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    Do the Marshall & Holmes trades force CB in 1st?

    Well, with Holmes and Marshall now both appearing on our schedule it puts a little more pressure on us to get a "Top Flight" CB and maybe even another Safety in the draft.

    Don't forget the late season emergence of Aromashodu in Chicago and their young WR crew going into Cutler's second season in Chicago. Not to mention Burleson being added to the Lions line-up.

    Our other opponents are none too shabby as well:

    Crabtree's second year in SF.
    DJax and McLain in PHI
    Smith and Nickis with NYG
    Those other guys like A Miles/R Moss & L Fitzgerald might be tough too.

    And did I mention that most Playoff/Championship caliber teams are loaded at WR?

    So, I may be wrong, but, if we don't wind-up with a CB and maybe even another Safety with great cover skills out of the first 4 rounds I would be really surprised.
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    Re:Do the Marshall & Holmes trades force CB in 1st?

    You don't draft a player that you are going to have for 10 years to help you against 2 players you are going to face in one season. It's just idiotic to draft that way.

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    Re:Do the Marshall & Holmes trades force CB in 1st?

    hav0x wrote:
    You don't draft a player that you are going to have for 10 years to help you against 2 players you are going to face in one season. It's just idiotic to draft that way.

    I guess that's why this "Idiot" took the time to expand upon that thought in the body of his post.

    Please pay me the courtesy of reading the entry in its entirety before denouncing my viewpoint in future, and I will promise to do the same.

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    Re:Do the Marshall & Holmes trades force CB in 1st

    bsmithberkley wrote:
    hav0x wrote:
    You don't draft a player that you are going to have for 10 years to help you against 2 players you are going to face in one season. It's just idiotic to draft that way.

    I guess that's why this "Idiot" took the time to expand upon that thought in the body of his post.

    Please pay me the courtesy of reading the entry in its entirety before denouncing my viewpoint in future, and I will promise to do the same.

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    I think he did ... and was being kind.

    Why in the hell would players on the Jets and Dolphins effect the way we draft?

    By the way ... we don't face Crabtree. If you don't want to be called idiotic ...

    Are we to think that there are not good receivers on other teams in the NFL? Nate Burleson is back in the division ... hold the phone!!!

    We might be targeting CB anyways ... but no ... we are not targeting them more now that Brandon Marshall and Santonio Holmes (who by the way might NOT be on our schedule if we play them in the first four games) were traded.

    We clearly have the most difficult WR season EVERRRRRR coming up ... probably should draft corners in one and two.

    Idiotic might not have been polite ... but it was not all that inaccurate.

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    Re:Do the Marshall & Holmes trades force CB in 1st

    midgensa wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    hav0x wrote:
    You don't draft a player that you are going to have for 10 years to help you against 2 players you are going to face in one season. It's just idiotic to draft that way.

    I guess that's why this "Idiot" took the time to expand upon that thought in the body of his post.

    Please pay me the courtesy of reading the entry in its entirety before denouncing my viewpoint in future, and I will promise to do the same.

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    I think he did ... and was being kind.

    Why in the hell would players on the Jets and Dolphins effect the way we draft?

    Are we to think that there are not good receivers on other teams in the NFL? Nate Burleson is back in the division ... hold the phone!!!

    We might be targeting CB anyways ... but no ... we are not targeting them more now that Brandon Marshall and Santonio Holmes (who by the way might NOT be on our schedule if we play them in the first four games) were traded.

    Idiotic might not have been polite ... but it was not all that inaccurate.
    I think that, based on just 2 players on your schedule, it's quite a stretch, but the points about the in-division opponents getting better is a very valid one.

    Remember when you had Moss? We scrambled for CBs to try and stop that arial attack with led by Daunte and Randy. The first two picks in the 2004 NFL draft where both CBs. Not very good ones, in hindsight, but you get my point.

    I think that CB is something you're very likely to look for. GB has a good receiving core. Calvin Johnson and Nate Burlesson are a pretty good duo, with Calvin being a beast.

