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    Who sais it weren't the portugeese fans that shouted GOAAAL


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    While I am not going to condone Ronaldo's antics, he is not the reason England were eliminated.

    1. Was he the guy who picked 4 strikers in the squad (All of whom had question marks against them)?

    2. Was he part of the "best" England team in decades who played garbage in practically every game?

    3.Was he the coach who looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights every time something didn't go according to plan?

    4. Was he the player who decided to use an opponents groin as a doormat?

    5. Did he miss a penalty for England? We are constantly reminded every time there is a PK shootout how it is a lottery, If it was how come certain teams always win (Germany) and others almost always lose (England).

    BTW Benet this is not a dig at you, it is more a reaction to the media's coverage to the aftermath of the game. If I was Sven I would be laughing at how he is able to slip away with all his millions, while everyone goes on a vendetta against Ronaldo.

    As I said at the start I am not sticking up for what Ronaldo did, but if you want to point the finger of blame there are a few candidates that should be ahead of him in the que.

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    Why would you put that up there? I mean seriously I hated that moment alot, I'm not gonna compare it with Minnesota Vikings moments, but still that like whoever put Anderson's kick on here. Just complete stupidity



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    I just think it's funny that most of England blames Ronaldo for cancer, world poverty, hunger and the fact that their coach and roster selection was absolutely horrible, and that the best player on their team was a 31 year old free kick specialist.

    I'm not really sure who you are Benet, but your propensity for profanity is charming.


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    "RandyMoss8404" wrote:
    I just think it's funny that most of England blames Ronaldo for cancer, world poverty, hunger and the fact that their coach and roster selection was absolutely horrible, and that the best player on their team was a 31 year old free kick specialist.

    I'm not really sure who you are Benet, but your propensity for profanity is charming.
    Ah, I see how it is.

    You start a thread to intentionally stir up old wounds, then when someone does respond you take the high road. Smooth. Okay, let me break this down for you.

    You live in Illinois, so how would you know what the English press is saying? Do you get copies of The Mirror, The Sun, The Independent, The Times, The Guardian, The Daily Mail, The Daily Express, The Daily Star or The Daily Sport delivered to your house every day? Do you check any and all these newspapers online to see how they report on the events that are deemed newsworthy to the British public? Do you even have any idea what the context for Cristiano Ronaldo's actions was?

    To say that we blame him for "cancer, world poverty, [and] hunger" is, frankly, ridiculous. Yes, he was scapegoated for a FOOTBALL MATCH, but you have to understand the English press. It's a VERY competitive marketplace, as I listed above, there's 9 national papers clamouring for the purchasing power of, theoretically, 50 million people. That's not very many considering the USA has how many national papers? One? Two? I can only remember USA Today, but I'm probably way off on that. I'm sure you can tell me the correct number. Anyway, the English press has to run away with these stories to catch readers, otherwise they're dead in the water. If they produce stories that do not capture the public interest, or discuss topics that are at the forefront of the public conciousness at that exact point in time, they'll lose readers. So yes; you will see a picture of Cristiano Ronaldo's face on a dartboard on the front page of The Sun, for example. Does that mean we're blaming him for cancer?

    If you truly believe that, then there's no hope for you.

    And to say we're blaming him for "world poverty, [and] hunger"? You're talking about the country that (because of an Irishman, admittedly) kick-started the Live8 concerts, hosted Live Aid, and I'm not even going to bother explaining how a country with 60 million people out-donated (per capita) a country with 250 million people in the aftermath of the Tsunami.

    Did you forget all that in your elegant, all-encompassing analysis of Britain, or were you simply trying to score some cool points on this board by taking it out on the Limeys and bump up your post count so you can hang with the big boys?

    If you ask 9 out of 10 Englishmen they'll tell you our squad underperformed, the tactics weren't to the teams' strengths, the squad was beset by injuries (Ledley King, Michael Owen, Scott Parker all would have gone had they been fit) or poor selection (Theo Walcott, before the tournament you could have convincingly argued that Shaun Wright-Phillips warranted inclusion over Aaron Lennon, Sol Campbell), and that Sven had already checked out before the tournament even started.

