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  1. #11
    Prophet Guest

    Re: Porter's Pit bulls kill a horse.

    "Json" wrote:
    I am an owner of two pitbulls.
    I have a very biased opinion about the breed and think it's just stupid for people to state that these dogs should not be bred, and should be banned.
    I laugh at stupidity.

    Hears an example I always use for people that are against the breed of pitbulls, rotweillers, etc.
    Lets say a year ago you had a black person steal your car stereo out of your car or you where beat up by a black person for really no reason. Now would you think it is fair to put all black people in jail?
    Would it be fair to kill all black people and ban them from your community?
    This can work for white, yellow, brown, orange, grey, and or any other colored person but you get the point.

    I have read many articles about pitbulls, I have other friends with some pitbulls, and I promise that these dogs are not bad because of breed.
    These dogs are bad because of the deed of the owner.
    Pitubulls are one of the most loyal dogs you'll ever meet.
    They do anything they can to please there owner.
    Thats all there life is about, is to make sure there owner is happy.
    This can work against the breed in a drastic way because thugs, young inmature punks, and irresponsible people that get there hands on these dogs and use them for all the wrong reasons.
    I have met people that I know that do stupid things with these dogs and it makes me sick.
    I call them on it at all times.
    I as an owner of this breed have a responsiblity to change the opinions of the uneducated haters that just hate on things that they do not understand.
    I will not pull up stats of dog bites etc and I will not say that pitbulls do not hurt others at times, but I will say that it's the deed not the breed and nobody will ever change my opinion for the sole purpose that I have been around pitbulls for over 10 years.

    Please open your eyes when it comes to the breeds.
    The way to fix these issues is by enforcing the laws and/or making the laws very harsh for the owners of these pets that cause problems.
    They need to be punished in every sense of the word.
    As I stated above it makes me sick to think that people get these dogs and neglect them because the consequences can be horrific.
    Joey Porter is a prime example of this happening.
    It's a sad day for the pitbull family because it's one more negative story about the breed which makes the naysayers come out the woodworks to cry foul.
    it's a shame.
    Personally, I'm sick of pit bull apologists.
    There are many examples of pit bulls killing other animals, children, people, etc.
    Sure, you can put the blame on the owners, I agree with that partially.
    The dogs are agressive and a bad owner can make for a bad pet...just ignoring pitbulls and NOT training them to be agressive toward others is enough to cause problems.

    I bet you I could ignore my black lab for the rest of it's life and it would never go out and kill a horse or a person.
    I have known many people with pit bulls over my years of existence and I have seen well-mannered pit bulls too.
    Would I trust my children playing with them when I'm not there monitoring the situation?
    Hell no.
    Would I trust my young son playing with my lab without adult supervision?
    Yes, any day of the week.

  2. #12
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    Re: Porter's Pit bulls kill a horse.

    All men may be created equal, but not all dogs. Says Katherine Houpt, director of the Animal Behavior Clinic at Cornell and author of Domestic Animal Behavior: "Different breeds have genetic predispositions to certain kinds of behavior, though that can be influenced by how they are raised. The pit bull is an innately aggressive breed, often owned by someone who wants an aggressive dog, so they're going to encourage it."

    Pit bulls have been bred specifically to be aggressive. They're descended from the now- extinct old English "bulldogge," a big, tenacious breed used in the brutal early- nineteenth-century sport of bull baiting, in which rowdy spectators watched dogs tear apart an enraged bull. Victorian reformers, concerned about the coarsening effect bull baiting had on its devotees, banned it by the early 1830s, but enterprising bull baiters merely migrated to an equally bloody sport: organized dog fighting.

    As Carl Semencic, author of several informative books on guard dogs, and a big pit-bull fan, describes it, the bulldogge owners made a striking discovery: "a cross between the bulldogge and any of the game [i.e., brave and tenacious] and relatively powerful terriers of the day produced a game, powerful, agile, and smaller, more capable opponent in the dog pits." These bull-and-terrier crosses became renowned for fighting prowess and soon were the only dogs used in organized dog fighting in England and later in the United States. To preserve the bull-and-terrier's pugnacious traits, the dogs were bred only to dogs of the same cross. Thus was born the pit-bull terrier, "the most capable fighting dog known to modern man," Semencic enthuses.