    You don't reach on players because of need. You certainly don't reach on players because the position matches up well with your opponents. When you have the choice, though, those things do factor in.
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    Re:Do the Marshall & Holmes trades force CB in 1st

    midgensa wrote:
    bsmithberkley wrote:
    hav0x wrote:
    You don't draft a player that you are going to have for 10 years to help you against 2 players you are going to face in one season. It's just idiotic to draft that way.

    I guess that's why this "Idiot" took the time to expand upon that thought in the body of his post.

    Please pay me the courtesy of reading the entry in its entirety before denouncing my viewpoint in future, and I will promise to do the same.

    Thanks
    I think he did ... and was being kind.

    Why in the hell would players on the Jets and Dolphins effect the way we draft?

    By the way ... we don't face Crabtree. If you don't want to be called idiotic ...

    Are we to think that there are not good receivers on other teams in the NFL? Nate Burleson is back in the division ... hold the phone!!!

    We might be targeting CB anyways ... but no ... we are not targeting them more now that Brandon Marshall and Santonio Holmes (who by the way might NOT be on our schedule if we play them in the first four games) were traded.

    We clearly have the most difficult WR season EVERRRRRR coming up ... probably should draft corners in one and two.

    Idiotic might not have been polite ... but it was not all that inaccurate.
    While you may have added another jab at me (and you are right about Crabtree, my bad), thanks for reading the post before going off and more importantly, thanks for agreeing with me..."probably should draft corners in one and two"...well put! But starting with two CBs might be a little "Eccentric"
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    Re:Do the Marshall & Holmes trades force CB in 1st

    There is no reason to bash the guy for posting this. There are valid points. Personally I wouldn't draft by the needs of just one season but regardless the Vikings need CB and S help in the draft. Therefore either way, I wouldn't be surprised if those positions are heavy in the Viking draft plans or even they may pick up a veteran that was let loose as well.

    Marshall and Holmes are big pick ups and it sucks that they will now be playing the Vikes. Let's not discount the fact we will be playing Randy Moss as well.

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    Re:Do the Marshall & Holmes trades force CB in 1st

    If anything, these trades means that is it less likely a CB will be around in at the end of the first. There are at least 9 teams picking from 13-30 that need CBs and this makes the need in that division even higher.
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    Re:Do the Marshall & Holmes trades force CB in 1st

    gregair13 wrote:
    If anything, these trades means that is it less likely a CB will be around in at the end of the first. There are at least 9 teams picking from 13-30 that need CBs and this makes the need in that division even higher.
    I don't know if I agree with the increased need for CBs in the AFC East:

    Miami - Fresh young CBs last year
    NY Jets - Added Cromartie
    Buffalo - Good secondary, horrible line
    New England - Potential CB 1st

    New England is the only real threat to pull a CB and they are more likely to nab a DE or LB as the talent level at those positions drop off more than at CB. And with 3 second round picks New England will surely be using the "Value over Peer Available" draft strategy, especially in these 2 rounds, they would be crazy not to.

    In fact, I believe many other teams that want a CB with only a single pick in the second will evaluate the CB position the same way and pick other positions in the first taking a limited risk that they don't snag a CB in round 2. The big run on CBs will be round 2 and 3.

    Anyway, thats my spin on the Value Distribution
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    Re:Do the Marshall & Holmes trades force CB in 1st?

    First, shame on our good friend hav0x for calling someones discussion point idiotic. Just because someone has an idea that might not track with the "Norm" doesn't mean a few of us yutz's might not want to talk about it.

    Unless Webby has changed something, this is still a "Discussion" centric forum that encourages "Discussions" regardless of how well they might be recieved.

    Second. I don't think it is that far out of the "Norm" for teams to look at talent of the teams they face when they look at what type of scheme/player they need to defend against the other teams talent, however, I believe, as Molder pointed out, that typically happens within the Division more than it does for just one season.

    Third. Having said that, teams tend to draft players that fit thier scheme (make it better), more than they do with respect to stopping players.

    Good thing for the Vikes that there are some very talented CB's in this draft. After running through all 7 rounds of my mock, there were some very good kids coming off the board late into the 4th round that will/should be starting in the league in a very short timeframe.
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