Thread: Draft OL in first round!

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094620

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094617

b. I do like the idea of Cook, but he is a FA and I don't think the staff will sign him back, especially if he gets offers higher than what we saw Hicks get.

Didn't we offer him an RFA tender? I thought that was the case.

Hmmmmm, I missed that one.

Rotowire

Excellent catch. Explains why Leslie was talking him up when it came to a bigger role in a few articles. I just assumed Leslie was smoking crack or something.:lol:

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094617

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094594

Firstly, worth mentioning, I've never been a fan of drafting OL high this season.

I DON"T think OT is as big a priority as people think. Upgrading Mac is a luxury, not a necessity. Yes, he's big, slow and gives up a fair number of sacks, but he's still easily in the top-half of the league for LT's.

Load had a great rookie year, but regressed. Not sure if there's some undisclosed injury, or what the problem is. If he can come back to form, I'll be happy with that. He gets another year.

Hutch needs a replacement, might be DeGeare, might be someone else. He's only got a couple years left in the tank

Herrerra has played hurt the past two years, if healthy, I hope he can return to form as well. If not, we need to look at an alternative.

Sullivan is really the only player that I think NEEDS to be replaced. He's simply not big enough to take on nosetackles. He gets pushed around, and pushed back into the QB. A collapsed pocket is not a good pocket. Hell, when Cook was in there I thought things looked a bit more consistent.

So I'd be all for drafting a big C/G-type lineman, preferably one who can play both positions. This way, if Sullivan has had some miraculous improvement in skill, he stays and this guy works at RG, competing with Herrera.

If Herrera comes back completely healthy, then he pushes for the C spot.

Another fine assesment.

Only discussion point I see in there is the C discussion.

For me, the following applies:

a. None of the C's this year seem to be worth drafting as most of them are just as small as Sully (6'4"/301 lbs) and are projected to be best fits in ZBing schemes.

# Name Pos School Ht Wt Spd
#1 Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State 6ft 3.0in 313 5.26
#2 Kristofer ODowd C USC 6ft 4.1in 304 5.16
#3 Brandon Fusco C Slippery Rock 6ft 4.1in 300 5.20
#4 Zane Taylor C Utah 6ft 2.4in 309 5.61
#5 Jake Kirkpatrick C Texas Christian 6ft 1.7in 300 5.32
#6 Tim Barnes C Missouri 6ft 3.0in 305 5.20
#7 Ryan Bartholomew C Syracuse 6ft 1.1in 302 4.97
#8 Ryan McMahon C Florida State 6ft 3.0in 285 5.10
#9 Ryan Pugh C Auburn 6ft 4.0in 300 5.15
#10 Colin Baxter C Arizona 6ft 2.5in 311 5.42

b. I do like the idea of Cook, but he is a FA and I don't think the staff will sign him back, especially if he gets offers higher than what we saw Hicks get.

c. The Herrera idea bares some consideration even though I didn't like what I saw last year. Maybe the scheme change will help him adjust to the role. I think he pulls good enough and has the smarts to make the line adjustments.

In the end, if you want to upgrade our Center position I think it will have to be done via FA (or as you alude, from the current roster) and not with someone drafted out of this class.

I wish 10/20 yard splits were more accessible. I can't find the info anywhere. I'm a lot more concerned about those numbers, as well as broad and vertical jumps, the short shuttle, and 3 cone drill for linemen. Guys who pair good numbers in those drills with a big body are pretty safe if they have the right mentality.

Which is why I like Moffitt so much. 6'4" 320, went over 30" in the vertical, 4.5 in the short shuttle, and is just a mean dude on the field. If I were making the picks, there's no way I'd let him slip by in the 4th round. If I saw he had a 10 yard shuttle around 1.8-1.85 and went under 3 in the 20 I'd be willing to bet he's a top pulling guard in the NFL within 4 years.

Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1094637

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094617

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094594

Firstly, worth mentioning, I've never been a fan of drafting OL high this season.