    The fact that you claim David Beckham was our best player in the tournament just shows how little you know, and belies that "holier than thou" demeanour you just tried to patronise me with. John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole and Jamie Carragher all had better tournaments than Beckham. How could you even think to put Beckham above those players when 4 of them were part of a defence that only conceded 2 goals in 5 games?!

    As much as I've defended Beckham over the past 5 or 6 years, I'll admit he has never been able to bring his best game to the World Cup. His tournaments have always been marred by controversy or underachieving performances. He'll play in the European Championship Qualifiers but his days are surely numbered now that England has both Shaun Wright-Phillips AND Aaron Lennon chomping at his heels for that right-wing role.

    I said it in the World Cup thread, and I'll say it again here; despite all the pretentions, all the hype, England are, and forever will be, a top 8 team. No more. No less. The fact that we have the second strongest domestic league in the World (nobody can convincingly argue that the Primera Liga is weaker than the Premiership after Primera Liga clubs beat Premiership clubs in BOTH European cup finals this season) means we are always going to expect the national team to perform on a level that we have come to expect from our club teams.

    The only reasonable example I can think of is expecting the USA Basketball team to go out and win every international basketball tournament and play like the Miami Heat or Phoenix Suns (yes I know Dallas made it to the Finals, but Phoenix played more attractive basketball) as they do it. It just can't be done, despite the delusions we force ourselves to believe.

    There, I can't be bothered to carry on, but my final word..

    At least I have the balls to use my real name on a messageboard so when I do make comments people can come straight back at me. You, on the other hand, RandyMoss8404, use a moniker that does not distinguish you from a million other Vikings messageboard users, so to say you don't really know who I am? Of course you don't. That point is redundant. But you know more about me than I do about you..

    Wait, scratch that. I know you're a pompous, pretentious, knave who tries to be all things to all people but ends up being nothing to nobody.

    And to finish this off, here's a quote, paraphrased slightly, that is appropriate considering how you tried to act dismissive to my first post:

    And I don't gotta make no God damn sense,
    I just did a whole post and I didn't say shit

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    Re: England Soccer Fans

    I hate Christiano, he's a dic.k.. He's way overhyped and i would like somday to play against, to just injure his ankles!!

    Nice work by him given the finger to the Benfica fans after their CL defeat..


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    "Benet" wrote:
    "RandyMoss8404" wrote:
    I just think it's funny that most of England blames Ronaldo for cancer, world poverty, hunger and the fact that their coach and roster selection was absolutely horrible, and that the best player on their team was a 31 year old free kick specialist.

    I'm not really sure who you are Benet, but your propensity for profanity is charming.
    Ah, I see how it is.

    You start a thread to intentionally stir up old wounds, then when someone does respond you take the high road. Smooth. Okay, let me break this down for you.

    You live in Illinois, so how would you know what the English press is saying? Do you get copies of The Mirror, The Sun, The Independent, The Times, The Guardian, The Daily Mail, The Daily Express, The Daily Star or The Daily Sport delivered to your house every day? Do you check any and all these newspapers online to see how they report on the events that are deemed newsworthy to the British public? Do you even have any idea what the context for Cristiano Ronaldo's actions was?

    To say that we blame him for "cancer, world poverty, [and] hunger" is, frankly, ridiculous. Yes, he was scapegoated for a FOOTBALL MATCH, but you have to understand the English press. It's a VERY competitive marketplace, as I listed above, there's 9 national papers clamouring for the purchasing power of, theoretically, 50 million people. That's not very many considering the USA has how many national papers? One? Two? I can only remember USA Today, but I'm probably way off on that. I'm sure you can tell me the correct number. Anyway, the English press has to run away with these stories to catch readers, otherwise they're dead in the water. If they produce stories that do not capture the public interest, or discuss topics that are at the forefront of the public conciousness at that exact point in time, they'll lose readers. So yes; you will see a picture of Cristiano Ronaldo's face on a dartboard on the front page of The Sun, for example. Does that mean we're blaming him for cancer?

    If you truly believe that, then there's no hope for you.

