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    Donovan McNabb to Minnesota Vikings?It makes sense

    Although Minnesota Vikings coach Leslie Frazier and player personnel VP Rick Spielman are noncommittal about their starting quarterback when next season begins, it's looking more and more as if it could be veteran Donovan McNabb.

    That's what makes the most sense.
    Donovan McNabb to Minnesota Vikings? It makes sense

    It makes sense to who?

    Any chucklehead with half a brain can take a look at how the draft will probably go and see that the Vikes should be able to get a talented QB at 12 that should be able to start right away.

    Will he be flawless? No, but he would be better than Webb right now and would have alot more upside that a guy like Dnabb.

    By the way, I think, based on what I've read and heard, QB's are going to be over valued this year. Here is were I have the top 10 QB's going this year in my mock draft.

    Does it mean they will go there? No, but I think I do a good enough job on this that one could assume that the Vikes won't have much of a choice at one if we don't take one at 12.

    1 1. Carolina Baine Gabbert, QB
    3 3. Buffalo Cam Newton, QB
    12 12. Minnesota Jake Locker, QB
    15 15. Miami Andrew Dalton, QB
    25 25. Seattle Christian Ponder, QB
    35 3. Cincinnati Colin Kaepernick, QB
    39 7. Tennessee Ricky Stanzi, QB
    41 9. Washington Ryan Mallet, QB
    12. San Francisco Greg McElroy, QB
    103 6. Arizona Pat Devlin, QB

    Long story short, if they are going to go after a Vet, why go after Dnabb? Why not go after Kolb?

    Both know the system. Both would slide right into the system because they both know it.

    Only difference I see is one is older with less upside the other has a future in the league with lots of upside.
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    Re: Donovan McNabb to Minnesota Vikings?It makes sense

    This is one of those occasions wehre having the draft before free agency might actually help us.

    Looking at our pick, if the top-three QB's are gone, I don't want to reach for an overvalued guy. I just don't think a guy like Ponder, Stanzi or Mallet will turn out to be the type of player we're looking for. Not worth the #12 IMO, and would be no better than waiting until the second to see what's left over.

    However, if a guy like Newton or Locker is around, I think we need to grab him. If they're not, pass, and then mayb elook at McNabb. I don't think any of the guys outside of the top-three will really be that impact player down the road we're looking for. Picking him, and realizing 3 years later we made a mistake will suck. I'd much rather take McNabb, or trade for Kolb/Orton than rely on some of these other QB's panning out.

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    Re: Donovan McNabb to Minnesota Vikings?It makes sense

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093118
    This is one of those occasions wehre having the draft before free agency might actually help us.

    Looking at our pick, if the top-three QB's are gone, I don't want to reach for an overvalued guy. I just don't think a guy like Ponder, Stanzi or Mallet will turn out to be the type of player we're looking for. Not worth the #12 IMO, and would be no better than waiting until the second to see what's left over.

    However, if a guy like Newton or Locker is around, I think we need to grab him. If they're not, pass, and then mayb elook at McNabb. I don't think any of the guys outside of the top-three will really be that impact player down the road we're looking for. Picking him, and realizing 3 years later we made a mistake will suck. I'd much rather take McNabb, or trade for Kolb/Orton than rely on some of these other QB's panning out.
    That rationale makes sense.

    You did notice who was left when the 43rd came around didn't you. At that was without all the projected movement by teams into the latter part of round 1 as a means to get them.

    Long story short, if we want one of these kids, we better get him at 12 or we won't get him.

    On a side note, even though the top 10 Qb's have alot of issues very few are projected to be a bust in the NFL. Almost all of them are projected to work out over time.

    Even Mallet head.hmy:
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    Re: Donovan McNabb to Minnesota Vikings?It makes sense

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093123
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093118
    This is one of those occasions wehre having the draft before free agency might actually help us.

    Looking at our pick, if the top-three QB's are gone, I don't want to reach for an overvalued guy. I just don't think a guy like Ponder, Stanzi or Mallet will turn out to be the type of player we're looking for. Not worth the #12 IMO, and would be no better than waiting until the second to see what's left over.