I DON"T think OT is as big a priority as people think. Upgrading Mac is a luxury, not a necessity. Yes, he's big, slow and gives up a fair number of sacks, but he's still easily in the top-half of the league for LT's.

Load had a great rookie year, but regressed. Not sure if there's some undisclosed injury, or what the problem is. If he can come back to form, I'll be happy with that. He gets another year.

Hutch needs a replacement, might be DeGeare, might be someone else. He's only got a couple years left in the tank

Herrerra has played hurt the past two years, if healthy, I hope he can return to form as well. If not, we need to look at an alternative.

Sullivan is really the only player that I think NEEDS to be replaced. He's simply not big enough to take on nosetackles. He gets pushed around, and pushed back into the QB. A collapsed pocket is not a good pocket. Hell, when Cook was in there I thought things looked a bit more consistent.

So I'd be all for drafting a big C/G-type lineman, preferably one who can play both positions. This way, if Sullivan has had some miraculous improvement in skill, he stays and this guy works at RG, competing with Herrera.

If Herrera comes back completely healthy, then he pushes for the C spot.

Another fine assesment.

Only discussion point I see in there is the C discussion.

For me, the following applies:

a. None of the C's this year seem to be worth drafting as most of them are just as small as Sully (6'4"/301 lbs) and are projected to be best fits in ZBing schemes.

# Name Pos School Ht Wt Spd
#1 Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State 6ft 3.0in 313 5.26
#2 Kristofer ODowd C USC 6ft 4.1in 304 5.16
#3 Brandon Fusco C Slippery Rock 6ft 4.1in 300 5.20
#4 Zane Taylor C Utah 6ft 2.4in 309 5.61
#5 Jake Kirkpatrick C Texas Christian 6ft 1.7in 300 5.32
#6 Tim Barnes C Missouri 6ft 3.0in 305 5.20
#7 Ryan Bartholomew C Syracuse 6ft 1.1in 302 4.97
#8 Ryan McMahon C Florida State 6ft 3.0in 285 5.10
#9 Ryan Pugh C Auburn 6ft 4.0in 300 5.15
#10 Colin Baxter C Arizona 6ft 2.5in 311 5.42

b. I do like the idea of Cook, but he is a FA and I don't think the staff will sign him back, especially if he gets offers higher than what we saw Hicks get.

c. The Herrera idea bares some consideration even though I didn't like what I saw last year. Maybe the scheme change will help him adjust to the role. I think he pulls good enough and has the smarts to make the line adjustments.

In the end, if you want to upgrade our Center position I think it will have to be done via FA (or as you alude, from the current roster) and not with someone drafted out of this class.

I wish 10/20 yard splits were more accessible. I can't find the info anywhere. I'm a lot more concerned about those numbers, as well as broad and vertical jumps, the short shuttle, and 3 cone drill for linemen. Guys who pair good numbers in those drills with a big body are pretty safe if they have the right mentality.

Which is why I like Moffitt so much. 6'4" 320, went over 30" in the vertical, 4.5 in the short shuttle, and is just a mean dude on the field. If I were making the picks, there's no way I'd let him slip by in the 4th round. If I saw he had a 10 yard shuttle around 1.8-1.85 and went under 3 in the 20 I'd be willing to bet he's a top pulling guard in the NFL within 4 years.

Its out there, you just have to dig for it.......Don't see Moffitt on here though. Let me keep digging.

Look on the right side of this page.

OL Splits

On a side note, when I was working my 7 rounder, Austins splits were what made me happy he was there in the second.

Edit.......

Moffitt splits included in the chart at the bottom

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094639

Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1094637

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094617

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094594

Firstly, worth mentioning, I've never been a fan of drafting OL high this season.

I DON"T think OT is as big a priority as people think. Upgrading Mac is a luxury, not a necessity. Yes, he's big, slow and gives up a fair number of sacks, but he's still easily in the top-half of the league for LT's.

