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    SCOTUS discussion from the Vikings Forum

    I said:
    Reading deeper, I think we can actually blame the republicans of '93-'94 for the origins of this tactic, since they were the first to ramp it up against Clinton. But even THAT undermines the case that it is being done against Obama for more insidious reasons (such as race, which is the motive usually attached to this).

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    It is not race; it is corporate power.

    Perhaps we could continue in the clubhouse if we want to get into details.


    This whole fight is revolving around the DC Court of Appeals, where all the shenanigans that are being used by Obama to get around Congress by using regulations will ultimately be decided constitutionality-wise. There have been openings on that court going all the way back to when Reid was blocking blocking W with cloture. Obama wants to stack that court with his people, allowing him to basically replace Congress with his bureaucracy and its regulations.

    Most regulations that in effect create tax law or anything else that congress usually does has to be authorized BY congress, and Obama has not been getting congressional approval. That has created lawsuits that will be decided by the DC court of appeals, and right now the court has an equal number of liberal and conservative judges.

    If Obama wins this fight, he will create an Executive Branch that has more power than any previous president ever enjoyed, and it won't stop when he leaves office. Expect the next republican president to do the same thing. This is why libertarians like me get all worked up over it; it WILL change the balance of power between Congress and the Executive Branch.

    As of now, the executive executes laws created by congress, he/she cannot make law him/herself. But if the president can in effect make law by creating regulations that are new laws in every way except name without having to get approval from Congress, we have just created our first king with term limits.

    Why would they EVER try to get Congress to pass anything? They could just either write executive orders or have the relevant department write new regulations doing what he/she wants done.
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    If Obama wins this fight, he will create an Executive Branch that has more power than any previous president ever enjoyed, and it won't stop when he leaves office. Expect the next republican president to do the same thing. This is why libertarians like me get all worked up over it; it WILL change the balance of power between Congress and the Executive Branch.
    If Obama wins this fight?

    Bush already won it.

    Have you seen how many pro-corporation revisionist rulings have come from Bush appointees at all levels from the SCOTUS on down? The Republicans do not want anyone but their own judges, who have been bought and paid for, to be on those courts.

    If you count yourself a true libertarian, you would have spoken up long ago. It really sounds to me like you gave Bush a pass on all of this. The progressives have been fighting these anti-constitutional actions for many years.

    Why would they EVER try to get Congress to pass anything? They could just either write executive orders or have the relevant department write new regulations doing what he/she wants done.
    That is what Bush did. Even worse, his interior department asked his corporate friends to sue the federal government, so they could settle out of court and get what they wanted without the Congress being involved at all.

    He then stacked all levels of the federal court system with pro-corporate judges. They have ruled against the people at every level. They have ruled that corporations are people with more rights than you or I have. They have ruled that billionaires and corporations can feed as much money into the political system as they want. They basically made political bribery legal.

    If you are a libertarian, you would be outraged. You certainly would not have voted for these corporatists in the Republican Party, and you would have resisted the neo-liberals (free market rules all types) in the Democratic Party.

    The reality is that the Democratic Party is right of center, and the Republican Party is far right. None of that bodes well for progressives or libertarians.

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