    However, if a guy like Newton or Locker is around, I think we need to grab him. If they're not, pass, and then mayb elook at McNabb. I don't think any of the guys outside of the top-three will really be that impact player down the road we're looking for. Picking him, and realizing 3 years later we made a mistake will suck. I'd much rather take McNabb, or trade for Kolb/Orton than rely on some of these other QB's panning out.
    That rationale makes sense.

    You did notice who was left when the 43rd came around didn't you. At that was without all the projected movement by teams into the latter part of round 1 as a means to get them.

    Long story short, if we want one of these kids, we better get him at 12 or we won't get him.

    On a side note, even though the top 10 Qb's have alot of issues very few are projected to be a bust in the NFL. Almost all of them are projected to work out over time.

    Even Mallet head.hmy:
    And there were loads of people saying Matt Ryan would bust but Ryan Leaf would be god.

    PRedicting a player to bust is a wildly inaccurate thing to do. But following the rationale that lesser prospects won't be a star player in the league is fairly easy to do. Statistics would agree.

    After the top-3, I don't think anybody else there is first round talent, but they will probably be picked int he first. Long story short, you can't accuratly project if a player will work out, only way to find out is to draft him and see how it goes.

    But the numbers don't lie about drafting mid-round QB talent.

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    Re: Donovan McNabb to Minnesota Vikings?It makes sense

    I would rather see the year lost in a strike.

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    Re: Donovan McNabb to Minnesota Vikings?It makes sense

    I also like that the draft is before any player movement can happen ... because we can draft players and then trade FUTURE draft picks for a Kyle Orton type or what not, instead of mortgaging any of this draft.

    Also, of course, we could see that we don't get one of the top 3 QBs at No. 12 and boom, we now can go after McNabb or what not because he is still out there ... as IBP said ... definitely a good thing for a team like ours.

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    Re: Donovan McNabb to Minnesota Vikings?It makes sense

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093123
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093118
    This is one of those occasions wehre having the draft before free agency might actually help us.

    Looking at our pick, if the top-three QB's are gone, I don't want to reach for an overvalued guy. I just don't think a guy like Ponder, Stanzi or Mallet will turn out to be the type of player we're looking for. Not worth the #12 IMO, and would be no better than waiting until the second to see what's left over.

    However, if a guy like Newton or Locker is around, I think we need to grab him. If they're not, pass, and then mayb elook at McNabb. I don't think any of the guys outside of the top-three will really be that impact player down the road we're looking for. Picking him, and realizing 3 years later we made a mistake will suck. I'd much rather take McNabb, or trade for Kolb/Orton than rely on some of these other QB's panning out.
    That rationale makes sense.

    You did notice who was left when the 43rd came around didn't you. At that was without all the projected movement by teams into the latter part of round 1 as a means to get them.

    Long story short, if we want one of these kids, we better get him at 12 or we won't get him.

    On a side note, even though the top 10 Qb's have alot of issues very few are projected to be a bust in the NFL. Almost all of them are projected to work out over time.

    Even Mallet head.hmy:
    Marr,
    I have to disagree this time. You always claim that sometimes it's best not to throw kids into the fire. However, you seemed prepared to do just that. I think McNabb makes perfect sense.

    1) He is still a top 10 Qb in this league. Remember these are the dead skins in the first year of a QB and offensive scheme change. He lost his best weapon (Cooley) and the rest of his weapons are thrash or always hurt(Moss). He had no line outside of a Raw Rookie LT. The guy still has it, he was just in a terrible, terrible position. No RB, No Line, No WRs, and your best weapon is gone for the season.

    2) McNabb is better than any rookie in this draft at this point. He will perfectly bridge the gap while these guys get acclimented to the system. We are missing time to have the system implemented. Vets wont be able to help our young guy out in the huddle like Ryan, Flacco and Co had. Our Vets don't know the system. Having a vet start while the kid learns prevents him from getting killed during his growing pains.

    3) McNabb is cheaper than Orton or Klob. Why spend atleast a 2ndw for Orton and a high price for Kolb and still draft a our own QB. That makes little sense. McNabb will be had for possible a 4th or future 3rd. He still has 3 good years left in him.