Load had a great rookie year, but regressed. Not sure if there's some undisclosed injury, or what the problem is. If he can come back to form, I'll be happy with that. He gets another year.

Hutch needs a replacement, might be DeGeare, might be someone else. He's only got a couple years left in the tank

Herrerra has played hurt the past two years, if healthy, I hope he can return to form as well. If not, we need to look at an alternative.

Sullivan is really the only player that I think NEEDS to be replaced. He's simply not big enough to take on nosetackles. He gets pushed around, and pushed back into the QB. A collapsed pocket is not a good pocket. Hell, when Cook was in there I thought things looked a bit more consistent.

So I'd be all for drafting a big C/G-type lineman, preferably one who can play both positions. This way, if Sullivan has had some miraculous improvement in skill, he stays and this guy works at RG, competing with Herrera.

If Herrera comes back completely healthy, then he pushes for the C spot.

Another fine assesment.

Only discussion point I see in there is the C discussion.

For me, the following applies:

a. None of the C's this year seem to be worth drafting as most of them are just as small as Sully (6'4"/301 lbs) and are projected to be best fits in ZBing schemes.

# Name Pos School Ht Wt Spd
#1 Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State 6ft 3.0in 313 5.26
#2 Kristofer ODowd C USC 6ft 4.1in 304 5.16
#3 Brandon Fusco C Slippery Rock 6ft 4.1in 300 5.20
#4 Zane Taylor C Utah 6ft 2.4in 309 5.61
#5 Jake Kirkpatrick C Texas Christian 6ft 1.7in 300 5.32
#6 Tim Barnes C Missouri 6ft 3.0in 305 5.20
#7 Ryan Bartholomew C Syracuse 6ft 1.1in 302 4.97
#8 Ryan McMahon C Florida State 6ft 3.0in 285 5.10
#9 Ryan Pugh C Auburn 6ft 4.0in 300 5.15
#10 Colin Baxter C Arizona 6ft 2.5in 311 5.42

b. I do like the idea of Cook, but he is a FA and I don't think the staff will sign him back, especially if he gets offers higher than what we saw Hicks get.

c. The Herrera idea bares some consideration even though I didn't like what I saw last year. Maybe the scheme change will help him adjust to the role. I think he pulls good enough and has the smarts to make the line adjustments.

In the end, if you want to upgrade our Center position I think it will have to be done via FA (or as you alude, from the current roster) and not with someone drafted out of this class.

I wish 10/20 yard splits were more accessible. I can't find the info anywhere. I'm a lot more concerned about those numbers, as well as broad and vertical jumps, the short shuttle, and 3 cone drill for linemen. Guys who pair good numbers in those drills with a big body are pretty safe if they have the right mentality.

Which is why I like Moffitt so much. 6'4" 320, went over 30" in the vertical, 4.5 in the short shuttle, and is just a mean dude on the field. If I were making the picks, there's no way I'd let him slip by in the 4th round. If I saw he had a 10 yard shuttle around 1.8-1.85 and went under 3 in the 20 I'd be willing to bet he's a top pulling guard in the NFL within 4 years.

Its out there, you just have to dig for it.......Don't see Moffitt on here though. Let me keep digging.

Look on the right side of this page.

OL Splits

On a side note, when I was working my 7 rounder, Austins splits were what made me happy he was there in the second.

Edit.......

Moffitt splits included in the chart at the bottom

That's Ben Moffitt of USF(who appears to be an impressive athlete) not John Moffitt of Wisconsin.

Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1094640

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094639

Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1094637

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094617

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094594

Firstly, worth mentioning, I've never been a fan of drafting OL high this season.

I DON"T think OT is as big a priority as people think. Upgrading Mac is a luxury, not a necessity. Yes, he's big, slow and gives up a fair number of sacks, but he's still easily in the top-half of the league for LT's.

Load had a great rookie year, but regressed. Not sure if there's some undisclosed injury, or what the problem is. If he can come back to form, I'll be happy with that. He gets another year.