    And to say we're blaming him for "world poverty, [and] hunger"? You're talking about the country that (because of an Irishman, admittedly) kick-started the Live8 concerts, hosted Live Aid, and I'm not even going to bother explaining how a country with 60 million people out-donated (per capita) a country with 250 million people in the aftermath of the Tsunami.

    Did you forget all that in your elegant, all-encompassing analysis of Britain, or were you simply trying to score some cool points on this board by taking it out on the Limeys and bump up your post count so you can hang with the big boys?

    If you ask 9 out of 10 Englishmen they'll tell you our squad underperformed, the tactics weren't to the teams' strengths, the squad was beset by injuries (Ledley King, Michael Owen, Scott Parker all would have gone had they been fit) or poor selection (Theo Walcott, before the tournament you could have convincingly argued that Shaun Wright-Phillips warranted inclusion over Aaron Lennon, Sol Campbell), and that Sven had already checked out before the tournament even started.

    The fact that you claim David Beckham was our best player in the tournament just shows how little you know, and belies that "holier than thou" demeanour you just tried to patronise me with. John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole and Jamie Carragher all had better tournaments than Beckham. How could you even think to put Beckham above those players when 4 of them were part of a defence that only conceded 2 goals in 5 games?!

    As much as I've defended Beckham over the past 5 or 6 years, I'll admit he has never been able to bring his best game to the World Cup. His tournaments have always been marred by controversy or underachieving performances. He'll play in the European Championship Qualifiers but his days are surely numbered now that England has both Shaun Wright-Phillips AND Aaron Lennon chomping at his heels for that right-wing role.

    I said it in the World Cup thread, and I'll say it again here; despite all the pretentions, all the hype, England are, and forever will be, a top 8 team. No more. No less. The fact that we have the second strongest domestic league in the World (nobody can convincingly argue that the Primera Liga is weaker than the Premiership after Primera Liga clubs beat Premiership clubs in BOTH European cup finals this season) means we are always going to expect the national team to perform on a level that we have come to expect from our club teams.

    The only reasonable example I can think of is expecting the USA Basketball team to go out and win every international basketball tournament and play like the Miami Heat or Phoenix Suns (yes I know Dallas made it to the Finals, but Phoenix played more attractive basketball) as they do it. It just can't be done, despite the delusions we force ourselves to believe.

    There, I can't be bothered to carry on, but my final word..

    At least I have the balls to use my real name on a messageboard so when I do make comments people can come straight back at me. You, on the other hand, RandyMoss8404, use a moniker that does not distinguish you from a million other Vikings messageboard users, so to say you don't really know who I am? Of course you don't. That point is redundant. But you know more about me than I do about you..

    Wait, scratch that. I know you're a pompous, pretentious, knave who tries to be all things to all people but ends up being nothing to nobody.

    And to finish this off, here's a quote, paraphrased slightly, that is appropriate considering how you tried to act dismissive to my first post:

    And I don't gotta make no God damn sense,
    I just did a whole post and I didn't say shit
    Very cute. You've shown enough intelligence to merit a reply, but have unfortunately been vitriolic enough to force me to reply with less mercy than I otherwise would. Let's begin. I'll follow your outline.

    I live in Illinois. However, I am a World Cup fanatic. So from June 9th through July 12th or so, I actually do read the majority of those papers once or twice a week online, because the English media entertains me. They are unjustifiably caustic, pithy with their insults, and most of all, misplace blame. Perhaps 'God Save the Queen' should be 'God Save the Press,' because it certainly needs saving.

    My statement that you blamed Mr. Christian Ronaldo for cancer, world poverty and hunger, was, to those with a level of intelligence higher than that expected of a single celled organism, hyperbole. My point was that you blamed him for a pathetic roster selection, awful coaching, and lackluster frontline play. Wayne Rooney stomped on a man's testicles. He deserved not only to be ejected with a red card, but brutally beaten with a very large stick after the match. But Ronaldo deserves blame for that ejection, right? After all he ran....how did your media put it....some ridiculous length of the pitch to protest? It was a foul, I'd have protested to. In fact, I might have pulled a Zidane and headbutted Rooney in the chest for being less than a man. You should probably want to headbutt him too, for whiffing on a surefire goal in that match, and underperforming for the entire tournament.

