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    Alright, I think It's About Time to Talk 2012 Draft/Offseason



    Wow...what a crappy, piece of garbage season we're having

    Our offensive line is mediocre at best, no real playmaker at receiver that could catch a ball if they had stickum on their fingers, and a embarrassingly bad secondary with a subpar linebacker core. Pathetic; we need some serious help this offseason.

    The bad news is there are way more issues to fill than draft picks we have available. The good news is that there are a ton of excellent free agent prospects we should maybe take a look at to fill some major holes on this team.

    As is the case of having both lots of talent in both free agency and in the NFL Draft I think it's safe to say there are a plethora of different directions the Vikings can (and should) take. The first option I was thinking of, and probably the most popular and conservative draft strategies, is to simply load up on offensive line talent to protect Peterson and Ponder. Where we will be drafting, likely between 4-8, someone like Matt Kalil or Jonathan Martin at tackle. That leaves us at Round 2, where I see us taking a guard. Kevin Zeitler from Wisconsin is a name I've seen pop up. Round three could be a tossup between wide receiver or cornerback. Dwight Jones is a guy I think could be a big target at 6'4" 215 lbs. who could be a beast for an offense that lacks a decent receiver threat other than Harvin. At corner, Jayron Hosley and Janoris Jenkins from North Alabama are top guys who can make plays who could be available Round 3.

    Conversely, The Vikings possibly go receiver round one and give Ponder a good playmaker and address the o-line, perhaps with someone along the likes of Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs, in free agency. Justin Blackmon is honestly the only receiver I'd take round one. Jefferey is good and a big target, but I think for round one he's a bit of a stretch. If Blackmon is available Round 1, I think it's hard for us to pass on him. That leaves Round 2 to address the o-line.

    Being that we're now 2-8 I'm sadly in Draft/Free Agency mode here. Let me know what you guys think needs to be addressed this offseason.

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    Yeah itis about time to start looking forward to next season. I would say go OT inround 1... If they do I would not take a guard with the 2nd pick...simplybecause there are stronger needs (such as you pointed out) and I think we couldpossible move Johnson to RG and he would be serviceable. I think you can pickup a guard and a backup tackle in free agent. Take WR or CB in round 2 and 3and use 4-7 for best player available. This is one of those draft were trulyyou can take any position and possible see an upgrade...short of DE and RB thatis the only position we are strong at... I think it will be a fun offseason myonly concern is cap space. I know we were pretty much at the cap this year andI do not think it will be any better next season... not to mention I think we deferredsome cap space to next year to make room to sign veterans this year... I thinkwe will have to rely on the draft...I doubt there will be a ton of big namepickups I think maybe 1 or 2 top FA's at most... As much as it pains me to sayit we are rebuilding and it is going to take 2-3 years just to get some moretalent in here... The only shot of competing next year is if for some reasonWinfield, Henderson, Hutch, and Greenway bounce back from down years andyounger guys on the roster step up... And considering Winfield, hutch, andHenderson are all 33+ I don't see that happening....

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    I agree that it is time to be thinking about next year. As far as coaching and FO changes, I believe I'm in the majority when I say that there needs to be some big shakeups all the way to the top.

    I'm not sold on firing Frazier after one season as I feel this season was doomed from the moment the lockout ended. There were just too many factors working against the Vikings this year for them to overcome, including signing another over the hill QB, new coaches with no time to work with players in the offseason. injuries combined with poor depth at important positions, etc. This post will focus on player personnel changes only.

    Offense:

    QB:
    Keep Ponder and Webb; sign Chris Redman (former ATL QB w/ experience in Musgrave's system) and find a project QB via draft or UDFA class

    RB and FB:
    Keep Adrian and Toby; let Booker go via FA; sign Peyton Hillis to the contract he wants and let him play FB and RB. Imagine a formation with AD, Hillis, and Percy all in the same backfield...frickin' awesome! Probably need at least one more RB and FB on the PS for depth

    OT:
    Keep Loadholt at RT; Draft Kalil to play LT (I'm assuming we will have a top 5 pick); if we can't land Kalil because we win too many games, we may want to take Jonathan Martin from Stanford, or Riley Reiff from Iowa. Let Pat Brown and D. Love battle it out for the backup spots.

    OG:
    If Hutch won't take a pay cut, then I think he has to go. His production does not match his pay scale any more. Charlie Johnson can move to LG. Herrera needs to go as well. Injuries have really plagued our guards. The Vikes need to find a prospect to play RG next season. I'm not going to pretend I go out and study guard play, so I'll just say whoever it is needs to actually have the ability to get out in space and block for AD, as well as anchor down and pass protect.

    C:
    I was not a huge fan of Sully his first couple of seasons, but his play has improved and I actually think he and Load are the strongest players on our OL right now. If the coaches are comfortable with him being the starter going forward, so am I. Fusco remains as backup.

    TE:
    Dugan needs to just go. Sauce should sign on for one more year. Rudolph is obviously staying put and should be our starter. I think Reisner should stay as the 3rd TE, but am not opposed to finding some more competition at this position.