Hutch needs a replacement, might be DeGeare, might be someone else. He's only got a couple years left in the tank

Herrerra has played hurt the past two years, if healthy, I hope he can return to form as well. If not, we need to look at an alternative.

Sullivan is really the only player that I think NEEDS to be replaced. He's simply not big enough to take on nosetackles. He gets pushed around, and pushed back into the QB. A collapsed pocket is not a good pocket. Hell, when Cook was in there I thought things looked a bit more consistent.

So I'd be all for drafting a big C/G-type lineman, preferably one who can play both positions. This way, if Sullivan has had some miraculous improvement in skill, he stays and this guy works at RG, competing with Herrera.

If Herrera comes back completely healthy, then he pushes for the C spot.

Another fine assesment.

Only discussion point I see in there is the C discussion.

For me, the following applies:

a. None of the C's this year seem to be worth drafting as most of them are just as small as Sully (6'4"/301 lbs) and are projected to be best fits in ZBing schemes.

# Name Pos School Ht Wt Spd
#1 Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State 6ft 3.0in 313 5.26
#2 Kristofer ODowd C USC 6ft 4.1in 304 5.16
#3 Brandon Fusco C Slippery Rock 6ft 4.1in 300 5.20
#4 Zane Taylor C Utah 6ft 2.4in 309 5.61
#5 Jake Kirkpatrick C Texas Christian 6ft 1.7in 300 5.32
#6 Tim Barnes C Missouri 6ft 3.0in 305 5.20
#7 Ryan Bartholomew C Syracuse 6ft 1.1in 302 4.97
#8 Ryan McMahon C Florida State 6ft 3.0in 285 5.10
#9 Ryan Pugh C Auburn 6ft 4.0in 300 5.15
#10 Colin Baxter C Arizona 6ft 2.5in 311 5.42

b. I do like the idea of Cook, but he is a FA and I don't think the staff will sign him back, especially if he gets offers higher than what we saw Hicks get.

c. The Herrera idea bares some consideration even though I didn't like what I saw last year. Maybe the scheme change will help him adjust to the role. I think he pulls good enough and has the smarts to make the line adjustments.

In the end, if you want to upgrade our Center position I think it will have to be done via FA (or as you alude, from the current roster) and not with someone drafted out of this class.

I wish 10/20 yard splits were more accessible. I can't find the info anywhere. I'm a lot more concerned about those numbers, as well as broad and vertical jumps, the short shuttle, and 3 cone drill for linemen. Guys who pair good numbers in those drills with a big body are pretty safe if they have the right mentality.

Which is why I like Moffitt so much. 6'4" 320, went over 30" in the vertical, 4.5 in the short shuttle, and is just a mean dude on the field. If I were making the picks, there's no way I'd let him slip by in the 4th round. If I saw he had a 10 yard shuttle around 1.8-1.85 and went under 3 in the 20 I'd be willing to bet he's a top pulling guard in the NFL within 4 years.

Its out there, you just have to dig for it.......Don't see Moffitt on here though. Let me keep digging.

Look on the right side of this page.

OL Splits

On a side note, when I was working my 7 rounder, Austins splits were what made me happy he was there in the second.

Edit.......

Moffitt splits included in the chart at the bottom

That's Ben Moffitt of USF(who appears to be an impressive athlete) not John Moffitt of Wisconsin.

........Marrdro can be seen muttering to himself......Mr. A did that on purpose......as he starts searching for the "Other Moffitt" splits :silly: .

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094642

Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1094640

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094639

Originally Posted by "Mr Anderson" #1094637

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094617

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094594

Firstly, worth mentioning, I've never been a fan of drafting OL high this season.

I DON"T think OT is as big a priority as people think. Upgrading Mac is a luxury, not a necessity. Yes, he's big, slow and gives up a fair number of sacks, but he's still easily in the top-half of the league for LT's.

Load had a great rookie year, but regressed. Not sure if there's some undisclosed injury, or what the problem is. If he can come back to form, I'll be happy with that. He gets another year.