    McNabbb makes the most sense. Klob is unproven and fragile, Orton got most of his yards in garbage time. His team lost all those games for a reason and he was benched for Tebow....nuff said.

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    Re: Donovan McNabb to Minnesota Vikings?It makes sense

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093127
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093123
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093118
    This is one of those occasions wehre having the draft before free agency might actually help us.

    Looking at our pick, if the top-three QB's are gone, I don't want to reach for an overvalued guy. I just don't think a guy like Ponder, Stanzi or Mallet will turn out to be the type of player we're looking for. Not worth the #12 IMO, and would be no better than waiting until the second to see what's left over.

    However, if a guy like Newton or Locker is around, I think we need to grab him. If they're not, pass, and then mayb elook at McNabb. I don't think any of the guys outside of the top-three will really be that impact player down the road we're looking for. Picking him, and realizing 3 years later we made a mistake will suck. I'd much rather take McNabb, or trade for Kolb/Orton than rely on some of these other QB's panning out.
    That rationale makes sense.

    You did notice who was left when the 43rd came around didn't you. At that was without all the projected movement by teams into the latter part of round 1 as a means to get them.

    Long story short, if we want one of these kids, we better get him at 12 or we won't get him.

    On a side note, even though the top 10 Qb's have alot of issues very few are projected to be a bust in the NFL. Almost all of them are projected to work out over time.

    Even Mallet head.hmy:
    And there were loads of people saying Matt Ryan would bust but Ryan Leaf would be god.

    PRedicting a player to bust is a wildly inaccurate thing to do. But following the rationale that lesser prospects won't be a star player in the league is fairly easy to do. Statistics would agree.

    After the top-3, I don't think anybody else there is first round talent, but they will probably be picked int he first. Long story short, you can't accuratly project if a player will work out, only way to find out is to draft him and see how it goes.

    But the numbers don't lie about drafting mid-round QB talent.
    What numbers?

    Truth is, I think that teams are doing a pretty good job of late when it comes to evaluating talent in the draft. My guess, the reason why is because of the ease that you can get tape or fly to watch a cat play.

    Mix that with the numbers owners are paying them now, scouting staffs seem to be funded better (my opinion there).
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    Re: Donovan McNabb to Minnesota Vikings?It makes sense

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093156
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093127
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093123
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093118
    This is one of those occasions wehre having the draft before free agency might actually help us.

    Looking at our pick, if the top-three QB's are gone, I don't want to reach for an overvalued guy. I just don't think a guy like Ponder, Stanzi or Mallet will turn out to be the type of player we're looking for. Not worth the #12 IMO, and would be no better than waiting until the second to see what's left over.

    However, if a guy like Newton or Locker is around, I think we need to grab him. If they're not, pass, and then mayb elook at McNabb. I don't think any of the guys outside of the top-three will really be that impact player down the road we're looking for. Picking him, and realizing 3 years later we made a mistake will suck. I'd much rather take McNabb, or trade for Kolb/Orton than rely on some of these other QB's panning out.
    That rationale makes sense.

    You did notice who was left when the 43rd came around didn't you. At that was without all the projected movement by teams into the latter part of round 1 as a means to get them.

    Long story short, if we want one of these kids, we better get him at 12 or we won't get him.

    On a side note, even though the top 10 Qb's have alot of issues very few are projected to be a bust in the NFL. Almost all of them are projected to work out over time.

    Even Mallet head.hmy:
    And there were loads of people saying Matt Ryan would bust but Ryan Leaf would be god.

    PRedicting a player to bust is a wildly inaccurate thing to do. But following the rationale that lesser prospects won't be a star player in the league is fairly easy to do. Statistics would agree.

    After the top-3, I don't think anybody else there is first round talent, but they will probably be picked int he first. Long story short, you can't accuratly project if a player will work out, only way to find out is to draft him and see how it goes.

    But the numbers don't lie about drafting mid-round QB talent.
    What numbers?
    I've posted them many times, showing round by round the percentage of QB's that become stars, servicable and duds. First round, especially the top half give you a good shot at a good QB. Second round those odds drop significantly, and third and beyond it's just pure luck.

