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    Re: What We'd Lose if We Had to Buy Only American

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    Take Shania Twain back too. She is all used up.
    Oh we'll take her back and Randy Quaid is heading back south but Pamela Anderson Lee has to stay in the US as she has had so much California silicon and botox in her she's now made in the USA
    Fine,

    But for the time being we are keeping Elisha Cuthbert :P
    Thats alright, she's been passed around the NHL enough, she's all yours. In the words of Sean Avery, you can have "my sloppy seconds".
    I would still do the unspeakable to her and so would you and everyone else around here.
    We're bringing purple back.

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    Re: What We'd Lose if We Had to Buy Only American

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098124
    Quote Originally Posted by "BadlandsVikings" #1098103
    Legions of patriotic Americans look for "made in USA" stickers before buying products, out of a desire to support the country's economy.

    But what if we all were restricted to purchasing only those goods that were made in America?

    Our homes would be stripped virtually bare of........
    http://money.msn.com/how-to-budget/what-if-you-had-to-buy-american.aspx?gt1=33029
    So many elements were left out of that article so that the author could write a pro-import piece...

    The problem we face is that the cost of living here is much higher than in China, India, or Taiwan. Those places also don't have things like US taxes, FICA, EPA, or OSHA. Put that all together, and the companies manufacturing over there are paying a LOT less for labor...and pocketing it all as pure profit.

    The author tried to argue that, "There's no question that U.S. manufacturers employ far fewer people now -- about 11.7 million in April -- than when the sector peaked at 19.6 million workers in 1979. But the decline in jobs is largely due to technological advances that have reduced the number of workers needed to run factories, Perry and Fisher pointed out.", but I dispute that. General Motors shipped most of it's jobs from Janesville to Silao, Mexico. General Electric reduced it's US workforce by 5000 jobs...but increased it's overseas workforce by - you guessed it - 5000 jobs.

    While technological improvements have played a part, they didn't administer the killing blow that NAFTA did.

    The truth is, the "Free Trade" agreements only benefit the manufacturers. If I can ship my products anywhere, without tarrifs or fees, then it makes financial sense to go where the manufacturing COSTS are cheapest...and that ain't here.

    There are reasons why 95% of the wealth in America is in 3% of the hands...after all, how many $10,000-per-plate fund raisers have YOU gone to? Between big business, big oil, and big finance, we're screwed.

    Caine
    Which is why I'm retiring in the Philippines as Ned has done.

    The labor rates is so low in those counties, it's unbelievable. My employer TRW, has a factory in Mexico just to reap those cheap rates & even in those countries there's still stiff competition.

    It's not uncommon for a TRW employee in Mexico to go out for lunch, be offered another job on the street for a few pennies more per hour at the factory across the street, He'll take that job on the spot, starting there right after his lunch, never to go back to TRW. That is why TRW & other companies have a cafeteria in them, so the laborers don't go out to lunch.
    Will you be able to speak Filipino when you get there, some people get grumpy with older people that go to countries that don't speak the native languages....jab, jab

    Yeah I know it is one of the 2 official languages

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    Re: What We'd Lose if We Had to Buy Only American

    Quote Originally Posted by "vikinggreg" #1098228
    Quote Originally Posted by "singersp" #1098200
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1098124
    Quote Originally Posted by "BadlandsVikings" #1098103
    Legions of patriotic Americans look for "made in USA" stickers before buying products, out of a desire to support the country's economy.

    But what if we all were restricted to purchasing only those goods that were made in America?

    Our homes would be stripped virtually bare of........
    http://money.msn.com/how-to-budget/what-if-you-had-to-buy-american.aspx?gt1=33029
    So many elements were left out of that article so that the author could write a pro-import piece...

    The problem we face is that the cost of living here is much higher than in China, India, or Taiwan. Those places also don't have things like US taxes, FICA, EPA, or OSHA. Put that all together, and the companies manufacturing over there are paying a LOT less for labor...and pocketing it all as pure profit.