    Though breeders, realizing the pit bull was an attractive dog when it wasn't scrapping, bred a less feisty version—the American Staffordshire terrier ("Pete" of the old Our Gang comedy series is a well-known representative)—the pit-bull terrier is first and last a fighting dog. Its breeding history separates it from other tough dogs like Doberman pinschers and rottweilers, which have been bred to guard their masters and their property. Pit bulls are genetically wired to kill other dogs.

    The pit bull's unusual breeding history has produced some bizarre behavioral traits, de- scribed by The Economist's science editor in an article published a few years ago, at the peak of a heated British controversy over dangerous dogs that saw the pit bull banned in England. First, the pit bull is quicker to anger than most dogs, probably due to the breed's unusually high level of the neurotransmitter L-tyrosine. Second, pit bulls are frighteningly tenacious; their attacks frequently last for 15 minutes or longer, and nothing—hoses, violent blows or kicks—can easily stop them. That's because of the third behavioral anomaly: the breed's remarkable insensitivity to pain. Most dogs beaten in a fight will submit the next time they see the victor. Not a defeated pit bull, who will tear into his onetime vanquisher. This, too, has to do with brain chemistry. The body releases endorphins as a natural painkiller. Pit bulls seem extra-sensitive to endorphins and may generate higher levels of the chemical than other dogs. Endorphins are also addictive: "The dogs may be junkies, seeking pain so they can get the endorphin buzz they crave," The Economist suggests.

    Finally, most dogs warn you before they attack, growling or barking to tell you how angry they are—"so they don't have to fight," ASPCA advisor and animal geneticist Stephen Zawistowski stresses. Not the pit bull, which attacks without warning. Most dogs, too, will bow to signal that they want to frolic. Again, not the pit bull, which may follow an apparently playful bow with a lethal assault.

    I'm sure if you were a good owner and you nurtured your dog and took care of your dog that it would be fine. BUT I don't care to sit and think is that pitbull running at my kid one that was taken care of or not? There is no way in hell to enforce a law that allows someone to go check up on all pitbull owners just so SOMEONE CAN HAVE A PET. So they are banned. I have no problem with that.

    The best part is, if you don't like it you can move.

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    Re: Porter's Pit bulls kill a horse.

    There are 2 simple truths here.
    1) I would venture to guess that at least 50% of all people that own dogs are irresponsible and have no idea how to manage them. As a dog breeder, I am extremely selective who gets one of my dogs and I don't raise a breed that is dangerous in the slightest. The vast majority of people who want a pet should get a cat. Less maintinence.
    2) Dogs were not originally bred and kept for the purpose of being pets. Toy breeds aside. They were bred for specific tasks and purposes. Thus, the qualities were set inately and hard wired (on purpose) with these needs in mind. A quick read through what a pit bull or for that matter, Am Staffs, Dobs, Rotts etc were originally bred for will be a clear
    indication to understanding the hard wiring of the dog.

    I agree the owner is key to the behaviour of the dog. But the truth is that most people choose their dogs for looks or other irrelevant features and disregard temperment issues. Who knows when the dog will respond from an innate place inside and react accordingly. What a dog perceives as a threat can sometimes differ from what people do.

    As a part of a rescue issue, I ended up with some Danes. Fortunately they were puppies at the time and I was able to form a ironclad heirarchy. No matter what the size or breed of the dog this I believe is an absolute must. If you cannot alpha your dog you WILL have problems. This fact was driven home for me when a friend of mine who raised Yorkies and Pomeranians had an incident where a pom got hurt and started to squeal (they do that) and her yorkies packed together and killed the pom. There was absolutely no reason for them to do this, they were not threatened or provoked in anyway. But Yorkies are Terriers. Vermin hunters by definition.

    The bottom line is that there are breeds of dogs that aren't naturally inclined to be pets. Combined that with irresponsible ownership tragedies can and do occur. Pit bulls do, most of the time, own the top spot with regards to unprovoked attacks.

    Personally, I don't think there is intelligent life on other planets. Why should other planets be any different from this one?

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    Re: Porter's Pit bulls kill a horse.

    Is this the third simple truth?

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    Re: Porter's Pit bulls kill a horse.

    Any dog can kill something or someone, if there owner is an A$$hat.

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