    Moving on, let us continue on with our discourse on the lacklustre. I contended that David Beckham was your best player - you contended that this displayed a dearth of knowledge on my part. I'm mystified by your clairvoyance on my soccer knowledge, considering you do not know who I am, either in life or on the internet. This makes your assertion regarding my knowledge stupid at best, and downright foolish at worse. I'll lean toward the 'worse' portion of the spectrum for now. Here's the bottom line: when the English needed a play, it was David Beckham who made it. It's that simple. Ecuador was going to win that football game, and David Beckham changed it with a kick. Let's not forget his assist as well. He made up for a stagnant, pathetic offensive showing almost singlehandedly. Had he remained on the pitch vs. Portugal, you might have stood a chance...though David Beckham has missed a vital penalty kick, from time to time. The only argument you could make here is for Ashley Cole, who marked forwards like white on rice. John Terry and the rest played well as a system, but individually? Not so much.

    What do we have next? Ah, your assertion that my use of an internet moniker is a reflection of cowardice. I'm not really sure who you're insulting more here...but considering the childish nature of the statement, I'm going to have to go with yourself. That I don't use my real name - which is Christian, by the way, or Cristiano in Spanish or Portugese, so perhaps you'll see me eliminating your team from the World Cup in the near future - is no reflection of anything, merely that this is a VIKING FAN site, and many show their enthusiasm for the Vikings by adopting a pro-team moniker. In my case, my sobriquet is the name of my favorite Vikings player, with his number, and the last two digits of the year I joined. I'll change it to 'CristianoOwnsEngland1706' if you'd like, the numbers would correspond.

    Finally:

    Wait, scratch that. I know you're a pompous, pretentious, knave who tries to be all things to all people but ends up being nothing to nobody.
    If you're going to insult me, please use proper English spelling and punctuation. You are, after all, from the country that invented the language. And be careful who you call a knave - you might get embarassed. Or, considering it IS the Internet, just eviscerated.

    Have a wonderful day.



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    "Benet" wrote:
    "RandyMoss8404" wrote:
    I just think it's funny that most of England blames Ronaldo for cancer, world poverty, hunger and the fact that their coach and roster selection was absolutely horrible, and that the best player on their team was a 31 year old free kick specialist.

    I'm not really sure who you are Benet, but your propensity for profanity is charming.
    Ah, I see how it is.

    You start a thread to intentionally stir up old wounds, then when someone does respond you take the high road. Smooth. Okay, let me break this down for you.

    You live in Illinois, so how would you know what the English press is saying? Do you get copies of The Mirror, The Sun, The Independent, The Times, The Guardian, The Daily Mail, The Daily Express, The Daily Star or The Daily Sport delivered to your house every day? Do you check any and all these newspapers online to see how they report on the events that are deemed newsworthy to the British public? Do you even have any idea what the context for Cristiano Ronaldo's actions was?

    To say that we blame him for "cancer, world poverty, [and] hunger" is, frankly, ridiculous. Yes, he was scapegoated for a FOOTBALL MATCH, but you have to understand the English press. It's a VERY competitive marketplace, as I listed above, there's 9 national papers clamouring for the purchasing power of, theoretically, 50 million people. That's not very many considering the USA has how many national papers? One? Two? I can only remember USA Today, but I'm probably way off on that. I'm sure you can tell me the correct number. Anyway, the English press has to run away with these stories to catch readers, otherwise they're dead in the water. If they produce stories that do not capture the public interest, or discuss topics that are at the forefront of the public conciousness at that exact point in time, they'll lose readers. So yes; you will see a picture of Cristiano Ronaldo's face on a dartboard on the front page of The Sun, for example. Does that mean we're blaming him for cancer?

    If you truly believe that, then there's no hope for you.

    And to say we're blaming him for "world poverty, [and] hunger"? You're talking about the country that (because of an Irishman, admittedly) kick-started the Live8 concerts, hosted Live Aid, and I'm not even going to bother explaining how a country with 60 million people out-donated (per capita) a country with 250 million people in the aftermath of the Tsunami.

    Did you forget all that in your elegant, all-encompassing analysis of Britain, or were you simply trying to score some cool points on this board by taking it out on the Limeys and bump up your post count so you can hang with the big boys?