Hutch needs a replacement, might be DeGeare, might be someone else. He's only got a couple years left in the tank

Herrerra has played hurt the past two years, if healthy, I hope he can return to form as well. If not, we need to look at an alternative.

Sullivan is really the only player that I think NEEDS to be replaced. He's simply not big enough to take on nosetackles. He gets pushed around, and pushed back into the QB. A collapsed pocket is not a good pocket. Hell, when Cook was in there I thought things looked a bit more consistent.

So I'd be all for drafting a big C/G-type lineman, preferably one who can play both positions. This way, if Sullivan has had some miraculous improvement in skill, he stays and this guy works at RG, competing with Herrera.

If Herrera comes back completely healthy, then he pushes for the C spot.

Another fine assesment.

Only discussion point I see in there is the C discussion.

For me, the following applies:

a. None of the C's this year seem to be worth drafting as most of them are just as small as Sully (6'4"/301 lbs) and are projected to be best fits in ZBing schemes.

# Name Pos School Ht Wt Spd
#1 Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State 6ft 3.0in 313 5.26
#2 Kristofer ODowd C USC 6ft 4.1in 304 5.16
#3 Brandon Fusco C Slippery Rock 6ft 4.1in 300 5.20
#4 Zane Taylor C Utah 6ft 2.4in 309 5.61
#5 Jake Kirkpatrick C Texas Christian 6ft 1.7in 300 5.32
#6 Tim Barnes C Missouri 6ft 3.0in 305 5.20
#7 Ryan Bartholomew C Syracuse 6ft 1.1in 302 4.97
#8 Ryan McMahon C Florida State 6ft 3.0in 285 5.10
#9 Ryan Pugh C Auburn 6ft 4.0in 300 5.15
#10 Colin Baxter C Arizona 6ft 2.5in 311 5.42

b. I do like the idea of Cook, but he is a FA and I don't think the staff will sign him back, especially if he gets offers higher than what we saw Hicks get.

c. The Herrera idea bares some consideration even though I didn't like what I saw last year. Maybe the scheme change will help him adjust to the role. I think he pulls good enough and has the smarts to make the line adjustments.

In the end, if you want to upgrade our Center position I think it will have to be done via FA (or as you alude, from the current roster) and not with someone drafted out of this class.

I wish 10/20 yard splits were more accessible. I can't find the info anywhere. I'm a lot more concerned about those numbers, as well as broad and vertical jumps, the short shuttle, and 3 cone drill for linemen. Guys who pair good numbers in those drills with a big body are pretty safe if they have the right mentality.

Which is why I like Moffitt so much. 6'4" 320, went over 30" in the vertical, 4.5 in the short shuttle, and is just a mean dude on the field. If I were making the picks, there's no way I'd let him slip by in the 4th round. If I saw he had a 10 yard shuttle around 1.8-1.85 and went under 3 in the 20 I'd be willing to bet he's a top pulling guard in the NFL within 4 years.

Its out there, you just have to dig for it.......Don't see Moffitt on here though. Let me keep digging.

Look on the right side of this page.

OL Splits

On a side note, when I was working my 7 rounder, Austins splits were what made me happy he was there in the second.

Edit.......

Moffitt splits included in the chart at the bottom

That's Ben Moffitt of USF(who appears to be an impressive athlete) not John Moffitt of Wisconsin.

........Marrdro can be seen muttering to himself......Mr. A did that on purpose......as he starts searching for the "Other Moffitt" splits :silly: .

Still digging? :P

I can't find them anywhere.

CBS' draft site has previous years splits, bench reps, vert and broad jumps, cone drill, and shuttle... but not for 2011.

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094583

One hell of an assesment my friend. Just one question, Leslie wants to run, Musgrove wants to go vertical a bit more, who wins?

Flip answer: "The other team."

True answer: "The guy who actually calls the plays."

