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    The real meaning!!

    For those of you who never knew what the words truly meant in the twelve days of Christmas here it is enjoy:

    And Merry Christmas!!

    The Twelve Days of Christmas Song, No one seems to know who wrote what seems to be a nonsensical song, but legend has it as being written during the period of time when Roman Catholics in England were not allowed to practice their faith without punishment (which would explain why no one credits themselves for penning it), the song was to help children to remember the tenets of their faith. Many consider this another urban legend though, mainly because everything in the song goes along with both the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church doctrine. And that it seems to have a French origen, not English.
    The true love was God Himself.
    The me was any baptized person.
    The partridge in a pear tree was Christ and may of referred to Matt. 23:37 and Luke 13:34.
    The 2 turtle doves were the Old and New Testaments.
    3 French hens stood for faith, hope and love. (1 Cor. 13) The Theological Virtues
    The 4 calling birds were the 4 gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Four Evangelists
    The 5 golden rings recalled the Torah or law; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. The Law or Pentateuch.
    The 6 geese a laying were the 6 days of creation.
    The 7 swans a swimming were the 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 7:30) The 7 Sacraments.
    The 8 maids a milking were the eight Beatitudes. (Matt. 5-6).
    The 9 ladies dancing were the 9 truths of the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5).
    The 10 Lords a leaping were the 10 Commandments.
    The 11 pipers piping were the 11 faithful apostles.
    The 12 drummers drumming symbolized the 12 points of belief in the Apostle Creed.
    Note: In the original version the first 5 gifts were all birds, 1st day = Partridge, 2nd day = 2 Turtle Doves, 3rd day = 3 French Hens, 4th day = 4 Colly Birds (Blackbirds) not Calling birds, and on the 5th day = 5 Golden Rings (referred to ring-necked pheasants) not jewelry.

    There s only two things stopping you - fear and common sense!! The Truth you CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!

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    Re: The real meaning!!

    Thanks Tark.
    I have wondered about that before...now I know the rest of the story.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

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    Re: The real meaning!!

    Any time!!
    Glad to help you out!
    And Felix's naughty dog to you!!
    Try to figure that one out!!

    There s only two things stopping you - fear and common sense!! The Truth you CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!

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    Re: The real meaning!!


    Snopes says no.

    http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/12days.asp

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    Re: The real meaning!!

    "Del" wrote:

    Snopes says no.

    http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/12days.asp
    Damn you Del!
    Yet again I thought I learned something only to find out I still know nothing.
    Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please. Mark Twain

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    Re: The real meaning!!

    "Acumen" wrote:
    "Del" wrote:

    Snopes says no.

    http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/12days.asp
    gol 'darnit you Del!
    Yet again I thought I learned something only to find out I still know nothing.
    Haha...I feel the same way!

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    Re: The real meaning!!

    The article you found Del may not explain it that well either.
    He is usuing logic in this century to explain actions centuries ago.
    He is making a logical HYPOTHESIS but no evidence.
    The problem is back then everyone was not as logical as we are today.
    The paranoid feelings of cathilocs in England at the time cannot be gaged!!
    Most people would logically think that no witches were burned in Salem if you had no evidence and were looking at the people of that time.
    We now know witches can not possess people and even if they could you can't tell who a witch would be by throwing them in water to see if they float.
    He logically tries to explain away the song and he may be correct.
    But he uses no evidence but rather logic.
    That can not always be the right path when talking about people who were frightened and paranoid because anyone could turn them in for heiracy.
    Friends, family, neighbors and enemies anyone with a reason could report you and the magistrate can just take you away.
    They were allowed to walk into your home and comb the place for anything believed sacriligious.
    So the article may be true but he gave no evidence that story he tries to discredit is false.
    He basically uses logic and then gives HIS Opinion.
    Is the first one I posted true I don't know after reading Del's article I am more skepticle but I am not convinced about Del's article either.



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    Re: The real meaning!!

    I think this article really is the definitive one.
    It basically says that while both sides have used logic to explain their points of view the reality is that both have no evidence and simply use their logic to come to their conclusions! ;D

    The Twelve Days of Christmas
    Dennis Bratcher

    The Twelve Days of Christmas is probably the most misunderstood part of the church year among Christians who are not part of liturgical church traditions. Contrary to much popular belief, these are not the twelve days before Christmas, but in most of the Western Church are the twelve days from Christmas until the beginning of Epiphany
    (January 6th; the 12 days count from December 25th until January 5th). In some traditions, the first day of Christmas begins on the evening of December 25th but the following day is considered the First Day of Christmas (December 26th).