    The author tried to argue that, "There's no question that U.S. manufacturers employ far fewer people now -- about 11.7 million in April -- than when the sector peaked at 19.6 million workers in 1979. But the decline in jobs is largely due to technological advances that have reduced the number of workers needed to run factories, Perry and Fisher pointed out.", but I dispute that. General Motors shipped most of it's jobs from Janesville to Silao, Mexico. General Electric reduced it's US workforce by 5000 jobs...but increased it's overseas workforce by - you guessed it - 5000 jobs.

    While technological improvements have played a part, they didn't administer the killing blow that NAFTA did.

    The truth is, the "Free Trade" agreements only benefit the manufacturers. If I can ship my products anywhere, without tarrifs or fees, then it makes financial sense to go where the manufacturing COSTS are cheapest...and that ain't here.

    There are reasons why 95% of the wealth in America is in 3% of the hands...after all, how many $10,000-per-plate fund raisers have YOU gone to? Between big business, big oil, and big finance, we're screwed.

    Caine
    Which is why I'm retiring in the Philippines as Ned has done.

    The labor rates is so low in those counties, it's unbelievable. My employer TRW, has a factory in Mexico just to reap those cheap rates & even in those countries there's still stiff competition.

    It's not uncommon for a TRW employee in Mexico to go out for lunch, be offered another job on the street for a few pennies more per hour at the factory across the street, He'll take that job on the spot, starting there right after his lunch, never to go back to TRW. That is why TRW & other companies have a cafeteria in them, so the laborers don't go out to lunch.
    Will you be able to speak Filipino when you get there, some people get grumpy with older people that go to countries that don't speak the native languages....jab, jab

    Yeah I know it is one of the 2 official languages

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    Re: What We'd Lose if We Had to Buy Only American

    Quote Originally Posted by "BadlandsVikings" #1098103
    Legions of patriotic Americans look for "made in USA" stickers before buying products, out of a desire to support the country's economy.

    But what if we all were restricted to purchasing only those goods that were made in America?
    http://money.msn.com/how-to-budget/what-if-you-had-to-buy-american.aspx?gt1=33029
    It would be a complete nightmare for us, how would we get bread and milk? :whistle:

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    Re: What We'd Lose if We Had to Buy Only American

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1098174
    I'd say the US leads the world in manufacturing because they specialize in making bigger, more complex and expensive items.

    Cars, Boats, Computers, Software, planes, industrial machinery, etc.

    Big 'manufacturing' countries like China, Japan, etc. for the most part make a whole lot of cheaper good. Japan, obviously has alot of tech and automobile manufacturing, but China, not so much.

    Since US has far fewer manufacturing jobs, but much more output, they are far more efficient. I bet if they had to buy the small items in America only, it would work both ways....

    However, more people are being paid a decent wage, and ideally unemployment would decrease. Will those people be able to afford the now much more expensive items? A computer that costs $600 might now be $900.
    Computers are not made here for the most part. Most of the fabs are in Malaysia, Taiwan, Japan, and China. More and more of the parts are moving to China (PRC).

    Monitors and big screen TV's? None are made here.

    Cars? We bailed out GM just after they closed plants in the Unites States and opened a new plant in Russia. We bailed out Chrysler so they could be purchased by Fiat (Italy). Ford sold off Jaguar and Range Rover to an Indian multinational that uses far more labor than American and European factories.

    Harley Davidson resisted building in China, but year after year they found no help from trade negotiators under the G.W.Bush administration. Now, the formerly United States built motorcycle will be built in China for not only the Chinese market but for Japan, Korea, Australia, Russia, India, and the rest of Asia.

    Planes? This industry is highly subsidized and only stays afloat because of military contracts.

    The WTO just ruled that "country of origin" labels are illegal under their rules because they "restrict free trade".

    The Chinese don't only force American companies to build in China. They force corporate mergers with their government run corporations. This way they can have rights to all of the patents and technology. In time, they muscle the American corporations out.

    The Chinese are not part of the WTO, and they do what they want. They learned from European dominance of China in the 19th and early 20th Centuries how the game is played, but this time they are the ones with all the cards.

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