    If you ask 9 out of 10 Englishmen they'll tell you our squad underperformed, the tactics weren't to the teams' strengths, the squad was beset by injuries (Ledley King, Michael Owen, Scott Parker all would have gone had they been fit) or poor selection (Theo Walcott, before the tournament you could have convincingly argued that Shaun Wright-Phillips warranted inclusion over Aaron Lennon, Sol Campbell), and that Sven had already checked out before the tournament even started.

    The fact that you claim David Beckham was our best player in the tournament just shows how little you know, and belies that "holier than thou" demeanour you just tried to patronise me with. John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Rio Ferdinand, Ashley Cole and Jamie Carragher all had better tournaments than Beckham. How could you even think to put Beckham above those players when 4 of them were part of a defence that only conceded 2 goals in 5 games?!

    As much as I've defended Beckham over the past 5 or 6 years, I'll admit he has never been able to bring his best game to the World Cup. His tournaments have always been marred by controversy or underachieving performances. He'll play in the European Championship Qualifiers but his days are surely numbered now that England has both Shaun Wright-Phillips AND Aaron Lennon chomping at his heels for that right-wing role.

    I said it in the World Cup thread, and I'll say it again here; despite all the pretentions, all the hype, England are, and forever will be, a top 8 team. No more. No less. The fact that we have the second strongest domestic league in the World (nobody can convincingly argue that the Primera Liga is weaker than the Premiership after Primera Liga clubs beat Premiership clubs in BOTH European cup finals this season) means we are always going to expect the national team to perform on a level that we have come to expect from our club teams.

    The only reasonable example I can think of is expecting the USA Basketball team to go out and win every international basketball tournament and play like the Miami Heat or Phoenix Suns (yes I know Dallas made it to the Finals, but Phoenix played more attractive basketball) as they do it. It just can't be done, despite the delusions we force ourselves to believe.

    There, I can't be bothered to carry on, but my final word..

    At least I have the balls to use my real name on a messageboard so when I do make comments people can come straight back at me. You, on the other hand, RandyMoss8404, use a moniker that does not distinguish you from a million other Vikings messageboard users, so to say you don't really know who I am? Of course you don't. That point is redundant. But you know more about me than I do about you..

    Wait, scratch that. I know you're a pompous, pretentious, knave who tries to be all things to all people but ends up being nothing to nobody.

    And to finish this off, here's a quote, paraphrased slightly, that is appropriate considering how you tried to act dismissive to my first post:

    And I don't gotta make no God damn sense,
    I just did a whole post and I didn't say shit
    Just end it Randy,

    I like soccer,but you can't talk English soccer when you don't live in England.

    Just end it



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    "RandyMoss8404" wrote:
    [quote]"Benet" wrote:
    Wait, scratch that. I know you're a pompous, pretentious, knave who tries to be all things to all people but ends up being nothing to nobody.
    If you're going to insult me, please use proper English spelling and punctuation. You are, after all, from the country that invented the language. And be careful who you call a knave - you might get embarassed. Or, considering it IS the Internet, just eviscerated.

    Have a wonderful day.
    What, praytell, is the error you perceive in Benet's spelling or punctuation in the above quoted bit?

    I don't see it.

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    "AWZeus" wrote:
    [quote]"RandyMoss8404" wrote:
    "Benet" wrote:
    Wait, scratch that. I know you're a pompous, pretentious, knave who tries to be all things to all people but ends up being nothing to nobody.
    If you're going to insult me, please use proper English spelling and punctuation. You are, after all, from the country that invented the language. And be careful who you call a knave - you might get embarassed. Or, considering it IS the Internet, just eviscerated.

    Have a wonderful day.
    What, praytell, is the error you perceive in Benet's spelling or punctuation in the above quoted bit?

    I don't see it.

    =Z=
    Remove the comma after pretentious. And note the double negative at the end of the sentence - nothing to nobody? Nothing to anybody is the correct form. I only called him on it because he used the word pretentious.

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    As for the person saying 'I can't talk about English soccer because I don't live in England,' that's like saying we can't discuss the Packers because we have too many brain cells. Try again.


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