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    Re: Computer support techs or network administrators

    Want to write your own ticket....Database Administration

    That is where it is at

    Combine that with the ability to design web applications......WOW

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    Re: Computer support techs or network administrators

    "Webby" wrote:
    "vikingTurf" wrote:
    "happy" wrote:
    I'm looking into starting a new major in computer support tech or network systems admin this Jan and need to know more about it from someone who does it.

    Were you very tech savvy before you took the classes?

    Was it hard to find a job after you got the degree?

    Whats a normal day like?

    Did you have to find a job in the cities (minneapolis/st paul if you live in MN)?

    Do you overall enjoy it?

    Thanks.
    I am neither, I am programmer, but if I had to choose between the two I would go for network admin, it's more fun and challenging I think.
    grass is greener, Turf, grass is always greener on the other side.

    The most boring things I did were in netadmin, resetting passwords and dicking with boring stuff.
    Development is a challenge creating something from nothing.

    I do long for the net admin days....only when I need a break from the mind-bending work of infrastructure programming.

    BUT AGAIN, it is personality type.
    You have to find your niche.....and it could be in Net Admin....a great job, but just please be awesome at it!!!


    Ask Marrdro about crappy net admins!!!
    LMAO
    Right now the market is getting away from having a guy/gal running around helping with mundane types of things (mapping printers, drives, setting favorites, desktop look and feel etc) and more towards software that helps a guy/gal maintain his/her system.

    Smart people that can not only engineer a network and keep it running are the ones that are in high demand.
    Then throw in the move toward "Always on, Always available" type solutions were networks are tied together via the RF (Wireless spectrum) and you will have a winning combination.

    I would seriously make sure you take a track of courses that bring you down one of two paths....

    CCNA/CCNP (Large demand right now).
    MCSE/MCSA (Still a big need).
    Anything that is in the Information Assurance/Personnel Info Security/Industry-Corporate Security world. (Huge Demand right now)

    Something else to consider as you look into going down the IT path of choice for a career. It used to be that IT experts were hard to find, now all I have to do is send a quite email to our HR department and I have over 100 resume's to skim through.

    In most cases I can hire a guy with a MCSE to do Sysadmin Level I work cause the demand is slowly declining as technology makes systems almost plug and play.

    Long story short, I used to have anywere from 10-15 people maintaining a 400 workstation network.
    Now I do it with about 5 and will add a temp if the workload gets to big during peak usage time windows.

    Hope that all made sense as I type it pretty fast.
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    Re: Computer support techs or network administrators

    "NDVikingFan66" wrote:
    Want to write your own ticket....Database Administration

    That is where it is at

    Combine that with the ability to design web applications......WOW
    I agree, Data Warehousing/Data Minning are all the rage. Especially if you can not only protect your companies data but have the ability to exploit (with in legal limits of course) other companies data.
    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

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    Re: Computer support techs or network administrators

    How does this program look?

    http://ridgewater.edu/Credentials/index.cfm?Credential_ID=903
    "There is good and there is evil. And evil must be punished. Even in the face of Armageddon I will not compromise."

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    Re: Computer support techs or network administrators

    "happy" wrote:
    How does this program look?

    http://ridgewater.edu/Credentials/index.cfm?Credential_ID=903
    If I was gonna hire a programmer I would like this background.
    The next thing I would look at is your experience level and does your cert support the types of programming (building/developing commercial software or custom applications, web development, database development etc) to be done.

    Depending on the position (entry level/advanced position) experience, as with all jobs, can make a difference.
    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

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    Re: Computer support techs or network administrators

    Right now, I am going for the Netwrork Administration program. But the Programming program and Networking program have some of the same classes, so I could easily switch over next semester if I wanted to.
    "There is good and there is evil. And evil must be punished. Even in the face of Armageddon I will not compromise."

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    Re: Computer support techs or network administrators

    I signed up for an into to programming class. All the classes I am taking this semester are required for
    both the networking and programming degrees, so I can chose which I like best after this semester.

    http://www.geekvids.net/view/12/nick-burns-server-upgrade/
    "There is good and there is evil. And evil must be punished. Even in the face of Armageddon I will not compromise."

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    Re: Computer support techs or network administrators

    I want to thank everyone who told me to keep my mind open to Programming. As it turns out, I think I hate networking but love programming.

    Last week was my spring break and I voluntarily did programming stuff. It was even assigned or anything, I just found some books and online tutorials to keep me busy.
    "There is good and there is evil. And evil must be punished. Even in the face of Armageddon I will not compromise."

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    Re: Computer support techs or network administrators

    Lot of good advice in this thread.

    when i got started back in the old days of my youth.. i started on the neteworking side and took some Novel courses in HS. that led to some nice paydays for an 18 year old, as well as easy track from the comp sci at Drake uni.

    after 93/94 i got into web development, html, cgi, perl. and really helped me learn unix. That was the next push for web admin, and html development. when the market started becoming over saturated with html developers some friends said to move into pure development. so java became my focus. early MVC platform development for web applications is what saved my bacon i think.

    now. i'm titled here at the company with Applications Specialist: and my duties include.

    1. Monitor / update oracle app servers
    2. develop front face templates for web applications (ADF, JFACES)
    3. Maintain and monitor cross network applications, such as pvcs, and subversion systems and other networking joys.
    4. updating and controling 6 blade's on a single rack that run multi app servers, content servers + documentium systems.

    to be honest. i really think that my background has helped, like webby i've been through the chains of Admin, Sys admin, developer, techie, and even the Proj lead of a few places. now though. the IT field is sooooo specialized that it's almost not worth learning things all over the place past having an understanding knowledge of them.


    Marr,
    also said it well.. CCNA's esp here in europe are big. DBA's esp Oracle are getting bigger contracts, and citrix certi's are really pushing.
    I just finished my LPC2 testing [PASSED!!!] and should have my Oracle IAS Admin 2 by mid april. as far as it goes here. these have really made me in the top tier of the IT hiring world. not sure how they would do back home, as it's been 10 years since i even looked at the market back there.

    anyways. the best answer is this.
    find a niche and really focus on it. for the rest. learn it to a point that you understand it, and how it interacts with the rest of it. and enjoy what u do..

    DiGiTaL

    "We tried to stick with it, but there was a point where we were beating our head against a wall," Seattle Coach Mora talking about running at the Williams Wall

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    Re: Computer support techs or network administrators

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "happy" wrote:
    How does this program look?

    http://ridgewater.edu/Credentials/index.cfm?Credential_ID=903
    If I was gonna hire a programmer I would like this background.
    The next thing I would look at is your experience level and does your cert support the types of programming (building/developing commercial software or custom applications, web development, database development etc) to be done
    .

    Depending on the position (entry level/advanced position) experience, as with all jobs, can make a difference.
    Or they could just show up with a case of "the beast"

    "If at first you don't succeed, parachuting is not for you"

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