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    Re: Phil Jackson, coach of the lakers again!

    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    I was just saying that if they do not get any really good players via trade or FA and he takes the team to the Conf. Finals, then he will no doubt be the best ever.

    Don't get me wrong, Phil is good. But, he had Mike then Shaq and Kobe.

    Ah but LA had kob and shaq before phil got there and they continued to underacheive. Chicago had jordan before phil and they couldn't get over the hump. It takes more than great players to win a championship. It also takes a great coach.

    Think of past NBA championship teams and their coaches. You won't find any without a great coach.

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    Re: Phil Jackson, coach of the lakers again!

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    "muchluv4smoot" wrote:
    Quote Originally Posted by ultravikingfan
    If Phil can coach this team to the Conference Finals with the players he has, then he is truly the greatest NBA coach ever.

    Won't happen though.

    We don't know the players phil has yet. There is still FA, the draft and they are going to be making some trades as well. I am hearing that they are close to a trade with indy for jonathon bender and indy's #17 pick. LA might try and move up with the #17 and #10. It would be awesome if they could get to #3 and get chris paul, but felton would be fine with me.
    I ssid with the players he has.

    Yes, obviously they will draft some. But, few make huge impacts their rookie year. And if they don't sign a big free agent. I guess I should've added that too.


    Your forgetting trades, because from what I am hearing, from a great LA source, they will make at least 2 big trades this offseason.

    And felton is a rookie who will make a big impact for whichever team gets him IMO. He has all the tools to be a big time NBA PG. He is the fastest player in the draft, with the ball, can play shut down D, can get the ball to the rim at will, pusshes the ball on made or missed shots, and has a very good jump shot. If LA gets him, he will start and be a huge impact to their team next year IMO. Boozer and bender will also be big additions as well, if those trades do indeed happen.

    Trust me, phil wouldn't have taken this job, without knowing some big moves, to improve the team, were about to happen(other than their #10 pick). It will have to be in trades though, because they have absolutely no # to spend this year.
    Nevermind. You missed the point.

    I tend to do that a lot and it is pointless to try and explain also. :grin:

    Oh well. Phil was a great signing and points that they are planning on making some big moves to change this team. They will be a playoff team forsure and battle for the championship after this upcoming season.

    Also, lets not forget, there might not even be a d@mn season thanks to stupid david stern. God I hate that guy! Hockey isn't missed by me at all, but basketball would suck without, even though I like college ball way better.
    Really there might not be a season??? I havent heard of this yet and i have been watching the playoffs all this time and havent heard of it.

    Im assuming its because some people want more dinero?
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    Re: Phil Jackson, coach of the lakers again!

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    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    I was just saying that if they do not get any really good players via trade or FA and he takes the team to the Conf. Finals, then he will no doubt be the best ever.

    Don't get me wrong, Phil is good. But, he had Mike then Shaq and Kobe.

    Ah but LA had kob and shaq before phil got there and they continued to underacheive. Chicago had jordan before phil and they couldn't get over the hump. It takes more than great players to win a championship. It also takes a great coach.

    Think of past NBA championship teams and their coaches. You won't find any without a great coach.
    Are they a great coach because they won a championship?

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    Re: Phil Jackson, coach of the lakers again!

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    Well considering Jackson ripped the hell out of Kobe in his book, and that team is loaded with a bunch of 2nd stringers. I highly doubt him being there will do anything.

    If he can unload a few players he would be better off, but who are you going to get in return? Lamar Odom is a waste of space I wouldn't be surprised to see him go.

    I think this move was just because Phil is whooped, his nuts are in a jar on the shelf. The west is a powerhouse, the Lakers still need a lot of work, and Phil likes to let someone else do the work and then lead them to victory. So I don't see this move as anything special.


    To me phil taking the lakers job is a sign that the team is making some moves behind to scenes to significantly change the makeup of this team. Phil doesn't like rebuilding and IMo would only take this job if they made some moves to get the talent better on the team.

