04-13-2011, 01:54 PM #1
Another Former Packers Quarterback To Wear Purple?Clayton, speaking on The Kevin Calabro Show on 710 ESPN Seattle, said “the odds are now slipping away that Matt’s going to be (in Seattle).” He went on to name Arizona, Miami, and Minnesota as possible suitors for the 35-year-old quarterback.
Call me silly, but when I think of Matt I don't get sick like I did when I thought of the Noodle.
Actually, this would be fun if he was to become a Vike. You would have me and the whole PUKER thing and you would have all the guys like Bleed who think QB's don't work out if they aren't taken in the first round cause Matt was taken someplace like 180 or 190 if memory serves.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
04-13-2011, 02:52 PM #2
Re: Another Former Packers Quarterback To Wear Purple?Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093482
You're talking about a 10+ year vet. Over 15 years you can only come up with a handful of late-round picks. When drafting a QB for a team in need, relying on a late round pick to turn into a franchise player is a poor strategy.
However, Hasslebeck isn't a real Packer. He was a backup for a few years if I recall correctly, then followed the Walrus to seattle.
04-13-2011, 03:13 PM #3
Re: Another Former Packers Quarterback To Wear Purple?Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093486
Aside from that, you still wouldn't have been happy if they would have drafted him that year cause he didn't meet your criteria for a good QB.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
04-13-2011, 03:33 PM #4
Re: Another Former Packers Quarterback To Wear Purple?Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093491
I don't mean guys like Gus Frerotte who have stuck around as a backup, I mean starters that a team can rely on.
Looking through the drafts, this is what I came up with, starting in 2008:
2006: None (Whitehurst is the closest you get)
2005: Kyle Orton (4-106)
2005: Derek Anderson (6-213 (he sucks, but made a probowl so I'll include him))
2005: Matt Cassel (7-230)
2005: Ryan Fitzpatrick (7-250)
2004: Matt Schaub (3-90)
2003: Tony Romo (Undr)
2002: David Garrard (4-108)
2000: Marc Bulger (6-168)
2000: Tom Brady (6-199)
1999: Aaron Brooks (4-131)
1998: Matt Hasslebeck (6-187)
1997: Jake Delhomme (Undr)
In 15 yeras, I came up with 12 players that have either made a probowl, or have been or look to be decent starting QB's. I was very generous on some of these, like Brooks.
That's less than 1 per draft, indicating there's a very real chance that the sleeper QB you all hope to grab does not exist this year. And out of 32 teams, the odds of us nabbing him, if he does exists is even less so.
04-13-2011, 03:57 PM #5
Re: Another Former Packers Quarterback To Wear Purple?Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093496
Additionally, I wasn't being liberal, I was pulling actual starters that started in the league and did well. Of course I think some of these go back more than 15 years.
George Blanda, Norm Van Brocklin, Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Sunny Jurgenson, Don Meridith, Roger Staubach, Joe Thiesman, Ken Anderson, Lynn Dickey, Dan Fouts, Pat Haden, Steve Grogran, Steve Deberg, Gary Kubiak, Mark Rypien, Rich Gannnon, Brad Johnson, Trent Green, Mark Brunnell, Matt Hassleback, Mark Bulger, Matt Schaub, Kurt Warner, Kyle Orton,
Don't have the time to do the research but all of them were drafted in or after the 3rd round. My guess, there is alot bigger list of first rounders that I could pull up from each of their draft classes that were busts.......
3rd round of the draft means it is almost half over. How much later do you need it?Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
04-13-2011, 04:03 PM #6
Re: Another Former Packers Quarterback To Wear Purple?
You were being more than overly generous including Brooks, Garrard and Anderson as guys you can "rely" on.
To put it even better, lets look at ALL the QBs from those drafts taken in round 3 or later:
1995: 9 QBs taken — None threw 500 career passes
1996: 7 QBs taken — Danny Kannell is the only one with any real NFL experience ... and he was garbage.
1997: 9 QBs taken — Danny Wuerffel was the best of the bunch ... yikes! Jake Delhomme was grabbed up after the draft and turned into a fairly solid QB ... after five years on the pine.