    WR: Percy stays; Jenkins stays; Camarillo and Aromashodu should go. This is one of the positions the Vikings really need to address via FA and the draft. They need to target Bowe or Colston if either one actually becomes available. I'm curious to see if Burton can do anything now that Jenkins is out for the season. I'd also like to see us draft another receiver to play on the outside opposite Bowe or Colston so Percy can move all over the field. Dwight Jones (6-4, 215) seems like a nice prospect to nab in the 2nd round.

    Defense:

    DT:
    KDub stays; Guion and Ballard stay; cut or trade Remi. Draft a true run stuffer to take on the Phat Pat role.

    DE:
    Jared obviously stays; Robison and Griffen should both stay also. Haven't seen enough of Reed or Awasom to know if they are worth a roster spot. Not much changes here unless a great value pops up in the draft.

    LB:
    Sorry EJ, I think it's time to go. Greenway and Erin Henderson should stay. Onatolu, Brinkley, and maybe Dean should stay as well. Again, I'm not sure who would be a big upgrade over EJ, but his play is going downhill and we need to find a replacement fast.

    CB:
    Bye bye Cook...you effed up; Allen, Sherels and Winfield stay. Griffin is cut. Target Leon Hall or Brent Grimes. Draft Micah Hyde from Iowa in the 3rd. B. Burton probably stays too.

    S:
    Keep Abdullah, Raymond, and Sanford. Go after a safety like Nelson or Griffin in FA. Draft Winston Guy Jr. from Kentucky.

    K: I don't know if it's the energy on the team or what, but Longwell has not been as consistent this year. I'm fine with keeping him, but if they replaced him with a proven kicker like Lindell or Rackers, I'd be fine with that too.

    P: Kluwe needs to put on some weight. I thought he was going to be broken in half on that punt return against the Falcons last Sunday.

    LS: Cullen is great at what he does. Here's to a speedy recovery!

    Well, that is my take on what the Vikings should do this offseason. Feel free to praise me for a job well done. I guess I can take some light criticism as well.

    QB:
    Ponder
    Redman
    Webb
    Project

    RB/FB:
    AD
    Toby
    Hillis
    Project

    Starting OL:
    Kalil
    C. Johnson
    Sully
    Rookie?
    Loadholt

    Backups: Love, Fusco, Brown

    TE:
    Rudolph
    Sauce
    Reisner
    Project

    WR:
    Bowe or Colston
    Percy (slot)
    D. Jones
    Jenkins
    Burton

    DT:
    KDub
    Rookie run stuffer
    Guion
    Ballard

    DE:
    Allen
    Robison
    Griffen
    Reed
    Awasom

    LB:
    Erin H.
    Chad G.
    J. Brinkley
    Kenny O.
    L. Dean

    CB:
    Winfield
    Grimes or Hall
    Hyde
    Allen
    Burton
    Sherels

    S:
    Hussain
    Sanford
    Nelson or Griffin
    Raymond
    Guy Jr.

    K: Longwell, Lindell, or Rackers

    P: Kluwe

    LS: Cullen L.
    Rock out with your cock out!!!

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    Couple things JK... Dugan is already gone. Also, why keep Toby if we get Hillis? I'd love to pay that guy and keep Booker and trade Toby for a washing machine if we can get it. Other than that, good analysis.

    I'm constantly torn between Blackmon and Kalil. Blackmon is obviously the way sexier pick, but Kalil is said to be an anchor for 10 or so years which we definitely need. I hope we are active players in FA but don't rely on it completely. I want to build through the draft.
    I am NOT here to provide good football insight or rational observations. I am an emotional 19 year old Viking fan and I expect you to adjust your expectations from my posts.

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    I look at Denver. A team with less offensive talent than we have and see how they win with their defense. We use to play the same way but our defense has become old, injured, and well just not very good.

    Pagac has made it clear that he wants to play more man coverage and less cover 2. With the division we are in, playing the quarterbacks we face, I feel that is the smart thing to do. Problem is we do not have the CB's to play that way.

    As for the draft - I do not see Kalil being available. With Sam Bradford getting mauled I expect the Rams to take Kalil. It would allow them to move Rodger Saffold to the right side and move Jason Smith inside at guard. With this being a good draft for receivers they could easily grab Mohamed Sanu or a Dwight Jones etc.. in round 2.

    If we are drafting 3rd and Kalil is off the board then I am all over Morris Claiborne. A playmaking corner that would allow us to move away from the cover 2? Sign me up.

    I would honestly look to clean house. Hutchinson, Herrera, Cedric Griffin, Remi Adoyele, Antonie Winfield, Tyrell Johnson - anyone being paid and not producing whether it is age or constant injuries are gone.

    I am of the opinion that we need to approach the off season as if we have nobody capable in our secondary. Even if Chris Cook returns he needs to be treated as a luxury because one more screw up and he is gone. Priority number one should be signing a lineman and corner in free agency. Go hard after Carl Nicks / Ben Grubbs and Brent Grimes. I also like FS Dashon Goldson who has had a pretty good year with the 49er's.