    I have heard some rumors that LA is again in the market for carlos boozer, from utah. They tried hard to get him before the trade deadline last year, but failed because they were also pushing hard for barron davis. It sounds like they want to somehow get boozer and keep odom, so boozer can play the 4 and they can move odom to SF. Odom doesn't matchup well against the PF's of the west and would be very tough for SF's to handle. I think they somehow get boozewr, but I think they might even be willing to give up odom for him, but only if they have to. Caron Butler, who had an up and down year last year is out there and has some teams interested in him.

    I have also heard that LA is trying to get jonathon bender, who I wouldn't mind either. Also it sounds like LA is trying to either move up in the first round(probably to get my boy raymond felton), or are trying to get 2 firsts just to get 2 good players.

    Don't be suprised to see this LA team change significantly before the start of the season, and phil will have some say in the changes now too. He!!, if LA can get boozer and give up butler and a couple other scrubs, and get felton in the draft, I think they definitely have the talent to be a playoff team and a decent one at that. Felton at PG, kobe at SG, odom at SF, boozer at PF and mihm at C is a pretty d@mn good starting lineup, with cook, walton, chucky and george off the bench.

    But this signing of phil really tells me that LA plans to make some major moves to improve this team.

    Even if they don't, remember before rudy left the team, they had a decent record and were around 6th in the west(kobe, odom and butler missed a lot of games too), so even if they stay the same, along with a felton or may at 10, they are a playoff team to me with phil as their coach. Probably not much of a force though once their in the playoffs.
    I had the joy of watching Boozer all last year, (when he played) and I can say it is going to take a whole hell of a lot more then him to make any sort of difference especially in a western conference that is so far and above when it comes to talent and production.

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    Re: Phil Jackson, coach of the lakers again!

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    I was just saying that if they do not get any really good players via trade or FA and he takes the team to the Conf. Finals, then he will no doubt be the best ever.

    Don't get me wrong, Phil is good. But, he had Mike then Shaq and Kobe.

    Ah but LA had kob and shaq before phil got there and they continued to underacheive. Chicago had jordan before phil and they couldn't get over the hump. It takes more than great players to win a championship. It also takes a great coach.

    Think of past NBA championship teams and their coaches. You won't find any without a great coach.
    Are they a great coach because they won a championship?

    No, that was my point. Look at all the coaches that have won NBA championships and you will find that they are all great coaches. Look at last year even, larry brown. The pistons didn't have great players, yet he is a great ccoach, a hall of famer, and was before they won the championship, and he was enough for them to beat a team like LA with better players. Great coaches make good players better, playing for them. That is what phil does also.

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    Re: Phil Jackson, coach of the lakers again!

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    I had the joy of watching Boozer all last year, (when he played) and I can say it is going to take a whole hell of a lot more then him to make any sort of difference especially in a western conference that is so far and above when it comes to talent and production.

    Ah but was that the real boozer? The year before he looked much better(I know, it was in the eastern conference). Personally I think he had a down year last year and would thrive in phil's prescence and system. He wouldn't have to be the star in LA, with kobe there, and would benifit from the doubles that kobe always gets. Basically I see it as the same situation as he had in cleveland, with lebron, where he thrived. Boozer would give LA the big bodied rebounding PF they need, so odom can move to SF. Remember that besides what boozer could do in LA, he also improves LA by allowing odom to play SF, where he is a matchup nightmare.

    I stand by my statement that if LA gets boozer and felton in the draft, they are definitely a playoff team next year. I am not saying championship, but definitely an appearance in the playoffs.

    Watch out in 2 years when LA will have some cash to spend in FA. That is when they will make their championship run.

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    Really there might not be a season??? I havent heard of this yet and i have been watching the playoffs all this time and havent heard of it.

    Im assuming its because some people want more dinero?

    Here you go: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2083772

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    Woo hoo....the Lakers will still suck with the players they got....Phil better hope they pick up some more talent....Kobe and Odom can't win a title on their own!

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    Re: Phil Jackson, coach of the lakers again!

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    "hawaiianvike21" wrote:
    Really there might not be a season??? I havent heard of this yet and i have been watching the playoffs all this time and havent heard of it.

    Im assuming its because some people want more dinero?

    Here you go: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2083772

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