    The origin of the Twelve Days is complicated, and is related to differences in calendars, church traditions, and ways to observe this holy day in various cultures (see Christmas).
    In the Western church, Epiphany is usually celebrated as the time the Wise Men or Magi arrived to present gifts to the young Jesus (Matt. 2:1-12). Traditionally there were three Magi, probably from the fact of three gifts, even though the biblical narrative never says how many Magi came.
    In some cultures, especially Hispanic and Latin American culture, January 6th is observed as Three Kings Day, or simply the Day of the Kings (Span: la Fiesta de Reyes, el Dia de los Tres Reyes, or el Dia de los Reyes Magos; Dutch: Driekoningendag).
    Even though December 25th is celebrated as Christmas in these cultures, January 6th is often the day for giving gifts. In some places it is traditional to give Christmas gifts for each of the Twelve Days of Christmas. Since Eastern Orthodox traditions use a different religious calendar, they celebrate Christmas on January 7th and observe Epiphany or Theophany on January 19th.

    By the 16th century, some European and Scandinavian cultures had combined the Twelve Days of Christmas with (sometimes pagan) festivals celebrating the changing of the year. These were usually associated with driving away evil spirits for the start of the new year.

    The Twelfth Night is January 5th, the last day of the Christmas Season before Epiphany (January 6th). In some church traditions, January 5th is considered the eleventh Day of Christmas, while the evening of January 5th is still counted as the Twelfth Night, the beginning of the Twelfth day of Christmas the following day.
    Twelfth Night often included feasting along with the removal of Christmas decorations. French and English celebrations of Twelfth Night included a King's Cake, remembering the visit of the Three Magi, and ale or wine (a King's Cake is part of the observance of Mardi Gras in French Catholic culture of the Southern USA).
    In some cultures, the King's Cake was part of the celebration of the day of Epiphany.

    The popular song "The Twelve Days of Christmas" is usually seen as simply a nonsense song for children. However, some have suggested that it is a song of Christian instruction dating to the 16th century religious wars in England, with hidden references to the basic teachings of the Faith.
    They contend that it was a mnemonic device to teach the catechism to youngsters. The "true love" mentioned in the song is not an earthly suitor, but refers to God Himself. The "me" who receives the presents refers to every baptized person who is part of the Christian Faith. Each of the "days" represents some aspect of the Christian Faith that was important for children to learn.

    However, many have questioned the historical accuracy of this origin of the song The Twelve Days of Christmas.
    It seems that some have made an issue out of trying to debunk this as an "urban myth," some in the name of historical accuracy and some out of personal agendas.
    There is little "hard" evidence available either way.
    Some church historians affirm this account as basically accurate, while others point out apparent historical discrepancies. However, the "evidence" on both sides is mostly in logical deduction and probabilities.
    One internet site devoted to debunking hoaxes and legends says that, "there is no substantive evidence to demonstrate that the song 'The Twelve Days of Christmas' was created or used as a secret means of preserving tenets of the Catholic faith, or that this claim is anything but a fanciful modern day speculation. . .."
    What is omitted is that there is no "substantive evidence" that will disprove it either.

    It is certainly possible that this view of the song is legendary or anecdotal. Without corroboration and in the absence of "substantive evidence," we probably should not take rigid positions on either side and turn the song into a crusade for personal opinions.
    That would do more to violate the spirit of Christmas than the song is worth.
    So, for the sake of historical accuracy, we need to acknowledge this uncertainty.

    However, on another level, this uncertainty should not prevent us from using the song in celebration of Christmas. Many of the symbols of Christianity were not originally religious, including even the present date of Christmas, but were appropriated from contemporary culture by the Christian Faith as vehicles of worship and proclamation. Perhaps, when all is said and done, historical accuracy is not really the point.
    Perhaps more important is that Christians can celebrate their rich heritage, and God's grace, through one more avenue this Christmas. Now, when they hear what they once thought was a secular "nonsense song,"
    they will be reminded in one more way of the grace of God working in transforming ways in their lives and in our world.
    After all, is that not the meaning of Christmas anyway?