    I am fine with re-signing Sullivan who I feel has picked up his play but both OG positions need upgraded. I will not deny that big 6'5, 335 lbs. Kelechi Osemele really intrigues me. Having him and Nicks or Grubbs opening holes ..... don't forget how many times we have been stuffed on 3rd and short this year. Of course Kevin Zeitler would also be a very solid draft pick.

    I do not want to see us stupidly draft a left tackle in the first, ESPECIALLY in the top 5, just because we need one. The drop off in talent from Kalil to Martin and Reiff is pretty damn steep. I am not even a fan of Blackmon who I feel is a little overrated but I would take him in the top 5 before reaching on any tackle not named Kalil.

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    Are there any rounds in which we don't pick again? the 1st pick could/should go either Khalil or Claiborne. Then pick up BPA in second, preferably OL, WR, LB. Since we will be picking early in second, we may be able to trade down here to get some more value out of the pick. If we have a 3rd rounder it wouldnt hurt to plug in BPA on defense anywhere in the back seven. Players that I like so far in this draft: Khalil, Claiborne, Mike Adams, Ryan Broyles, WR Brazzil from Ohio U.

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    The offseason is going to be really interesting.

    We obviously need to address the offensive line, secondary, linebackers, wide receivers and defensive line ... but in what order is up for debate and it will be interesting to see what the top brass thinks.

    If we are picking No. 2 or No. 3 we will have no choice but to seriously consider Justin Blackmon. The good thing about being in the top 4 is we will be assured of getting either Matt Kalil, Morris Claiborne or Blackmon. Any of these picks would pay immediate dividends. What will be curious is who we take if we get a shot at all three at No. 2 (and of course, keep in mind there are still two or three players out there that will shoot up draft boards and one of these guys could very well slip for whatever reason).

    Personally, I would like to see us take Kalil if all three are available because that gives us a QB and LT to build the offense around while still having a very solid young playmaking WR and very solid young TE. To go with a RB that should still have three or four very good years in him, our offense would be in good shape I think (assuming Kalil does not bust). We could try to address WR through FA at that point depending on who becomes available. I think the hopes for Dwayne Bowe and Marcus Colston are far-too-wishful thinking, but damn that would be nice.

    We then HAVE to address the secondary in FA (in particular safety since there are always four or five guys floating around) and in the draft.

    I still don't know though. A weapon like Justin Blackmon sitting there at No. 2 will be very difficult to pass on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    The offseason is going to be really interesting.

    We obviously need to address the offensive line, secondary, linebackers, wide receivers and defensive line ... but in what order is up for debate and it will be interesting to see what the top brass thinks.

    If we are picking No. 2 or No. 3 we will have no choice but to seriously consider Justin Blackmon. The good thing about being in the top 4 is we will be assured of getting either Matt Kalil, Morris Claiborne or Blackmon. Any of these picks would pay immediate dividends. What will be curious is who we take if we get a shot at all three at No. 2 (and of course, keep in mind there are still two or three players out there that will shoot up draft boards and one of these guys could very well slip for whatever reason).

    Personally, I would like to see us take Kalil if all three are available because that gives us a QB and LT to build the offense around while still having a very solid young playmaking WR and very solid young TE. To go with a RB that should still have three or four very good years in him, our offense would be in good shape I think (assuming Kalil does not bust). We could try to address WR through FA at that point depending on who becomes available. I think the hopes for Dwayne Bowe and Marcus Colston are far-too-wishful thinking, but damn that would be nice.

    We then HAVE to address the secondary in FA (in particular safety since there are always four or five guys floating around) and in the draft.

    I still don't know though. A weapon like Justin Blackmon sitting there at No. 2 will be very difficult to pass on.
    There is a good chance that St Louis will take Blackmon with the #2 pick. It all depends on the couple of games. if we win one of these games, we will definitely pick 3rd. If we tie for the 2nd pick, I think that St. Louis will probably win that. Their needs at Oline are glaring but as you mentioned about the Vikes passing on Blackmon, it will also be hard for St Louis to do as well.

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    It's going to be hard to pass on taking a 'skill position' player as high as the Vikings are going to pick.
    There is a fair chance the best player available would also neatly fall into a position of need.
    I'm always in favor of selecting the BPA, not wasting picks by trading up, and going easy in free agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimal93 View Post
    There is a good chance that St Louis will take Blackmon with the #2 pick. It all depends on the couple of games. if we win one of these games, we will definitely pick 3rd. If we tie for the 2nd pick, I think that St. Louis will probably win that. Their needs at Oline are glaring but as you mentioned about the Vikes passing on Blackmon, it will also be hard for St Louis to do as well.
    If we tie for the second pick we will have a decent shot at it. The Bears are likely going to struggle down the stretch as are the Lions which would lower our strength of schedule. Meanwhile the Rams still play the 49ers, Steelers and Bengals ... all of which don't look like they are going to stop winning games.

    As it stands right now, the Rams 16 game schedule is 111-81 and ours is 109-83 ... which would give us the No. 2 pick. Of course both us and them play 4 more games, as do all the teams on the schedules, but the Rams remaining schedule and ours, we could easily end up winning that tie breaker.

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