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    michaelmazid is offline Team Alumni
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    Re: We no longer have property rights.

    Just read about it on cnn.com and I must admit that this really bothers me. I bought my house a little over a year ago and the thought that it could be make in to a hwy really bothers me.

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    Re: We no longer have property rights.

    perhaps zoning is a necessary evil? After all, zoning does prevent a slaughterhouse from setting up shop right next to your property. It's not perfect, but it does offer some protections to property owners.

    a couple of responses:

    What ever rights you had on that land you bought it etc. you should have in perpetuity unless the Government is willing to compensate you for the difference.
    but they have to compensate you, that's part of of the deal in any taking of property. whether the amount they give is acceptable is another matter.

    The American Democracy is also about protectiong the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority, one should never forget that or put it aside for it will bite you in the jiggly butt one day too if you do.
    In part, it is supposed to do that, but most political decisions weigh individual rights against the common good. that's what make them political.

    lastly, I'm not excited about this decision. In fact, I'd prefer that it went the other way. what it means in that local governments have more power. And as spiderman says, "with great power comes great responsibility." Unfortunately, the responsibility in this case devolves down to you, the individual citizen. I'd like to think that in most cases, local governments do as much as their constituencies allow them.

    DR, I predict you may be running for a city council seat

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    Re: We no longer have property rights.

    "ColoradoVike" wrote:
    perhaps zoning is a necessary evil? After all, zoning does prevent a slaughterhouse from setting up shop right next to your property. It's not perfect, but it does offer some protections to property owners.

    a couple of responses:

    What ever rights you had on that land you bought it etc. you should have in perpetuity unless the Government is willing to compensate you for the difference.
    but they have to compensate you, that's part of of the deal in any taking of property. whether the amount they give is acceptable is another matter.

    The American Democracy is also about protectiong the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority, one should never forget that or put it aside for it will bite you in the jiggly butt one day too if you do.
    In part, it is supposed to do that, but most political decisions weigh individual rights against the common good. that's what make them political.

    lastly, I'm not excited about this decision. In fact, I'd prefer that it went the other way. what it means in that local governments have more power. And as spiderman says, "with great power comes great responsibility." Unfortunately, the responsibility in this case devolves down to you, the individual citizen. I'd like to think that in most cases, local governments do as much as their constituencies allow them.

    DR, I predict you may be running for a city council seat
    I think this new gem of a decision is wrong on so many levels. I guess that is why I have the second ammendment so when they come to pay me half of what my house is worth to build a payless shoe store for "public use" I can take a few out before they do.

    The only problem is of course they wont come themselves they will send bob the construction guy who is just doing his job to try and get by. So I'm gonna be sad but Bob is going to have to die.

    To me this tweakage of a rule is to line pockets and that is all. Before I always considered public use a highway or a park or another avenue of transportation. I do not consider wal-mart and wendy's public use. At least not dire enough to boot a family from their home for less then it is worth.

    And no way in hell I run for anything political. Viking Spirit on the other hand is our next president.

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    Re: We no longer have property rights.

    "ColoradoVike" wrote:
    perhaps zoning is a necessary evil? After all, zoning does prevent a slaughterhouse from setting up shop right next to your property. It's not perfect, but it does offer some protections to property owners.

    a couple of responses:

    What ever rights you had on that land you bought it etc. you should have in perpetuity unless the Government is willing to compensate you for the difference.
    but they have to compensate you, that's part of of the deal in any taking of property. whether the amount they give is acceptable is another matter.

    The American Democracy is also about protectiong the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority, one should never forget that or put it aside for it will bite you in the jiggly butt one day too if you do.
    In part, it is supposed to do that, but most political decisions weigh individual rights against the common good. that's what make them political.

    lastly, I'm not excited about this decision. In fact, I'd prefer that it went the other way. what it means in that local governments have more power. And as spiderman says, "with great power comes great responsibility." Unfortunately, the responsibility in this case devolves down to you, the individual citizen. I'd like to think that in most cases, local governments do as much as their constituencies allow them.

    DR, I predict you may be running for a city council seat
    BTW, it was Peter Parker's Uncle Ben that said that.
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    Re: We no longer have property rights.

    Yeap this is just wrong.
    But we will see more and more courts doing just this.

    When I was growing up I remember my Uncles talking about the American future.
    And how one day America would be a cross between Democracy and Socialism.
    It seems like this is yet another example of how wise our elders were.

