Thread: Blue Devil vs Heels

"ltrey33" wrote:

"MensaTice" wrote:

This is choosing between the evil of two lessers. Roi vs. Rat Face. Can you put less integrity in one arena? Probably not. Anywho, from someone who wishes they could both lose, I'm going with dook tonight. This is assuming that that scrub Paulus can actually handle the ball. McRoberts and and the missing link S. Williams should be too much for Hansborough inside. Tyler is a stud but McRoberts is actually a little better despite being held back by Rat Face in favor of Williams. Reddick will prbably be the difference maker tonight because Roi's teams never play perimeter defense. With the edge inside going to dook and no perimter d from UNC, dook should walk away with a 10-15 pt victory. Now that I've said that, UNC will probably ride an adreneline rush to an easy victory. Next year, UNC OWNS dook. Tonight is all dook.

Less integrity?! How can you say either of those guys have no integrity? Both have won National Championships, both have built great teams out of basically nothing and both are stand up guys. I don't understand that comment AT ALL.

Yeah, yeah. They are both great coaches but only Kerzyzewski has built a program out of nothing. UNC had already won multiple national championships with Dean Smith before Roy came.

"MensaTice" wrote:

You make a compelling argument K-Rob. I've never looked at that way. Are you one of the dorks that goes to cameron indoor and reads off a cheer sheet or do you like dook because ESPN and duke vitale tell you to?

Undoubtedly. "Pay Your Rent!" "Let's go duke" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

"ltrey33" wrote:

Less integrity?! How can you say either of those guys have no integrity? Both have won National Championships, both have built great teams out of basically nothing and both are stand up guys. I don't understand that comment AT ALL.

National Championships do not= integrity. Roi is the poster boy for someone who lacks integrity. Holds a press conference after he turned down UNC the first time to say he's going to retire or die at Kansas. Then after he chokes away the national title game in '03 jumps ship in the middle of the night because that puke Dean Smith (memeber of KU's '52 national championship team) told him they need him at UNC. Holding that press conference and saying something that helps recruiting and then a couple of years later doing the exact oposite of what you said is a complete defiance of the definition of the word integrity. As for kryzysysuskshsdkyi, running credit card commercials starring him and duke basketball during every commercial break of March Madness is fine by me, but for him to act insulted when others called them out for those ads saying it gave dook a recruiting adavantage is insulting to anyone listeneing. How dumb does he think we are? Also, isn't K the poster boy for graduating players but as soon as the first one jumped ship, he completely through him under the bus (Maggette, Brand Avery). Although Shav Randolph is not exactly MJ, K ran him out of there so fast and did his best to ruin his career while in Durham. Dooks $60 million deal with espn doesn't exactly scream integrity to me. Having the audacity to complain about the officials after they got beat by UCONN in the final four two years ago was a slap in the face to anyone who has polayed dook and experienced the advantage they get every time they take the court. NOBODY gets mor calls than K and then he complains about the refs at the FInal Four. Give me a F*cking break.

Which one built a team out of nothing? ROi took over a Kansas team right after they one the National Championship and then took over a UNC team with three lottery picks already on the roster and then brought in a fourth. Three lottery picks on a team you move to is not nothing. K did build that team from nearly nothing over 20 years ago. The last fiufteen years, two of which he missed the NCAA tourny (pathetic) and the years he won his three championships, nobody can ever claim the cupboard was bare.

I hope this answered you question

"PurplePeopleEaters" wrote:

Yeah, yeah. They are both great coaches but only Kerzyzewski has built a program out of nothing. UNC had already won multiple national championships with Dean Smith before Roy came.

That may be true, but he is taking an incredibly young (yes, talented) North Carolina team to near the top of the ACC and into the top 25 after everyone said they were going to be terrible. He deserves a look as coach of the year.

"MensaTice" wrote:

"ltrey33" wrote:

Less integrity?! How can you say either of those guys have no integrity? Both have won National Championships, both have built great teams out of basically nothing and both are stand up guys. I don't understand that comment AT ALL.

National Championships do not= integrity. Roi is the poster boy for someone who lacks integrity. Holds a press conference after he turned down UNC the first time to say he's going to retire or die at Kansas. Then after he chokes away the national title game in '03 jumps ship in the middle of the night because that puke Dean Smith (memeber of KU's '52 national championship team) told him they need him at UNC. Holding that press conference and saying something that helps recruiting and then a couple of years later doing the exact oposite of what you said is a complete defiance of the definition of the word integrity. As for kryzysysuskshsdkyi, running credit card commercials starring him and duke basketball during every commercial break of March Madness is fine by me, but for him to act insulted when others called them out for those ads saying it gave dook a recruiting adavantage is insulting to anyone listeneing. How dumb does he think we are? Also, isn't K the poster boy for graduating players but as soon as the first one jumped ship, he completely through him under the bus (Maggette, Brand Avery). Although Shav Randolph is not exactly MJ, K ran him out of there so fast and did his best to ruin his career while in Durham. Dooks $60 million deal with espn doesn't exactly scream integrity to me. Having the audacity to complain about the officials after they got beat by UCONN in the final four two years ago was a slap in the face to anyone who has polayed dook and experienced the advantage they get every time they take the court. NOBODY gets mor calls than K and then he complains about the refs at the FInal Four. Give me a F*cking break.

