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    Re: LSU Still 1 - Kansas 2 in BCS

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    Kansas deserves #2. They are an undefeated team in a marquee conference. Enough said.
    They have not even played Texas or Oklahoma!

    Marquee Conference?

    So your telling me Baylor, Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State are marquee teams? PLEASE!!!!!!
    :

    Enough said.

    The Big 12 is a marquee conference. If not, then what is?

    Are Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, and Minnesota marquee teams?
    You could make a better argument for Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Missippi State, and Arkansas, but all of those teams have at least 4 losses.

    You, like most college football fans out there, are basing this all on what has happened over the past years. Fact is, THIS YEAR, Kansas is better than Ohio State, USC, Florida, Oklahoma etc... they fully deserve the ranking they have.

    Sure, they might lose to Missouri, but the fact you are using Missouri as a measuring stick is ridiculous by itself.
    SEC: 5 ranked teams. Need I say more.

    Don't get me wrong the Big 12 is a good conference but not much better than the Big 10. They have five teams at 8-4 or better and so does the Big 10. The whole Big 10 is at .500 or above except Minnesota. The Big 12 only has 7 out of 12. They have four ranked teams and the Big 10 has 3. Not really seeing your point of view but that is ok. It is your opinion.


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    Re: LSU Still 1 - Kansas 2 in BCS

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    Kansas deserves #2. They are an undefeated team in a marquee conference. Enough said.
    They have not even played Texas or Oklahoma!

    Marquee Conference?

    So your telling me Baylor, Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State are marquee teams? PLEASE!!!!!!
    :

    Enough said.

    The Big 12 is a marquee conference. If not, then what is?

    Are Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, and Minnesota marquee teams?
    You could make a better argument for Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Missippi State, and Arkansas, but all of those teams have at least 4 losses.

    You, like most college football fans out there, are basing this all on what has happened over the past years. Fact is, THIS YEAR, Kansas is better than Ohio State, USC, Florida, Oklahoma etc... they fully deserve the ranking they have.

    Sure, they might lose to Missouri, but the fact you are using Missouri as a measuring stick is ridiculous by itself.
    SEC: 5 ranked teams. Need I say more.

    Don't get me wrong the Big 12 is a good conference but not much better than the Big 10. They have five teams at 8-4 or better and so does the Big 10. The whole Big 10 is at .500 or above except Minnesota. The Big 12 only has 7 out of 12. They have four ranked teams and the Big 10 has 3. Not really seeing your point of view but that is ok. It is your opinion.

    My point of view is simple. If an undefeated Ohio State was ranked #1, then an undefeated Kansas should be ranked #2. That simple. How you don't agree with that puzzles me.
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    Re: LSU Still 1 - Kansas 2 in BCS

    "V" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    Kansas deserves #2. They are an undefeated team in a marquee conference. Enough said.
    They have not even played Texas or Oklahoma!

    Marquee Conference?

    So your telling me Baylor, Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State are marquee teams? PLEASE!!!!!!
    :

    Enough said.

    The Big 12 is a marquee conference. If not, then what is?

    Are Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, and Minnesota marquee teams?
    You could make a better argument for Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Missippi State, and Arkansas, but all of those teams have at least 4 losses.

    You, like most college football fans out there, are basing this all on what has happened over the past years. Fact is, THIS YEAR, Kansas is better than Ohio State, USC, Florida, Oklahoma etc... they fully deserve the ranking they have.

    Sure, they might lose to Missouri, but the fact you are using Missouri as a measuring stick is ridiculous by itself.
    SEC: 5 ranked teams. Need I say more.

    Don't get me wrong the Big 12 is a good conference but not much better than the Big 10. They have five teams at 8-4 or better and so does the Big 10. The whole Big 10 is at .500 or above except Minnesota. The Big 12 only has 7 out of 12. They have four ranked teams and the Big 10 has 3. Not really seeing your point of view but that is ok. It is your opinion.

    My point of view is simple. If an undefeated Ohio State was ranked #1, then an undefeated Kansas should be ranked #2. That simple. How you don't agree with that puzzles me.
    The BCS rankings have a lot more involve than just wins and losses!
    : Why is Hawaii not in the top 5?
    : Your point of view makes no sense and IMO is wrong.

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    Re: LSU Still 1 - Kansas 2 in BCS

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    [quote author=V link=topic=39825.msg677158#msg677158 date=1195605674]
    Kansas deserves #2. They are an undefeated team in a marquee conference. Enough said.
    They have not even played Texas or Oklahoma!

    Marquee Conference?