1998: 5 QBs taken — Brian Griese (3rd Round) turned out serviceable, but hardly a reliable starter, and Matt Hasselbeck has had a solid career. No hall of famers.
1999: 7 QBs taken — Aaron Brooks is the only one worth mentioning, and calling him a solid QB is more than generous. He is six-games below .500 for his career as a starter and has a 78.5 rating.
2000: 11 QBs taken — Obviously Tom Brady is the poster boy for "late round hits" and Marc Bulger is no slouch. This draft made it look possible. But again ... only 2 of 11 did shit in the NFL.
2001: 7 QBs taken — Top dog is some guy name Sage, enough said.
2002: 12 QBs taken — David Garrard is the only one worth mentioning. Obviously a solid career, but definitely nothing special. A nice hit none-the-less.
2003: 9 QBs taken — Seneca Wallace is the only one worth mentioning, if even that. Of course, Tony Romo was nabbed off of the scrap heap this season.
2004: 13 QBs taken — Matt Schaub has turned out to be a very solid NFL QB, even if he can't win for shit.
2005: 8 QBs drafted — This is a solid draft with Kyle Orton, Matt Cassel, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Derek Anderson all being notable. Orton and Cassel are currently successful (though Orton may be out a job) and Fitzpatrick is a solid stopgap guy in Buffalo. Calling Anderson successful is being nice at best, he had one good year, the rest all garbage.
2006: 8 QBs taken — None have done shit except for Brad Smith ... as a kick returner.
2007: 6 QBs taken — Oddly there has been a lot of playing time among these (Trent Edwards, Troy Smith and Tyler Thigpen) and not oddly, they all are not starting calibur.
2008: 9 QBs taken — Matt Flynn and Dennis Dixon have shown flashes and may getting starting jobs down the road on different teams, but that is the best you got.
So ... in those drafts you have a total of 120 QBs drafted in rounds 3-7. Countless players giving UDFA contracts ... and you come out with a total of one Hall of Famer in Tom Brady and a handful of solid QBs like Matt Hasselbeck, Matt Cassel, Kyle Orton, Matt Schaub and Marc Bulger. (5 Super Bowl appearances — of course skewed by Brady's four alone).
At best you have 9 solid QBs out of 120 draft picks ... less than a 1 in 10 chance of hitting a "gem." You only have a 1 in 120 chance of hitting a Super Bowl winner.
In that same span ... the top two rounds of the draft have produced: Kerry Collins, Steve McNair, Jake Plummer, Peyton Manning, Daunte Culpepper, Donovan McNabb, Chad Pennington, Drew Brees, Michael Vick, Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger, Philip Rivers, Jay Cutler, Vince Young, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Josh Freeman, Mark Sanchez, Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford and Tim Tebow. (11 Super Bowl appearances)
This one is not really a close argument it appears.
04-13-2011, 04:06 PM #7
Re: Another Former Packers Quarterback To Wear Purple?Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093505
But even then ... you are going back to the eons of time and can only come up with 25 of them! And you included Gary fucking Kubiak and his 5 career NFL starts? ... take the time to do the research you said you didn't do and bring that to the table.
Edit: An Roger Staubach doesn't frickin count ... they knew they weren't going to have him on the field for FIVE YEARS.
04-13-2011, 04:17 PM #8
Re: Another Former Packers Quarterback To Wear Purple?Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1093508
Second, I didn't have to do the FUCKING research or didn't have to follow the FUCKING criteria you guys have FUCKING put into this FUCKING thread. That post came from another FUCKING discussion.
My apologies that my FUCKING memory isn't as good as your ability to use the FUCKING google capability on your FUCKING computer.
You want to do some FUCKING research, tell me how many FUCKING QB's went in the rounds ahead of these guys that didn't FUCKING make it.Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
04-13-2011, 04:23 PM #9
Re: Another Former Packers Quarterback To Wear Purple?Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1093511
04-13-2011, 04:26 PM #10
Re: Another Former Packers Quarterback To Wear Purple?Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1093513Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.
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