=Z=

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094620

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094617

b. I do like the idea of Cook, but he is a FA and I don't think the staff will sign him back, especially if he gets offers higher than what we saw Hicks get.

Didn't we offer him an RFA tender? I thought that was the case.

The idea of Cook getting any highball offers is somewhere between slim and none.

I would like to see how our line plays now with our new OC before we go and waste a high draft pick for no reason. Yes the line has some age but nothing to worry about now this season, and I believe we will all see a drastic change for the better.

Draft the best player on the board that fits a hole of ours and O-Line is not one of them compaired to other positions. Then hope Mallet is available in the second.

Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1094617

Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1094594

Firstly, worth mentioning, I've never been a fan of drafting OL high this season.

I DON"T think OT is as big a priority as people think. Upgrading Mac is a luxury, not a necessity. Yes, he's big, slow and gives up a fair number of sacks, but he's still easily in the top-half of the league for LT's.

Load had a great rookie year, but regressed. Not sure if there's some undisclosed injury, or what the problem is. If he can come back to form, I'll be happy with that. He gets another year.

Hutch needs a replacement, might be DeGeare, might be someone else. He's only got a couple years left in the tank

Herrerra has played hurt the past two years, if healthy, I hope he can return to form as well. If not, we need to look at an alternative.

Sullivan is really the only player that I think NEEDS to be replaced. He's simply not big enough to take on nosetackles. He gets pushed around, and pushed back into the QB. A collapsed pocket is not a good pocket. Hell, when Cook was in there I thought things looked a bit more consistent.

So I'd be all for drafting a big C/G-type lineman, preferably one who can play both positions. This way, if Sullivan has had some miraculous improvement in skill, he stays and this guy works at RG, competing with Herrera.

If Herrera comes back completely healthy, then he pushes for the C spot.

Another fine assesment.

Only discussion point I see in there is the C discussion.

For me, the following applies:

a. None of the C's this year seem to be worth drafting as most of them are just as small as Sully (6'4"/301 lbs) and are projected to be best fits in ZBing schemes.

# Name Pos School Ht Wt Spd
#1 Stefen Wisniewski C Penn State 6ft 3.0in 313 5.26
#2 Kristofer ODowd C USC 6ft 4.1in 304 5.16
#3 Brandon Fusco C Slippery Rock 6ft 4.1in 300 5.20
#4 Zane Taylor C Utah 6ft 2.4in 309 5.61
#5 Jake Kirkpatrick C Texas Christian 6ft 1.7in 300 5.32
#6 Tim Barnes C Missouri 6ft 3.0in 305 5.20
#7 Ryan Bartholomew C Syracuse 6ft 1.1in 302 4.97
#8 Ryan McMahon C Florida State 6ft 3.0in 285 5.10
#9 Ryan Pugh C Auburn 6ft 4.0in 300 5.15
#10 Colin Baxter C Arizona 6ft 2.5in 311 5.42

b. I do like the idea of Cook, but he is a FA and I don't think the staff will sign him back, especially if he gets offers higher than what we saw Hicks get.

c. The Herrera idea bares some consideration even though I didn't like what I saw last year. Maybe the scheme change will help him adjust to the role. I think he pulls good enough and has the smarts to make the line adjustments.

In the end, if you want to upgrade our Center position I think it will have to be done via FA (or as you alude, from the current roster) and not with someone drafted out of this class.

Herrera at center was horrible. He didn't even play guard very well last year.

It's late tonight, but I will come back with a post about drafting O-linemen tomarrow that may challenge what some think.

As far as centers go, maybe you should judge them by different standards than hieght and weight.

John Sullivan 6'4" 301
Mike Pouncey 6'5" 303
Olan Kreutz 6'2" 292
Matt birk 6'4" 300
Jeff Saturday 6'2" 295
Probowlers
Nick Mangold 6'4" 307
Kevin Maware 6'4" 289
Shawn Ohara 6'3" 306
Ryan Kalil a college guard I wanted us to take, 6'4" 301.