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    Thomas Hits HR #500; Then Gets Tossed

    You can figure Thome, Manny, A-Rod, and maybe Sheffield is he can hit 27 more this year.
    That's quite a list of 500 HR players in one season.

    I think in time, 500 will not be such a benchmark as it used to be.
    Just like getting 30 HR's in a season does not really define a powerhitter anymore.
    Now, it is more like 40 HR.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=ApxFU0qNCP0GN91QBYQ2MRARvLYF?gid=270628 109&prov=ap

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    Re: Thomas Hits HR #500; Then Gets Tossed

    How soon do you think that the benchmark for homerun hitters to get into the hall of fame will be 600?

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    Re: Thomas Hits HR #500; Then Gets Tossed

    Speaking of Hall of Fame....it is time Roger Maris gets in, and he gets the record back

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    Re: Thomas Hits HR #500; Then Gets Tossed

    "NDVikingFan66" wrote:
    Speaking of Hall of Fame....it is time Roger Maris gets in, and he gets the record back
    http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/faq.htm#maris

    Why isn't Roger Maris in the Hall of Fame?

    Roger Maris first became eligible for induction into the National Baseball Hall of Fame in 1974. According to the rules of election, Maris was eligible for consideration by the Baseball Writers' Association (BBWAA) of America for fifteen years. During that span of time, Maris garnered a considerable number of votes, though never more than the 75% required for induction. In 1992, after a required three-year wait following the BBWAA voting period, Maris became eligible for consideration for induction by the Hall of Fame Committee on Baseball Veterans. At this time, Roger Maris remains eligible for consideration by the Hall of Fame Committee on Baseball Veterans, but not the BBWAA.

    While Mr. Maris is not currently a member of the Hall of Fame, he is well represented in the Museum. Many artifacts from his career are part of the Museum collection. Both the bat and ball from his record-breaking 61st home run of the 1961 season are on display here at the Museum.
    And his career stats:
    12 Seasons


    1463 Games
    5101 ABs
    826 Runs
    1325 Hits
    195 Doubles, 42 Triples, 275 HRs,
    851 RBIs
    .260 BA,
    .345 OBA,
    .476 Slugging


    By no stretch of the imagination are those Hall-of-Fame caliber numbers.

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    Re: Thomas Hits HR #500; Then Gets Tossed

    "Zeus" wrote:
    "NDVikingFan66" wrote:
    Speaking of Hall of Fame....it is time Roger Maris gets in, and he gets the record back
    http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/faq.htm#maris

    Why isn't Roger Maris in the Hall of Fame?

    Roger Maris first became eligible for induction into the National Baseball Hall of Fame in 1974. According to the rules of election, Maris was eligible for consideration by the Baseball Writers' Association (BBWAA) of America for fifteen years. During that span of time, Maris garnered a considerable number of votes, though never more than the 75% required for induction. In 1992, after a required three-year wait following the BBWAA voting period, Maris became eligible for consideration for induction by the Hall of Fame Committee on Baseball Veterans. At this time, Roger Maris remains eligible for consideration by the Hall of Fame Committee on Baseball Veterans, but not the BBWAA.

    While Mr. Maris is not currently a member of the Hall of Fame, he is well represented in the Museum. Many artifacts from his career are part of the Museum collection. Both the bat and ball from his record-breaking 61st home run of the 1961 season are on display here at the Museum.
    And his career stats:
    12 Seasons


    1463 Games
    5101 ABs
    826 Runs
    1325 Hits
    195 Doubles, 42 Triples, 275 HRs,
    851 RBIs
    .260 BA,
    .345 OBA,

    .476 Slugging


    By no stretch of the imagination are those Hall-of-Fame caliber numbers.

    =Z=
    Here we go with the lameass "numbers" arguement.

    Bill Mazeroski is in the fricken Hall because of his defense.
    His career numbers are not all that great and he was never an MVP.
    He was part of 2 World Series winning teams.
    It's compete BS that Maris is not in the Hall of Fame.
    He broke the most famous record in all of sports...and he held it for a long time before some beef-roid junkie broke the damn thing!

    Maris:

    -Record 61 homeruns in 1961
    -2 time MVP
    -4 time All Star
    -Gold Glove in 1960
    -Career Fielding %: .982
    -Holds New York Yankees single season record for Home Runs (61 in 1961)
    -Seven World Series (1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1967, 1968)
    -3 World Series Championships
    -Six World Series Home Runs
    -And a good flippin' person!

    Bill Mazeroski

    -7 time All Star
    -8 Gold Gloves
    -3 World Series
    -2 World Series Championships

    You cannot compare stats because Maris player 12 seasons and Mazeroski played 17.
    The whole notion of "numbers" is dumb.
    If you want to look at numbers you have to look at average per season.

    Maris
    Seasons:
    12
    Hits:
    1325
    (110 avg. per season)
    Runs:
    826
    (69 avg. per season)
    2B:
    195
    (16 avg. per season)
    HR:
    275
    (23 avg. per season)
    RBI:
    851
    (71 avg. per season)
    Batting Avg.:
    .260

    Mazeroski
    Seasons:
    17
    Hits:
    2016
    (119 avg. per season)
    Runs:
    769
    (45 avg. per season)
    2B:
    294
    (17 avg. per season)
    HR:
    138
    (8 avg. per season)
    RBI:
    853
    (50 avg. per season)
    Batting Avg.:
    .260

    See, it's total bull that the Veterans Committee picked Mazeroski over Maris!
    Yes, Maz had a great glove, but so did Maris even though he did not win as many Gold Gloves.
    As far as "numbers" the 2 most important numbers are Runs and RBI's...and Maris has the edge there.

    It's just a shame that Maris is not in the HoF.
    It is an embarrassment to the game of baseball that a star like Maris is not in there.
    He has the awards and the rings!
    Plus...he is from Minnesota!


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    Re: Thomas Hits HR #500; Then Gets Tossed

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    "Zeus" wrote:
    "NDVikingFan66" wrote:
    Speaking of Hall of Fame....it is time Roger Maris gets in, and he gets the record back
    http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/faq.htm#maris

    Why isn't Roger Maris in the Hall of Fame?

    Roger Maris first became eligible for induction into the National Baseball Hall of Fame in 1974. According to the rules of election, Maris was eligible for consideration by the Baseball Writers' Association (BBWAA) of America for fifteen years. During that span of time, Maris garnered a considerable number of votes, though never more than the 75% required for induction. In 1992, after a required three-year wait following the BBWAA voting period, Maris became eligible for consideration for induction by the Hall of Fame Committee on Baseball Veterans. At this time, Roger Maris remains eligible for consideration by the Hall of Fame Committee on Baseball Veterans, but not the BBWAA.

    While Mr. Maris is not currently a member of the Hall of Fame, he is well represented in the Museum. Many artifacts from his career are part of the Museum collection. Both the bat and ball from his record-breaking 61st home run of the 1961 season are on display here at the Museum.
    And his career stats:
    12 Seasons


    1463 Games
    5101 ABs
    826 Runs
    1325 Hits
    195 Doubles, 42 Triples, 275 HRs,
    851 RBIs
    .260 BA,
    .345 OBA,

    .476 Slugging


    By no stretch of the imagination are those Hall-of-Fame caliber numbers.

    =Z=
    Here we go with the lameass "numbers" arguement.

    Bill Mazeroski is in the fricken Hall because of his defense.
    His career numbers are not all that great and he was never an MVP.
    He was part of 2 World Series winning teams.
    It's compete BS that Maris is not in the Hall of Fame.
    He broke the most famous record in all of sports...and he held it for a long time before some beef-roid junkie broke the gol 'darnit thing!

    Maris:

    -Record 61 homeruns in 1961
    -2 time MVP
    -4 time All Star
    -Gold Glove in 1960
    -Career Fielding %: .982
    -Holds New York Yankees single season record for Home Runs (61 in 1961)
    -Seven World Series (1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1967, 1968)
    -3 World Series Championships
    -Six World Series Home Runs
    -And a good flippin' person!

    Bill Mazeroski

    -7 time All Star
    -8 Gold Gloves
    -3 World Series
    -2 World Series Championships

    You cannot compare stats because Maris player 12 seasons and Mazeroski played 17.
    The whole notion of "numbers" is dumb.
    If you want to look at numbers you have to look at average per season.

    Maris
    Seasons:
    12
    Hits:
    1325
    (110 avg. per season)
    Runs:
    826
    (69 avg. per season)
    2B:
    195
    (16 avg. per season)
    HR:
    275
    (23 avg. per season)
    RBI:
    851
    (71 avg. per season)
    Batting Avg.:
    .260

    Mazeroski
    Seasons:
    17
    Hits:
    2016
    (119 avg. per season)
    Runs:
    769
    (45 avg. per season)
    2B:
    294
    (17 avg. per season)
    HR:
    138
    (8 avg. per season)
    RBI:
    853
    (50 avg. per season)
    Batting Avg.:
    .260

    See, it's total bull that the Veterans Committee picked Mazeroski over Maris!
    Yes, Maz had a great glove, but so did Maris even though he did not win as many Gold Gloves.
    As far as "numbers" the 2 most important numbers are Runs and RBI's...and Maris has the edge there.

    It's just a shame that Maris is not in the HoF.
    It is an embarrassment to the game of baseball that a star like Maris is not in there.
    He has the awards and the rings!
    Plus...he is from Minnesota!

    Aha...NOW we see the motivation behind this thread!!!
    BANNED OR DEAD...I'LL TAKE EITHER ONE

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    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    Here we go with the lameass "numbers" arguement.

    Bill Mazeroski is in the fricken Hall because of his defense.
    His career numbers are not all that great and he was never an MVP.
    He was part of 2 World Series winning teams.
    It's compete BS that Maris is not in the Hall of Fame.
    He broke the most famous record in all of sports...and he held it for a long time before some beef-roid junkie broke the damn thing!

    Maris:

    -Record 61 homeruns in 1961
    -2 time MVP
    -4 time All Star
    -Gold Glove in 1960
    -Career Fielding %: .982
    -Holds New York Yankees single season record for Home Runs (61 in 1961)
    -Seven World Series (1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1967, 1968)
    -3 World Series Championships
    -Six World Series Home Runs
    -And a good flippin' person!

    Bill Mazeroski

    -7 time All Star
    -8 Gold Gloves
    -3 World Series
    -2 World Series Championships

    You cannot compare stats because Maris player 12 seasons and Mazeroski played 17.
    The whole notion of "numbers" is dumb.
    If you want to look at numbers you have to look at average per season.

    Maris
    Seasons:
    12
    Hits:
    1325
    (110 avg. per season)
    Runs:
    826
    (69 avg. per season)
    2B:
    195
    (16 avg. per season)
    HR:
    275
    (23 avg. per season)
    RBI:
    851
    (71 avg. per season)
    Batting Avg.:
    .260

    Mazeroski
    Seasons:
    17
    Hits:
    2016
    (119 avg. per season)
    Runs:
    769
    (45 avg. per season)
    2B:
    294
    (17 avg. per season)
    HR:
    138
    (8 avg. per season)
    RBI:
    853
    (50 avg. per season)
    Batting Avg.:
    .260

    See, it's total bull that the Veterans Committee picked Mazeroski over Maris!
    Yes, Maz had a great glove, but so did Maris even though he did not win as many Gold Gloves.
    As far as "numbers" the 2 most important numbers are Runs and RBI's...and Maris has the edge there.

    It's just a shame that Maris is not in the HoF.
    It is an embarrassment to the game of baseball that a star like Maris is not in there.
    He has the awards and the rings!
    Plus...he is from Minnesota!
    Comparing Mazeroski and Maris's defensive statistics is not valid, as they played different positions.
    Maris was an outfielder who handled many fewer balls than a second baseman like Maz.


    Why not compare Maris against other OF's not in the Hall?
    I know the answer - because his career stats in all categories pale in comparison.


    Like it or not, baseball is a statistics-driven sport.
    And numbers are used to judge, in great part, the impact of a player on the game.
    Maris's greatest season, 1961, is well represented in the HoF (ever been there?
    I have) but the body of work for his relatively short career is not HoF-worthy, IMHO.

    =Z=

    Thanks to Josdin for the awesome sig!

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    Re: Thomas Hits HR #500; Then Gets Tossed

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    Here we go with the lameass "numbers" arguement.

    Bill Mazeroski is in the fricken Hall because of his defense.
    His career numbers are not all that great and he was never an MVP.
    He was part of 2 World Series winning teams.
    It's compete BS that Maris is not in the Hall of Fame.
    He broke the most famous record in all of sports...and he held it for a long time before some beef-roid junkie broke the damn thing!
    A couple more things:
    the single-season HR record is not "the most famous record in all of sports".
    Ask any European or Asian or South American if they know anything about that number and they will look at you with questioning eyes.

    And, baseball-reference.com provides an interesting comparison of Roger Maris' career stats vs. others with the similar careers:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=marisro01:Roger+Maris&st=career

    Is Jay Buhner a Hall-of-Famer?
    Eric Davis?
    Danny Tartabull?

    Like it or not, baseball immortality is largely based on offensive numbers.
    It is the rare player (Ozzie Smith is the greatest example for me) of a player who can transcend mediocre offensive stats with his defensive wizardry - and, again, we're talking about a shortstop, not an outfielder, in that case.

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    Re: Thomas Hits HR #500; Then Gets Tossed

    Frank Thomas often put the big hurt on the Twins.
    The Big Hurt has hit exactly one tenth, (that is 50 for any Packer fans looking on) of his homers against us.
    Let us not Forget that Craig Biggio also got his 3000 hit last night.
    I wonder how much the guy that caught the ball will get for it?

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    Re: Thomas Hits HR #500; Then Gets Tossed

    "vikingivan" wrote:
    Frank Thomas often put the big hurt on the Twins.
    The Big Hurt has hit exactly one tenth, (that is 50 for any Packer fans looking on) of his homers against us.
    Let us not Forget that Craig Biggio also got his 3000 hit last night.
    I wonder how much the guy that caught the ball will get for it?
    He got a ball, autographed jersey and bat from Frank Thomas after the game because he was willing to give Frank the ball, rather than try to reap personal profit from it.

    Classy move on that guy's part.

    =Z=

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