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    Re: states who do not have tough child support laws have 27%

    I remeber an English teacher that defended that in order to reduce car accidents, cars should not be safer and safer, they should have spikes on the steering wheels and dinamite on the bumper, cause that would make people think twice about driving in a wreckless way....
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    Re: states who do not have tough child support laws have 27%

    "webmaster" wrote:
    Do we need political debates? They lead to nothing good. Or else I will need to section off an area for such agenda items.
    I wouldn't bring back the political debate fourm...it'll just end up being alot of personal attacks like it did last time. There was some good discussion going on, but it ended up being lots of personal attacks. Heck, even I sunk to a couple personal attacks in the old political fourm.

    It's probably a better idea to keep politics off this site (you're probably suprised this coming from me...lol).

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    Re: states who do not have tough child support laws have 27%

    "Viking_Spirit" wrote:
    "webmaster" wrote:
    Do we need political debates? They lead to nothing good. Or else I will need to section off an area for such agenda items.
    I wouldn't bring back the political debate fourm...it'll just end up being alot of personal attacks like it did last time. There was some good discussion going on, but it ended up being lots of personal attacks. Heck, even I sunk to a couple personal attacks in the old political fourm.

    It's probably a better idea to keep politics off this site (you're probably suprised this coming from me...lol).
    Heck, it might even bring bigdogbovy and jarhead back here...seems like that was the only time that those two "diehard" Viking fans spoke up on the board. :lol:
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    Re: states who do not have tough child support laws have 27%

    Yes this is a place to come and get away from the political issues of the world and to talk football and other stuff non-political.

    Political discussion is good but name calling, slandering and all is not fun and it often times ends bad for all involved. jmo
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    Re: states who do not have tough child support laws have 27%

    2 things:

    #1. That statistic (27% fewer single moms) doesn't account for whether that 27% is composed of first-time married couples, or situations in states which force divorced moms with kids to have to re-marry against their better judgement, just because an adult male will bring in more money. Single-mother households are not always (or even a majority of the time) dysfunctional (more than most, I mean) or less worthy than two-parent households. Moreover, I for one would rather live in a single-parent household (I did, although my dad was cool) than in a household in which the state didn't force my deadbeat (hypothetical) dad to help my mother support me, resulting in my mom having to shack up with some smelly alcoholic abusive dickhole, just because he brings in some cash.

    The point is, statistics (especially ones thrown into the public forum without adequate explanation of the survey's research methods, scope, region/culture, sources of funding, and the questions posed to those surveys) can hardly be taken at face value, because numbers can never tell the individual histories and backgrounds for given situations.

    #2. I firmly believe (as I stated in the last month before the 2004 election) that we should make a strong effort to avoid political and culturally controversial topics here. I've never seen a message board thread which ever convinced anyone posting to change their point of view, and have only witnessed them degrade into flame-wars. The exception to that observation is on political message boards, which I feel PP.O should never become. I eat, breathe, and shit politics, and this place is where I come to get away from that, and relax by reading and talking about my Vikes. And yet, the dorky political junkie/activist that I am, it's far from my nature to let any political topic stand without comment...so I would personally prefer that we avoid my radical blather altogether by not even going there. I can take that crap to more fitting message boards. I readily admit that I'm not in a position to dictate what rules should be laid down by PP.O, and I can only speak for myself, but if others agree that PP.O should steer clear of political threads, lemme get a 'hell yeah!'
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    'Hell yeah'
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    Re: states who do not have tough child support laws have 27%

    "Odin VAVikefan" wrote:
    2 things:

    #1. That statistic (27% fewer single moms) doesn't account for whether that 27% is composed of first-time married couples, or situations in states which force divorced moms with kids to have to re-marry against their better judgement, just because an adult male will bring in more money. Single-mother households are not always (or even a majority of the time) dysfunctional (more than most, I mean) or less worthy than two-parent households. Moreover, I for one would rather live in a single-parent household (I did, although my dad was cool) than in a household in which the state didn't force my deadbeat (hypothetical) dad to help my mother support me, resulting in my mom having to shack up with some smelly alcoholic abusive dickhole, just because he brings in some cash.

    The point is, statistics (especially ones thrown into the public forum without adequate explanation of the survey's research methods, scope, region/culture, sources of funding, and the questions posed to those surveys) can hardly be taken at face value, because numbers can never tell the individual histories and backgrounds for given situations.