    So your telling me Baylor, Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State are marquee teams? PLEASE!!!!!!
    :

    Enough said.

    The Big 12 is a marquee conference. If not, then what is?

    Are Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, and Minnesota marquee teams?
    You could make a better argument for Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Missippi State, and Arkansas, but all of those teams have at least 4 losses.

    You, like most college football fans out there, are basing this all on what has happened over the past years. Fact is, THIS YEAR, Kansas is better than Ohio State, USC, Florida, Oklahoma etc... they fully deserve the ranking they have.

    Sure, they might lose to Missouri, but the fact you are using Missouri as a measuring stick is ridiculous by itself.
    SEC: 5 ranked teams. Need I say more.

    Don't get me wrong the Big 12 is a good conference but not much better than the Big 10. They have five teams at 8-4 or better and so does the Big 10. The whole Big 10 is at .500 or above except Minnesota. The Big 12 only has 7 out of 12. They have four ranked teams and the Big 10 has 3. Not really seeing your point of view but that is ok. It is your opinion.

    My point of view is simple. If an undefeated Ohio State was ranked #1, then an undefeated Kansas should be ranked #2. That simple. How you don't agree with that puzzles me.
    The BCS rankings have a lot more involve than just wins and losses!
    : Why is Hawaii not in the top 5?
    : Your point of view makes no sense and IMO is wrong.
    [/quote]

    The BCS rankings involve more than wins and losses, like the fact the Kansas has crushed almost every team they've played. We're talking complete blowouts, and total domination.

    Hawaii does not play in a major conference, which has been my whole point all along.

    An undefeated team in a major conference, no matter which team it is, is always going to be ranked high. You honestly don't agree with that? I'll aceept that I'm wrong if you can name an 11-0 team from the Big 12, SEC, Big Ten, or PaC-10, that wasn't in the top 5, going back to the inception of the BCS of
    course.

    On October 20th, Ohio State was 8-0. Their only win against a ranked opponent was Purdue. What were they ranked? #1!
    How is Kansas any different?
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    Re: LSU Still 1 - Kansas 2 in BCS

    "V" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=39825.msg677171#msg677171 date=1195607097]
    [quote author=V link=topic=39825.msg677158#msg677158 date=1195605674]
    Kansas deserves #2. They are an undefeated team in a marquee conference. Enough said.
    They have not even played Texas or Oklahoma!

    Marquee Conference?

    So your telling me Baylor, Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State are marquee teams? PLEASE!!!!!!
    :

    Enough said.

    The Big 12 is a marquee conference. If not, then what is?

    Are Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, and Minnesota marquee teams?
    You could make a better argument for Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Missippi State, and Arkansas, but all of those teams have at least 4 losses.

    You, like most college football fans out there, are basing this all on what has happened over the past years. Fact is, THIS YEAR, Kansas is better than Ohio State, USC, Florida, Oklahoma etc... they fully deserve the ranking they have.

    Sure, they might lose to Missouri, but the fact you are using Missouri as a measuring stick is ridiculous by itself.
    SEC: 5 ranked teams. Need I say more.

    Don't get me wrong the Big 12 is a good conference but not much better than the Big 10. They have five teams at 8-4 or better and so does the Big 10. The whole Big 10 is at .500 or above except Minnesota. The Big 12 only has 7 out of 12. They have four ranked teams and the Big 10 has 3. Not really seeing your point of view but that is ok. It is your opinion.

    My point of view is simple. If an undefeated Ohio State was ranked #1, then an undefeated Kansas should be ranked #2. That simple. How you don't agree with that puzzles me.
    The BCS rankings have a lot more involve than just wins and losses!
    : Why is Hawaii not in the top 5?
    : Your point of view makes no sense and IMO is wrong.
    [/quote]

    The BCS rankings involve more than wins and losses, like the fact the Kansas has crushed almost every team they've played. We're talking complete blowouts, and total domination.

    Hawaii does not play in a major conference, which has been my whole point all along.

    An undefeated team in a major conference, no matter which team it is, is always going to be ranked high. You honestly don't agree with that? I'll aceept that I'm wrong if you can name an 11-0 team from the Big 12, SEC, Big Ten, or PaC-10, that wasn't in the top 5, going back to the inception of the BCS of
    course.

    On October 20th, Ohio State was 8-0. Their only win against a ranked opponent was Purdue. What were they ranked? #1!
    How is Kansas any different?
    [/quote]

    Did I say Ohio State was different? People please stop with the assumptions.

