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    Re: Liveleaks Drops "Anti-Islam" Film After Threats

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    The only thing people care about is what's happening NOW.
    The french aren't killing people and the North Americans aren't killing off the Indians.

    The Islam extremests are creating more problems throughout the world than anybody else...it's no wonder that people focus their anger towards them...doesnt' make it right, but it's understandable.
    Correct.
    The extremists.
    Not the Islam religion as a whole, and not a majority of Muslims worldwide.
    In fact, a very small minority.
    That may be true, but that small group of Islam radicals are causing more damage and deaths RIGHT NOW then any of the other religious extremists.

    A little group but they still managed to pull off 9/11 and many deaths all across the world. I don't think you can afford to ignore them.

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    Re: Liveleaks Drops "Anti-Islam" Film After Threats

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
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    The reason is because in Islam, you are not allowed to depict anyone's likeness. For example, the Ottoman empire used no faces on their currency, the Hache. It's just a rule. Silly? Sure, but so are a lot of rules and dogmas in many different religions. Some people, who take texts literally, are more concerned about these things than others. Being a secularist myself, I find them all pretty ridiculous to get worked up about, especially when things turn violent.

    Anyways, the fact is that things like this film are just fodder for the uneducated, much like they are any place. People hear some pundit or zealot get riled up about something and get pissed off without even trying to figure out the issues for themselves, or completely ignoring anyone else's point of view.

    This world could use a whole lot more empathy and understanding on all sides.

    Edit: I was not referring to any of you as uneducated. I was talking about the Islamic literalists that are up in arms. I just realized that I didn't do a good job of indicating that.
    Tell me which sides needs understanding?

    /educated christian
    I'm pretty sure I said all of them. I could post pictures of all kinds of horrible pooh that Christians, Hindus, Jews and others say (or have said) and do (or have done), but I won't. Nor do I hardly need mention that the Holocaust or the Native American genocide, or the displacement of Palestinians, or the killing fields of the Khmer Rouge (just to name a few), were committed by people other than Muslims.

    All I'm trying to say is that showing respect for others is the only way to avoid constant conflict. The Muslims who are bent out of shape over something as dumb as this aren't showing any knowledge or consideration for Western culture, nor are the people who made this idiotic film showing any knowledge or consideration for Islam.

    It is an endless, vicious circle, and the whole thing is stupid.
    Very well put Dropper.
    I have been arguing the same thing in the other thread that was started on this film (which eventually got locked I believe).

    Taking the pictures of extremist Muslims and applying them to the entire Islam faith like that is exactly the same thing as posting pictures of Nazis and the KKK and likening them to all Christians.
    Nazis were certainly not Christians, I don't think they even claimed to be. They believed in many of Darwins teachings. Hence killing off the "infurior jews."

    And did KKK really claim Christianity? I don't think so, but I am not completely sure. I think they were Darwinians as well.

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    Everything i needed to know about islam, i learned on 9/11.

    :-[

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    Re: Liveleaks Drops "Anti-Islam" Film After Threats

    "hx38596" wrote:

    Everything i needed to know about islam, i learned on 9/11.

    :-[
    You might be surprised to find out some interesting facts about 9/11 if you do some research... 7 of the "terrorists" are still alive... one is an airline pilot in Pakistan.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/identities.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm


    EDIT: and it's Extremist Islam... not just Islam.
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    Re: Liveleaks Drops "Anti-Islam" Film After Threats

    "Mr" wrote:
    Why is it you can't say anything about Islam?

    You can rip on Christianity all you want


    Make fun of Jews? No big deal:


    Buddhism? Ha!:


    Daoism, Shinto, Pagans, anyone you want, except for Muslims.

    "God/Allah" forbid you make even a cartoon rendering of their prophet, you'll get threats, riots, it's ridiculous. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    You know what I say? I say, fuck terrorists, fuck these radical fundamentalists(of any religion), especially the Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist church, fuck you if you believe what they say, and fuck anyone who supports terror. I don't care how I say it, if you disagree, fuck you too. Too many innocent people have died at the hands of these bastards.

    I don't give a shit what color your skin is, I don't care what religion you are, but if you preach hate, if you support terror
    you deserve to die.


    RIP All the soldiers and victims of this war on terror.
    Good post Mr. Anderson
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    Re: Liveleaks Drops "Anti-Islam" Film After Threats

    "PacNWVike" wrote:
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    Why is it you can't say anything about Islam?

    You can rip on Christianity all you want


    Make fun of Jews? No big deal:


    Buddhism? Ha!:


    Daoism, Shinto, Pagans, anyone you want, except for Muslims.

    "God/Allah" forbid you make even a cartoon rendering of their prophet, you'll get threats, riots, it's ridiculous. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

    You know what I say? I say, fuck terrorists, fuck these radical fundamentalists(of any religion), especially the Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist church, fuck you if you believe what they say, and fuck anyone who supports terror. I don't care how I say it, if you disagree, fuck you too. Too many innocent people have died at the hands of these bastards.