    I sure see this sparking violence when this is put into play.
    People go Minuteman when this propert rights stuff happens.
    And I can't say as I would blame them.

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    Re: We no longer have property rights.

    That's nuts. At this point the government practically owns everything. If they want it, they can have it. While the senate and the house bicker over the flag burning amendment, the supreme court takes our right to private property away....way to go bureaucracy!

    That's infuriating.

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    Re: We no longer have property rights.

    There was an issue like this a while back down here in Texas. The city wanted to renovate a mall and needed a small section of homes to be removed. From what I remember, the city gave everyone a very fair price, and all but a couple refused. The persons who refused tried to sue the city and eventually lost. The city kept giving offers, each one less than the last, until they finally had to sell at substantially less than they could of gotten in the beginning.

    To make a long story short, just sell your house and don't try and fight the city, you more than likely won't win. And yes, it is complete BS!
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    Re: We no longer have property rights.

    "NeoVikesTX" wrote:
    There was an issue like this a while back down here in Texas. The city wanted to renovate a mall and needed a small section of homes to be removed. From what I remember, the city gave everyone a very fair price, and all but a couple refused. The persons who refused tried to sue the city and eventually lost. The city kept giving offers, each one less than the last, until they finally had to sell at substantially less than they could of gotten in the beginning.

    To make a long story short, just sell your house and don't try and fight the city, you more than likely won't win. And yes, it is complete BS!
    Yeap that was in North Richland Hills.

    But I must say that I wouldn't have lived next to that mall.
    It was a crime pit of a place, so many illegals and gang members.
    So I would have taken that money and run.
    I lived off Rufe Snow Dr back in the early 80's and even back then it was a nasty mall.

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    Re: We no longer have property rights.

    "6-KINGS" wrote:
    "NeoVikesTX" wrote:
    There was an issue like this a while back down here in Texas. The city wanted to renovate a mall and needed a small section of homes to be removed. From what I remember, the city gave everyone a very fair price, and all but a couple refused. The persons who refused tried to sue the city and eventually lost. The city kept giving offers, each one less than the last, until they finally had to sell at substantially less than they could of gotten in the beginning.

    To make a long story short, just sell your house and don't try and fight the city, you more than likely won't win. And yes, it is complete BS!

    Yeap that was in North Richland Hills.

    But I must say that I wouldn't have lived next to that mall.
    It was a crime pit of a place, so many illegals and gang members.
    So I would have taken that money and run.
    I lived off Rufe Snow Dr back in the early 80's and even back then it was a nasty mall.
    Yes, it was Northeast Mall (actually it is in Hurst). I agree with not wanting to live over there next to the Mall, especially with all the new stores and movie theater they have other there now. I guess some people are just comfortable where they are at and did not want to change. I really feel bad for those people though, I'm sure they got screwed financially for fighting the city like that.

    Also, if you are talking about that mall in NRH (North Hills Mall), it is pretty much abandoned now. Northeast Mall has completely taken over that area.
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    Re: We no longer have property rights.

    F*#K BUSH and his Republican Monkeys !!!!

    -- Republicans introduce a "softer" version of Pres. Bush's social security privatization reform yesterday
    -- Light sweet crude oil back to $60 / barrel again today (all time high)
    -- Supreme Court saying I dont own what I sweat daily to pay for
    -- WAR IN IRAQ STILL HAS NO END IN SIGHT !!! Contributing to $430+ Billion (yes, that is a "B" at the beginning) in national debt
    -- Nation wide home prices at all time high (but still the gov't can now low ball ya if they want and steal your dream home right from under you all in the name of progress)
    -- Unrelated note, Congress and Bush pass laws making it almost impossible for people who need to, to file for bankruptcy. They now first have to go through consumer credit agencies (big business) for @ the min. of 6 monthes and still no guarantee will be allowed to file.

    ** Seriously people, when does this junk end ???? **

    I dont know about everyone else, but my last wage increases have not even come CLOSE to matching all the additional expenses that have come up in the past year or so. If it's not gas prices, homeowners insurance (extremely high for us FL residents, lucky hurricane lovers that we are), car insurance, etc. etc..

    Something has to give here soon and sorry to say, it's not going to be pretty. We now in the last couple monthes begin to hear how jobless claims (unemployment) is slowing and ever more jobs are available. Yet, people seem poorer then ever and have less discretionary income.

    Can't wait till the next pres. election ... Anyone know how many days till then ????

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