    If they are a true #2 team then they should be blowing them out. They played Central Michigan, Southeastern Louisiana, Toledo, Florida International, Kansas State, Baylor, Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State. WOW!
    That is impressive. Overall opponents records 47-75. Yes that is definitly a #2 team in the country.
    : Lets just look at LSU who is #1. They have played 6 ranked teams compared to the big fat 0. They have a compined opponent record of 66-56. That is a large difference between #1 and #2. Man that is a BCS Championship I want to see.
    :

    You will see my point after saturday night.

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    Re: LSU Still 1 - Kansas 2 in BCS

    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    [quote author=V link=topic=39825.msg677718#msg677718 date=1195689009]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=39825.msg677171#msg677171 date=1195607097]
    [quote author=V link=topic=39825.msg677158#msg677158 date=1195605674]
    Kansas deserves #2. They are an undefeated team in a marquee conference. Enough said.
    They have not even played Texas or Oklahoma!

    Marquee Conference?

    So your telling me Baylor, Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State are marquee teams? PLEASE!!!!!!
    :

    Enough said.

    The Big 12 is a marquee conference. If not, then what is?

    Are Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, and Minnesota marquee teams?
    You could make a better argument for Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Missippi State, and Arkansas, but all of those teams have at least 4 losses.

    You, like most college football fans out there, are basing this all on what has happened over the past years. Fact is, THIS YEAR, Kansas is better than Ohio State, USC, Florida, Oklahoma etc... they fully deserve the ranking they have.

    Sure, they might lose to Missouri, but the fact you are using Missouri as a measuring stick is ridiculous by itself.
    SEC: 5 ranked teams. Need I say more.

    Don't get me wrong the Big 12 is a good conference but not much better than the Big 10. They have five teams at 8-4 or better and so does the Big 10. The whole Big 10 is at .500 or above except Minnesota. The Big 12 only has 7 out of 12. They have four ranked teams and the Big 10 has 3. Not really seeing your point of view but that is ok. It is your opinion.

    My point of view is simple. If an undefeated Ohio State was ranked #1, then an undefeated Kansas should be ranked #2. That simple. How you don't agree with that puzzles me.
    The BCS rankings have a lot more involve than just wins and losses!
    : Why is Hawaii not in the top 5?
    : Your point of view makes no sense and IMO is wrong.
    [/quote]

    The BCS rankings involve more than wins and losses, like the fact the Kansas has crushed almost every team they've played. We're talking complete blowouts, and total domination.

    Hawaii does not play in a major conference, which has been my whole point all along.

    An undefeated team in a major conference, no matter which team it is, is always going to be ranked high. You honestly don't agree with that? I'll aceept that I'm wrong if you can name an 11-0 team from the Big 12, SEC, Big Ten, or PaC-10, that wasn't in the top 5, going back to the inception of the BCS of
    course.

    On October 20th, Ohio State was 8-0. Their only win against a ranked opponent was Purdue. What were they ranked? #1!
    How is Kansas any different?
    [/quote]

    Did I say Ohio State was different? People please stop with the assumptions.

    If they are a true #2 team then they should be blowing them out. They played Central Michigan, Southeastern Louisiana, Toledo, Florida International, Kansas State, Baylor, Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State. WOW!
    That is impressive. Overall opponents records 47-75. Yes that is definitly a #2 team in the country.
    : Lets just look at LSU who is #1. They have played 6 ranked teams compared to the big fat 0. They have a compined opponent record of 66-56. That is a large difference between #1 and #2. Man that is a BCS Championship I want to see.
    :

    You will see my point after saturday night.
    [/quote]

    Sheesh. I never said that I want to see an LSU vs. Kansas in the BCS Championship. Nor did I say Kansas was actually good. There is a strong possibility they lose to Missouri.

    All I said was that an undefeated team in a major conference is going to be ranked high, whether you agree with it or not. If Missouri beats Kansas, they are going to move to #2, and you are probably going to have the exact same gripes. You need to accept the fact that these teams deserve to be ranked high, and will aways be ranked high.

    I have always seen, and agreed with your point, which is that Kansas is overrated. However, right now, they deserve the #2 ranking. If they lose tommorow, things will obviously change.

    Hopefully, someone will beat LSU, because them playing in the Sugar Bowl for the championship is really unfair.
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    Thanks Josdin!