    That's not to say drafting a crap player in the first automatically makes him a good player, just that the top QB's usually go in the first, hence why the odds are better in round one.

    Every single year, there's a guy like Stanzi, that guys think is a great value pick in the late second or third, but never really pans out at all.

    This year is likely no different.

    Truth is, I think that teams are doing a pretty good job of late when it comes to evaluating talent in the draft. My guess, the reason why is because of the ease that you can get tape or fly to watch a cat play.

    Mix that with the numbers owners are paying them now, scouting staffs seem to be funded better (my opinion there).
    Yes and no.

    With QB that's really hard to do. You can watch a guy until you're blue in the face, know all about his physical traits, and how he plays the college game, but you can never accurately predict how he'll make the transition to the pros, and how he'll handle the mental aspect.

    The college game is so much different, a whole new style of play for the most part, a good QB is good because of what's in his head, not in his shoulder.

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    Re: Donovan McNabb to Minnesota Vikings?It makes sense

    Quote Originally Posted by "kevoncox" #1093133
    Marr,
    I have to disagree this time.
    Its not a disagreement, its a follow-on discussion point......:laugh:


    You always claim that sometimes it's best not to throw kids into the fire. However, you seemed prepared to do just that.
    You are correct, I hate to watch rookies play before their time, but I have, on several occasions, said that I understand that at times that has to happen.

    TJ was a prime example. No one better to play so run him out there and let him get some reps on tape for training. To me, that makes sense.

    This, I think, could almost fall into that catagory. If the asking price is to high for a Kolb, or even a Dnabb, then you run the rook out there. Will it be painfull to watch and will some fans make an assesment of the player before they should be.....? YES on both accounts, but I can still see why it can happen at times.


    I think McNabb makes perfect sense.

    1) He is still a top 10 Qb in this league. Remember these are the dead skins in the first year of a QB and offensive scheme change. He lost his best weapon (Cooley) and the rest of his weapons are thrash or always hurt(Moss). He had no line outside of a Raw Rookie LT. The guy still has it, he was just in a terrible, terrible position. No RB, No Line, No WRs, and your best weapon is gone for the season.

    2) McNabb is better than any rookie in this draft at this point. He will perfectly bridge the gap while these guys get acclimented to the system. We are missing time to have the system implemented. Vets wont be able to help our young guy out in the huddle like Ryan, Flacco and Co had. Our Vets don't know the system. Having a vet start while the kid learns prevents him from getting killed during his growing pains.

    3) McNabb is cheaper than Orton or Klob. Why spend atleast a 2ndw for Orton and a high price for Kolb and still draft a our own QB. That makes little sense. McNabb will be had for possible a 4th or future 3rd. He still has 3 good years left in him.

    McNabbb makes the most sense. Klob is unproven and fragile, Orton got most of his yards in garbage time. His team lost all those games for a reason and he was benched for Tebow....nuff said.
    I can track with all of that except......

    a. I don't think Dnabb is a top 10 QB anymore based on what I saw last year.

    Does that mean that his issues are related to his skillset alone? No, as you said, new scheme, crappy recievers, bad OL etc etc etc.

    My counter discussion point back to you on that is, what happens if we don't have Rice? He will have recievers issues. What happens if Sully can't get it done at Center in the new scheme? He will have a crappy line play in front of him.

    Again, because of the drop in his play, when he had a team like that around him, I don't think he is worth the pick just to have him come and struggle with all of that for us.

    I would much rather have a young guy like Kolb or a Rook grow through that stuff than to watch a guy like Dnabb or Orton do it for a year or two.

    Another counter discussion point is......

    What happens if we keep Rice and Sully can handle the Ol duties? Then we are back to the team, that in 2008 and 2009, could have carried a youngster that wasn't asked to do to much (ala a Sanchez at the Jets).

    Sometimes, I think we over value what a Vet actually brings to the table at times but if a Vets wisdom is needed, you have a Hutch standing in the huddle, or a Shanc, or a Sauce etc etc etc.
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