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    Re: X-Men origins: Wolverine

    I never quite understood the X Men 3 hate.

    Its not as good as 1 and 2 but I still liked it.
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    Re: X-Men origins: Wolverine

    "happy" wrote:
    I never quite understood the X Men 3 hate.

    Its not as good as 1 and 2 but I still liked it.
    The problem I had with it was that it was an incredible waste of the Dark Phoenix storyline.
    I watched the cartoon as a kid - and the cartoon did it better than the movie did.
    I'll repeat that - the Saturday Morning CARTOON, which had to operate within the constraints of what is acceptable for a cartoon that kids watch, was written better than the live-action film, which has no such constraints.

    One reason for that is that it didn't kill off Cyclops in an unceremonious fashion.
    Having Cyclops die like that ELIMINATED an interesting angle on the storyline.
    How would her longtime boyfriend feel, when compared with Wolverine?
    That would be something I'd like to see.
    But no, the movie would rather introduce a bunch of new, underdeveloped characters.

    The way the story was handled was bad, and overall unsatisfying.

    There was also that Challenged Hillbilly Lover'd battle near the end where the mutants are fighting (Magneto is sending wave after wave of mutants after the soldiers), but it doesn't matter because Jean Grey is just standing there, doing nothing.
    The fight could have gone on for ten minutes, thirty minutes, two hours, or five seconds, and it wouldn't matter, because you know that at any minute, Jean Grey could come in and end it all using her powers.
    It's just there to pad time.
    That's a sign of bad writing - bad writing that plagues the entire film.

    X3 is one of those films that I'd rather pretend didn't happen.
    Now, I know it's just my opinion, but I think it's one of the worst big-budget movies to come out within the past ten years.
    On par with Spider-Man 3, really.


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    Re: X-Men origins: Wolverine

    I believe Cyclops was killed off because the actor was doing another movie. There was talks he wouldn't even be in the movie at all.

    The Phoenix saga was probably a bad idea to bring to film. That is probably why Brian Singer dropped out of X Men 3. Its a shame that they ended X Men 2 the way the did because it forced X Men 3 to have Phoenix whether they wanted to or not.

    And you are wrong, nothing is as bad as Spider-Man 3.
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    Re: X-Men origins: Wolverine

    "happy" wrote:
    I believe Cyclops was killed off because the actor was doing another movie. There was talks he wouldn't even be in the movie at all.

    The Phoenix saga was probably a bad idea to bring to film. That is probably why Brian Singer dropped out of X Men 3. Its a shame that they ended X Men 2 the way the did because it forced X Men 3 to have Phoenix whether they wanted to or not.

    And you are wrong, nothing is as bad as Spider-Man 3.
    As bad as Spider-Man 3 is, it's not even the worst superhero movie ever made.
    That would be Superman 4.
    Or the version of The Punisher starring Dolph Lundgren.
    Or the Roger Corman Fantastic Four film.

    And I stand by my statement that X-Men 3 is on the same badness level as SM3.
    Maybe not exactly equal, but they're on the same tier of bad filmmaking.


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