    I don't give a shit what color your skin is, I don't care what religion you are, but if you preach hate, if you support terror
    you deserve to die.


    RIP All the soldiers and victims of this war on terror.
    Good post Mr. Anderson
    Rock on Mr. A!
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    Re: Liveleaks Drops "Anti-Islam" Film After Threats

    "davike" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
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    The reason is because in Islam, you are not allowed to depict anyone's likeness. For example, the Ottoman empire used no faces on their currency, the Hache. It's just a rule. Silly? Sure, but so are a lot of rules and dogmas in many different religions. Some people, who take texts literally, are more concerned about these things than others. Being a secularist myself, I find them all pretty ridiculous to get worked up about, especially when things turn violent.

    Anyways, the fact is that things like this film are just fodder for the uneducated, much like they are any place. People hear some pundit or zealot get riled up about something and get pissed off without even trying to figure out the issues for themselves, or completely ignoring anyone else's point of view.

    This world could use a whole lot more empathy and understanding on all sides.

    Edit: I was not referring to any of you as uneducated. I was talking about the Islamic literalists that are up in arms. I just realized that I didn't do a good job of indicating that.
    Tell me which sides needs understanding?

    /educated christian
    I'm pretty sure I said all of them. I could post pictures of all kinds of horrible pooh that Christians, Hindus, Jews and others say (or have said) and do (or have done), but I won't. Nor do I hardly need mention that the Holocaust or the Native American genocide, or the displacement of Palestinians, or the killing fields of the Khmer Rouge (just to name a few), were committed by people other than Muslims.

    All I'm trying to say is that showing respect for others is the only way to avoid constant conflict. The Muslims who are bent out of shape over something as dumb as this aren't showing any knowledge or consideration for Western culture, nor are the people who made this idiotic film showing any knowledge or consideration for Islam.

    It is an endless, vicious circle, and the whole thing is stupid.
    Very well put Dropper.
    I have been arguing the same thing in the other thread that was started on this film (which eventually got locked I believe).

    Taking the pictures of extremist Muslims and applying them to the entire Islam faith like that is exactly the same thing as posting pictures of Nazis and the KKK and likening them to all Christians.
    Nazis were certainly not Christians, I don't think they even claimed to be. They believed in many of Darwins teachings. Hence killing off the "infurior jews."

    And did KKK really claim Christianity? I don't think so, but I am not completely sure. I think they were Darwinians as well.
    Oh man, you need to do some research on Nazis and the KKK!

    Hitler championed the idea of Positive Christianity.
    Christianity was a very central part of movement, and often used in justification of the extermination of the Jews.
    And the race doctrines of Nazism were not Darwin based per sea, they were based on the idea of Eugenics, which was derived from Darwinistic ideas, but denounced by Darwin himself.
    The Nazis were very much a Christian group.
    They had political roots as well, in the ideals of the socialist party, but so do the majority of the Muslim extremists.

    As far as the KKK, their goal is to make a white, straight, Christian America.
    They are founded on fundamentalist Chirstian belief, and subscribe to Christian Reconstructionism.
    You seriously didn't know that they were a Christian based organization?
    Wow.

    Need any more examples of Christian terrorism?
    How about the Protestant-Roman Catholic in Ireland?
    The Aryan Nation?
    Want more historical references?
    How about the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition.
    Need something a little closer to home?
    How about Jesus Camp, the documentary of the kids in Devil's Lake, ND (it is a a pentecostal summer camp for children who spend their summers learning and practicing their "prophetic gifts" and being taught that they can "take back America for Christ.).

    Have the Islamic radicals caused more death and terror in recent history?
    Absolutely.
    Should we ignore them?
    Hell no - we should hunt them down wherever they are on this earth.
    Should we look at every Muslim, or their religion, and instantly equate it with terrorism like this film suggests.
    No.
    Absolutely not.
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    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: Liveleaks Drops "Anti-Islam" Film After Threats

    There are "self-proclaimed" Christian groups that advocate violent attacks against abortion clinics and staff members.
    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
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    "PacNWVike" wrote:
    There are "self-proclaimed" Christian groups that advocate violent attacks against abortion clinics and staff members.
    Yup.
    And let's not forget the piece of shit Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church members - the ones that protest at soldiers funerals saying that God is killing the soldiers because of homosexuality on America.
    Asshole.



    Does anybody out there ride?
    If so, make sure you check out the Patriot Guard Riders, a group devoted to honoring our nation's fallen, and stopping Phelps and his inbred church (yes it is inbred.
    The membership consists on only his extended family).
    Zeus wrote:
    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Re: Liveleaks Drops "Anti-Islam" Film After Threats

    I thought political discussions didn't belong on PPO? Interesting...
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