Which one built a team out of nothing? ROi took over a Kansas team right after they one the National Championship and then took over a UNC team with three lottery picks already on the roster and then brought in a fourth. Three lottery picks on a team you move to is not nothing. K did build that team from nearly nothing over 20 years ago. The last fiufteen years, two of which he missed the NCAA tourny (pathetic) and the years he won his three championships, nobody can ever claim the cupboard was bare.

I hope this answered you question

First of all, K had NOTHING to do with Shav leaving. Shav was frustrated, injury prone and misguided. The guy missed games every year of his Duke career, a significant amount of games too, because of injuries and illness. He wasn't reliable, and with Melchionni coming around as a reserve and McRoberts coming in as a freshman, Shav's role as a senior would have been non-existant, he merely isn't as talented as those two guys. Not to mention the fact that a lot of people told Shav that he would be drafted somewhere in the second round, which he wasn't.

Also, K didn't throw those guys under the bus. He merely stated that it would have been in their better interest to stay in school, which I agree with him. As a whole, as of 2004 Duke had a 92 PERCENT graduation rate during Krzyzewski's time as coach!!!! Yeah....not the poster boy my ass. What do you call guys like Hill, Laettner, Ewing, Battier, Redick, Shelden Williams, Dockery and Wojciechowski all passing up possible NBA careers to go back to Duke for one more year? And those are just the guys I can name off the top of my head! I think if every college basketball program in the country had a 92% graduation rate people would be pretty happy.

Anyway, what's wrong with a 60 million dollar TV contract? Do you expect a private institution not to make money? This is a capitalistic society, and someone has to go on TV so why not get your school and your basketball program exposure while making money at the same time? Do you expect them to say "No, no, that's ok. We don't want your 60 million dollars ESPN. It wouldn't be right as a private institution that gets no state money and has an enrollment of just under 5,000 kids. We don't want exposure, or money or the best basketball program in the nation to be on TV." :roll:

Also, what's wrong with complaining about the refs if you're slighted? Holmgren was right with what he said this week and so was Coach K then. I'm not going to deny that Duke gets calls, but any superstar in college basketball does. You don't see Greg Paulus getting calls, no it's usually Redick or Williams, which happens everywhere in college basketball. Ever see Michael Jordan get a call? YUP! Larry Bird and Magic both got calls when they were in college, as did guys like Tim Duncan and Antawn Jamison, etc. etc. It's the way it goes, don't hate the player, hate the game.

As for not being able to claim the "cupboard was bare" for Coach K, not shi!t Sherlock! Are you gonna blame the guy for recruiting now and getting good talent? "No, I'll pass on Shelden Williams and JJ Redick. I'll take the best guys you can get from Single A ball in North Dakota." Give me a God damned break! You're just trying to justify your jealousy.

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BOO CAJUN!

"ltrey33" wrote:

As for not being able to claim the "cupboard was bare" for Coach K, not shi!t Sherlock! Are you gonna blame the guy for recruiting now and getting good talent? "No, I'll pass on Shelden Williams and JJ Redick. I'll take the best guys you can get from Single A ball in North Dakota." Give me a God damned break! You're just trying to justify your jealousy.

The cupboard being bare comment was a reaction to you comment that both Williams and K built teams from nothing. That is wrong and I was pointing it out. moreso with K but still not from nothing.

I have no problem actually with the contract with espn. My point in bringing that up is that K preaches about a level playing field when there clearly isn't one. This was to support my integrity statement that you questioned. I commend them for that contract but don't go on to preach about a level playing field. Shows a lack of integrity.

Shav is a piece of garbage and I am in no way taking up for him. K prides himself on graduation rate, but ran the kid off the team. That is what happened. Read up on it if you'd like.

My Jealousy? No sir. No jealousy toward dook. If you want to compare the history of my alma mater's basketball program to dook, I will take you to school any day of the week. Don't play that everyone hates dook because they're jealous card. It ain't gonna fly with me. Historically we are better and if I remember correctly, which I think I do since I was at the game, KU kicked the $hit out of dook the last time we played.

And since you brought up recruiting. KU and UNC have been destroying dook in recruiting last year and for next years classes. Thats why I said in another thread, dook better cash in a championship with this team because they'll be looking up for years to come.

"ltrey33" wrote:

BOO CAJUN!

Oh yeah...well

[size=24px]BOO LTREY!!![/size]

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Good game overall. It doesn't really matter to me but UNC played a really tough game down the stretch. I'll give them props for that.

Well... I don't care because either way I get to make fun of someone. :lol:

Well...the DOOKIES squeaked by with a 4 point win...not too mighty considering they have the more experienced squad...BUT they did win, so UNC will have to go back to the drawing board.

The main difference was the threes by "The Masturbator"...coupled with the piss poor shooting by UNC...they will have to shoot much better than they did to win games!

All in all, UNC played valiantly...and they will be MUCH better come March Madness time...DOOK, on the other hand, really can't get much better...they shot well and still almost lost...and God forbid if "The Masturbator" has an off night...they will be screwed!!! :evil4: