. Many are saying now he can play anything.. he is a freak.. he was like the K-will on BC

    Brace was a space eater and occasional sack guy

    So depending on what you want to pair up with K-will you can either go Brace or jerry if we go DT this year.. Either way if we do look at DT I wouldn't mind.. Kevin is a good run stopper anyway.. And I think Jerry could be as well.. Not just be a space eater
    Lest we forget, if we don't collapse the pocket, all the QB has to do is step up into it and avoid the DE's as the T's will take them wide.

    Having said that, I agree, we don't need to burn a early round big bodied space eaters are a dime a dozen.


    The replacement we get for Phat Pat needs to be a clone of him and he isn't just a big bodied space eater My Sexy Little Pixie.
    He actually takes up space and can collapse the pocket.

    The way I read the scouting reports on Raji and Jerry, both of them can do that.

    I rarely see Phat Pat get up the field, and the only times I remember him getting sacks where when the QB stepped up in the pocket into his lap.
    He's an all pro player but he is a liability on passing downs which is why they moved Robison inside on passing downs.
    But Pat usually draws a double team, giving KW room to roam. It's really just the perfect example of how a NT and DT should operate in a 4-3. Both KW and PW are essential to our defense.
    Why would any other team double Pat Williams on a pass play when Kevin Williams and Jared Allen are on the field?
    Typically you will have 5 guys to block 4 and maybe a running back staying in to pick up the blitz.
    You can only double one guy and maybe chip on the end.

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    Re: Fred Evans Re-Signs

    "Marrdro" wrote:
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    Sorta figured he would. He was tendered a while ago.
    On Vikings Weekly a couple weeks ago, he acted like he was on the team. It was just a matter of time. Now we can stop all this DT in the 1st nonsense.

    +1

    Not that I think we would take an undersized dude like Jerry to try to replace Pat anyway
    Fred Evans DT 6-4 305
    Peria Jerry DT 6-2 299

    ;D ;D ;D ;D
    He is under the size of Evans.
    Plus isn't Jerry an run/pass guy. IMO we should replace Pat with a run stuffer.

    Needs to play stronger at the point against the run
    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/peria-jerry?id=79585#player-profile-tab-set-1layer-profile-tab-analysis

    1. B.J. Raji Boston College 6-11/2 337 5.13

    2. Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6-13/4 299 5.00

    3. Evander Hood Missouri 6-27/8 300 4.89

    4. Ron Brace Boston College 6-3 334 5.52

    http://www.draftcountdown.com/rankings/dt.php

    Brace
    http://www.draftcountdown.com/scouti.../Ron-Brace.phphttp://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/p...ospect_ID=1829

    Jerry
    http://www.draftcountdown.com/scouti...eria-Jerry.php
    http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/p...ospect_ID=1675

    I wonder how good Brace would be if he didn't have his buddy Raji taking all the heat allowing him to have free access to the backfield.
    And even then he couldn't stay healthy.
    Nope, don't need another Erasmus James (can't stay healthy) cat on this team.

    (Truth be told if they took any of the top 4 DT's I would be happy.
    If one of the top DT tackles aren't available at the right value pick, a late round guy that might be worth a look is Roy Miller---
    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/roy-miller?id=79611

    Not much info on him from the scouts, but the guy was very productive in college and has a solid frame with a lot of strength.
    Might be able to get him in rounds 5-7 according to projections.

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    Re: Fred Evans Re-Signs

    "DiehardVikesFan" wrote:
    "jessejames09" wrote:
    "DiehardVikesFan" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    Brace plays a role like Fat Phat and Raji plays a K-will role

    Raji don't just look at his height and speed and think he is a one gap guy.. Many are saying now he can play anything.. he is a freak.. he was like the K-will on BC

    Brace was a space eater and occasional sack guy

    So depending on what you want to pair up with K-will you can either go Brace or jerry if we go DT this year.. Either way if we do look at DT I wouldn't mind.. Kevin is a good run stopper anyway.. And I think Jerry could be as well.. Not just be a space eater
    Lest we forget, if we don't collapse the pocket, all the QB has to do is step up into it and avoid the DE's as the T's will take them wide.

    Having said that, I agree, we don't need to burn a early round big bodied space eaters are a dime a dozen.


    The replacement we get for Phat Pat needs to be a clone of him and he isn't just a big bodied space eater My Sexy Little Pixie.
    He actually takes up space and can collapse the pocket.

    The way I read the scouting reports on Raji and Jerry, both of them can do that.

    I rarely see Phat Pat get up the field, and the only times I remember him getting sacks where when the QB stepped up in the pocket into his lap.
    He's an all pro player but he is a liability on passing downs which is why they moved Robison inside on passing downs.
    But Pat usually draws a double team, giving KW room to roam. It's really just the perfect example of how a NT and DT should operate in a 4-3. Both KW and PW are essential to our defense.
    Why would any other team double Pat Williams on a pass play when Kevin Williams and Jared Allen are on the field?
    Typically you will have 5 guys to block 4 and maybe a running back staying in to pick up the blitz.
    You can only double one guy and maybe chip on the end.
    Pat requires 2 blockers because he's a physical anomaly, he's bigger and stronger yet quicker than most DTs. You can't block Pat Williams one on one, I'm sure teams have tried, but seeing as one guard is about half the man Pat is, there's some overlap there. A 'gray area' of unblocked mass if you will.


    Pat Williams eats lineman for dinner my friend.

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    Re: Fred Evans Re-Signs

    very glad about evans signing, really good depth player and we need bodies on that D-Line, considering what we have cooking with the Williams Wall

    Btw 2k post ;=)


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    good, solid backup player


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