    (Click on a picture below to go to a devotional for that day)


    On the 1st day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    A Partridge in a Pear Tree
    The partridge in a pear tree is Jesus the Christ, the Son of God, whose birthday we celebrate on December 25, the first day of Christmas. In the song, Christ is symbolically presented as a mother partridge that feigns injury to decoy predators from her helpless nestlings, recalling the expression of Christ's sadness over the fate of Jerusalem: "Jerusalem! Jerusalem! How often would I have sheltered you under my wings, as a hen does her chicks, but you would not have it so . . . ." (Luke 13:34)

    On the 2nd day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    Two Turtle Doves
    The Old and New Testaments, which together bear witness to God's self-revelation in history and the creation of a people to tell the Story of God to the world.

    On the 3rd day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    Three French Hens
    The Three Theological Virtues:
    1) Faith, 2) Hope, and 3) Love (1 Corinthians 13:13)

    On the 4th day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    Four Calling Birds
    The Four Gospels: 1) Matthew, 2) Mark, 3) Luke, and 4) John, which proclaim the Good News of God's reconciliation of the world to Himself in Jesus Christ.

    On the 5th day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    Five Gold Rings
    The first Five Books of the Old Testament, known as the Torah or the Pentateuch:
    1) Genesis, 2) Exodus, 3) Leviticus, 4) Numbers, and 5) Deuteronomy, which gives the history of humanity's sinful failure and God's response of grace in the creation of a people to be a light to the world.

    On the 6th day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    Six Geese A-laying
    The six days of creation that confesses God as Creator and Sustainer of the world (Genesis 1).

    On the 7th day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    Seven Swans A-swimming
    The seven gifts of the Holy Spirit: 1) prophecy, 2) ministry, 3) teaching, 4) exhortation, 5) giving, 6) leading, and 7) compassion (Romans 12:6-8; cf. 1 Corinthians 12:8-11)

    On the 8th day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    Eight Maids A-milking
    The eight Beatitudes: 1) Blessed are the poor in spirit, 2) those who mourn, 3) the meek, 4) those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, 5) the merciful, 6) the pure in heart, 7) the peacemakers, 8) those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake. (Matthew 5:3-10)

    On the 9th day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    Nine Ladies Dancing
    The nine Fruit of the Holy Spirit: 1) love, 2) joy, 3) peace, 4) patience, 5) kindness,
    6) generosity, 7) faithfulness, 8) gentleness, and 9) self-control.
    (Galatians 5:22)

    On the 10th day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    Ten Lords A-leaping
    The ten commandments: 1) You shall have no other gods before me; 2) Do not make an idol; 3) Do not take God's name in vain; 4) Remember the Sabbath Day; 5) Honor your father and mother; 6) Do not murder; 7) Do not commit adultery; 8) Do not steal; 9) Do not bear false witness; 10) Do not covet. (Exodus 20:1-17)

    On the 11th day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    Eleven Pipers Piping
    The eleven Faithful Apostles: 1) Simon Peter, 2) Andrew, 3) James, 4) John, 5) Philip, 6) Bartholomew, 7) Matthew, 8) Thomas, 9) James bar Alphaeus, 10) Simon the Zealot, 11) Judas bar James.
    (Luke 6:14-16).
    The list does not include the twelfth disciple, Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus to the religious leaders and the Romans.

    On the 12th day of Christmas my true love gave to me...


    Twelve Drummers Drumming
    The twelve points of doctrine in the Apostles' Creed: 1) I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. 2) I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord. 3) He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. 4) He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell [the grave]. 5) On the third day he rose again. He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. 6) He will come again to judge the living and the dead. 7) I believe in the Holy Spirit, 8) the holy catholic Church, 9) the communion of saints, 10) the forgiveness of sins, 11) the resurrection of the body, 12) and life everlasting.

    Epiphany, January 6



    An Epiphany Devotional


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    Hey, It's just a song. A rather repetitive song, but nonetheless a song. I personally enjoy singing it during the holidays. I also rather enjoy the meaningless folly of it and plan on keeping it thus. Tradition, you understand.

    As for snopes.........talk about being baffled with BS! What is said there may well have validity to it, but I felt a little abused after reading that article. LOL

    The one sparkling truth is that there really are 12 days of Chrismas.


    Personally, I don't think there is intelligent life on other planets. Why should other planets be any different from this one?

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    I'm not falling for thinking I learned something again!


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