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    Re: LSU Still 1 - Kansas 2 in BCS

    "V" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "marstc09" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=39825.msg677820#msg677820 date=1195700625]
    [quote author=V link=topic=39825.msg677718#msg677718 date=1195689009]
    [quote author=marstc09 link=topic=39825.msg677171#msg677171 date=1195607097]
    [quote author=V link=topic=39825.msg677158#msg677158 date=1195605674]
    Kansas deserves #2. They are an undefeated team in a marquee conference. Enough said.
    They have not even played Texas or Oklahoma!

    Marquee Conference?

    So your telling me Baylor, Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State are marquee teams? PLEASE!!!!!!
    :

    Enough said.

    The Big 12 is a marquee conference. If not, then what is?

    Are Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, and Minnesota marquee teams?
    You could make a better argument for Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Missippi State, and Arkansas, but all of those teams have at least 4 losses.

    You, like most college football fans out there, are basing this all on what has happened over the past years. Fact is, THIS YEAR, Kansas is better than Ohio State, USC, Florida, Oklahoma etc... they fully deserve the ranking they have.

    Sure, they might lose to Missouri, but the fact you are using Missouri as a measuring stick is ridiculous by itself.
    SEC: 5 ranked teams. Need I say more.

    Don't get me wrong the Big 12 is a good conference but not much better than the Big 10. They have five teams at 8-4 or better and so does the Big 10. The whole Big 10 is at .500 or above except Minnesota. The Big 12 only has 7 out of 12. They have four ranked teams and the Big 10 has 3. Not really seeing your point of view but that is ok. It is your opinion.

    My point of view is simple. If an undefeated Ohio State was ranked #1, then an undefeated Kansas should be ranked #2. That simple. How you don't agree with that puzzles me.
    The BCS rankings have a lot more involve than just wins and losses!
    : Why is Hawaii not in the top 5?
    : Your point of view makes no sense and IMO is wrong.
    [/quote]

    The BCS rankings involve more than wins and losses, like the fact the Kansas has crushed almost every team they've played. We're talking complete blowouts, and total domination.

    Hawaii does not play in a major conference, which has been my whole point all along.

    An undefeated team in a major conference, no matter which team it is, is always going to be ranked high. You honestly don't agree with that? I'll aceept that I'm wrong if you can name an 11-0 team from the Big 12, SEC, Big Ten, or PaC-10, that wasn't in the top 5, going back to the inception of the BCS of
    course.

    On October 20th, Ohio State was 8-0. Their only win against a ranked opponent was Purdue. What were they ranked? #1!
    How is Kansas any different?
    [/quote]

    Did I say Ohio State was different? People please stop with the assumptions.

    If they are a true #2 team then they should be blowing them out. They played Central Michigan, Southeastern Louisiana, Toledo, Florida International, Kansas State, Baylor, Colorado, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa State. WOW!
    That is impressive. Overall opponents records 47-75. Yes that is definitly a #2 team in the country.
    : Lets just look at LSU who is #1. They have played 6 ranked teams compared to the big fat 0. They have a compined opponent record of 66-56. That is a large difference between #1 and #2. Man that is a BCS Championship I want to see.
    :

    You will see my point after saturday night.
    [/quote]

    Sheesh. I never said that I want to see an LSU vs. Kansas in the BCS Championship. Nor did I say Kansas was actually good. There is a strong possibility they lose to Missouri.

    All I said was that an undefeated team in a major conference is going to be ranked high, whether you agree with it or not. If Missouri beats Kansas, they are going to move to #2, and you are probably going to have the exact same gripes. You need to accept the fact that these teams deserve to be ranked high, and will aways be ranked high.

    I have always seen, and agreed with your point, which is that Kansas is overrated. However, right now, they deserve the #2 ranking. If they lose tommorow, things will obviously change.

    Hopefully, someone will beat LSU, because them playing in the Sugar Bowl for the championship is really unfair.
    [/quote]

    I agree they should be ranked high but not #2. Your also right that I do not believe Missouri should be #2 if they beat Kansas. IMO USC should be ranked higher. I have a feeling the Championship is going to be a blowout.

    How is LSU playing in the championship unfair?

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    Re: LSU Still 1 - Kansas 2 in BCS

    LSU loses to Razorbacks -- No longer #1
    50-48 in three overtimes
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    Re: LSU Still 1 - Kansas 2 in BCS

    Kansas beats mizzou.
    Kansas Loses to Oklahoma.
    Ohio State vs West Virginia for the National Championship

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    Kansas beats mizzou.
    Kansas Loses to Oklahoma.
    Ohio State vs West Virginia for the National Championship
    West Virgina plays a tough game with UConn. They could lose. The Kansas/Missouri game will be for the BCS title and I think you are right, the winner will play Ohio State.
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