    #2. I firmly believe (as I stated in the last month before the 2004 election) that we should make a strong effort to avoid political and culturally controversial topics here. I've never seen a message board thread which ever convinced anyone posting to change their point of view, and have only witnessed them degrade into flame-wars. The exception to that observation is on political message boards, which I feel PP.O should never become. I eat, breathe, and pooh politics, and this place is where I come to get away from that, and relax by reading and talking about my Vikes. And yet, the dorky political junkie/activist that I am, it's far from my nature to let any political topic stand without comment...so I would personally prefer that we avoid my radical blather altogether by not even going there. I can take that crap to more fitting message boards. I readily admit that I'm not in a position to dictate what rules should be laid down by PP.O, and I can only speak for myself, but if others agree that PP.O should steer clear of political threads, lemme get a 'hell yeah!'
    Just don't tell me that you commute to DC every day for work...I know plenty of people who do that here!!! :lol:
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    Re: states who do not have tough child support laws have 27%

    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "Viking_Spirit" wrote:
    "webmaster" wrote:
    Do we need political debates? They lead to nothing good. Or else I will need to section off an area for such agenda items.
    I wouldn't bring back the political debate fourm...it'll just end up being alot of personal attacks like it did last time. There was some good discussion going on, but it ended up being lots of personal attacks. Heck, even I sunk to a couple personal attacks in the old political fourm.

    It's probably a better idea to keep politics off this site (you're probably suprised this coming from me...lol).
    Heck, it might even bring bigdogbovy and jarhead back here...seems like that was the only time that those two "diehard" Viking fans spoke up on the board. :lol:
    Jarhead was around for a little bit after the election...but BigDog just fell off the charts right after Nov. 2nd.

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    Re: states who do not have tough child support laws have 27%

    "Viking_Spirit" wrote:
    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "Viking_Spirit" wrote:
    "webmaster" wrote:
    Do we need political debates? They lead to nothing good. Or else I will need to section off an area for such agenda items.
    I wouldn't bring back the political debate fourm...it'll just end up being alot of personal attacks like it did last time. There was some good discussion going on, but it ended up being lots of personal attacks. Heck, even I sunk to a couple personal attacks in the old political fourm.

    It's probably a better idea to keep politics off this site (you're probably suprised this coming from me...lol).
    Heck, it might even bring bigdogbovy and jarhead back here...seems like that was the only time that those two "diehard" Viking fans spoke up on the board. :lol:
    Jarhead was around for a little bit after the election...but BigDog just fell off the charts right after Nov. 2nd.
    He is probably out thumping Bibles door to door somewhere!!! :lol:
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    Re: states who do not have tough child support laws have 27%

    "cajunvike" wrote:
    "Odin VAVikefan" wrote:
    2 things:

    #1. That statistic (27% fewer single moms) doesn't account for whether that 27% is composed of first-time married couples, or situations in states which force divorced moms with kids to have to re-marry against their better judgement, just because an adult male will bring in more money. Single-mother households are not always (or even a majority of the time) dysfunctional (more than most, I mean) or less worthy than two-parent households. Moreover, I for one would rather live in a single-parent household (I did, although my dad was cool) than in a household in which the state didn't force my deadbeat (hypothetical) dad to help my mother support me, resulting in my mom having to shack up with some smelly alcoholic abusive dickhole, just because he brings in some cash.

    The point is, statistics (especially ones thrown into the public forum without adequate explanation of the survey's research methods, scope, region/culture, sources of funding, and the questions posed to those surveys) can hardly be taken at face value, because numbers can never tell the individual histories and backgrounds for given situations.

    #2. I firmly believe (as I stated in the last month before the 2004 election) that we should make a strong effort to avoid political and culturally controversial topics here. I've never seen a message board thread which ever convinced anyone posting to change their point of view, and have only witnessed them degrade into flame-wars. The exception to that observation is on political message boards, which I feel PP.O should never become. I eat, breathe, and pooh politics, and this place is where I come to get away from that, and relax by reading and talking about my Vikes. And yet, the dorky political junkie/activist that I am, it's far from my nature to let any political topic stand without comment...so I would personally prefer that we avoid my radical blather altogether by not even going there. I can take that crap to more fitting message boards. I readily admit that I'm not in a position to dictate what rules should be laid down by PP.O, and I can only speak for myself, but if others agree that PP.O should steer clear of political threads, lemme get a 'hell yeah!'
    Just don't tell me that you commute to DC every day for work...I know plenty of people who do that here!!! :lol:
    Nah, I just finished my edjumication at Mary Washington here in F-Burg and got an apartment here after getting a job with GEICO and moving from Alexandria (where I stayed between semesters). BTW, my sister lives close to you (you're in Falls Church??); in the condominiums across the streets where Sears was and where the shopping center with Home Depot stands, in Seven Corners.
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