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    Re: The 4th Military Academy (Irish) Lose

    "VKG4LFE" wrote:
    I'm not trying to argue, you love your team, I love mine. Quinn should win the Heismann and Smith shouldn't, just my opinion. That's all.
    I do disagree about that, however.
    I think Troy Smith should win the Heisman.
    He's the MVP of college football this year, IMHO.
    Quinn failed to lead his team to victory in the 2 biggest games of the season - that figures into my calculation for this award.

    Quinn will be a better pro QB, however.

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    But, could Smith have won those games without the defense that he has? Granted he did a helluva job in those games (not as much against Michigan, but whatever) but if Quinn had a top notch D his team would have made him look even better, IMO.

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    Re: The 4th Military Academy (Irish) Lose

    "VKG4LFE" wrote:
    But, could Smith have won those games without the defense that he has? Granted he did a helluva job in those games (not as much against Michigan, but whatever) but if Quinn had a top notch D his team would have made him look even better, IMO.
    The top-notch OSU D gave up 39 points to Michigan.
    I find it hard not to give the award to a superlative player on a dominant team.

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    Re: The 4th Military Academy (Irish) Lose

    The turnovers helped that cause and Michigan has been scoring all year long. There is no arguing that OSU has a MUCH better D than Notre Dame.

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    Re: The 4th Military Academy (Irish) Lose

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    "ultravikingfan" wrote:
    So, I could care less about 8 popularity contests.
    I care about the one this year that ND is not a part of though.
    Cannot play wuss teams and think you can compete in college ball.
    Don't believe me, look at their schedule.
    Yes.
    Let's look at Notre Dame's schedule.

    Game 1 - @ Georgia Tech - ND wins on the road - GT is now 9-3 and headed to the ACC Title game.
    Game 2 - Penn State - 8-4 - ND wins by 24
    Game 3 - Michigan - 11-1 - ND gets blown out
    Game 4 - @ Michigan State - 4-8 - ND stages historic comeback to beat bad team
    Game 5 - Purdue - 8-5 - ND wins by 14
    Game 6 - Stanford - 1-10 - ND wins by 21
    Game 7 - UCLA - 6-5 - ND wins by 3
    Game 8 - Navy - 8-3 - ND wins by 24
    Game 9 - UNC - 3-9 - ND wins by 19
    Game 10 - @ Air Force - 4-7 - ND wins by 22
    Game 11 - Army - 3-8 - ND wins by 32
    Game 12 - @ USC - 10-1 - ND gets blown out

    You are correct in noting that Stanford, UNC & Army are pretty putrid.
    Air Force is on a down year, as well.
    I think Navy is a quality opponent as are the Big-10 schools they played (well - maybe not Michigan State).
    All of those rivalries, however, are long-standing, traditional ND rivalries which is why ND continues to play Navy, Army and Air Force.
    Tradition means something.

    Now - in the issue of fairness, let's take a look at Ohio State's schedule.

    Game 1 - Northern Illinois - 7-5 - OSU wins by 23
    Game 2 - @ Texas - 9-3 - OSU wins by 17
    Game 3 - Cincinnati - 7-5 - OSU wins by 30
    Game 4 - Penn State - 8-4 - OSU wins by 22
    Game 5 - @ Iowa - 6-6 - OSU wins by 21
    Game 6 - Bowling Green - 4-8 - OSU wins by 28
    Game 7 - @ Michigan State - 4-8 - OSU wins by 31
    Game 8 - Indiana - 5-7 - OSU wins by 41
    Game 9 - Minnesota - 6-6 - OSU wins by 44
    Game 10 - @ Illinois - 2-10 - OSU wins by 7
    Game 11 - @ Northwestern - 4-8 - OSU wins by 44
    Game 12 - Michigan - 11-1 - OSU wins by 3

    OSU non-conference opponents are Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, Cincinnati and Texas.
    Are you kidding me?
    Texas is a legit win against a big-time school, but NIU, BG and UofC of patsies tossed up for the W and you know it.

    In Big-10 play, OSU played neither Wisconsin nor Purdue, two of the top-5 finishers in the conference.
    Instead, they feasted upon the bottom feeders of the conference - except, of course, when they barely snuck out a win against the worst of the worst, winning by 7 over the Illini.

    I have no doubt that OSU would likely kick ND all over the field - the ND defense is truly putrid.
    But do not hold up the OSU schedule as if it is some titanic struggle against high-quality opponent week-after-week.
    Northwestern LOST to Div-IAA New Hampshire at HOME and Minnesota almost lost to Div-IAA NDSU at HOME.


    Compare the schedules side-by-side and they are pretty equal.

    @Georgia Tech is a wash with @Texas.
    Cross out the 3 common opponents (PSU, Michigan & MSU).
    Stanford and Illinois is a wash.
    @Air Force and @Northwestern is a wash.
    UCLA is a better team than either NIU, Bowling Green or Cincinnati, as is, I would guess, Navy.
    So add UNC and will wash out those 3 games.

    That leaves Purdue as a better opponent for ND than Minnesota or Iowa.
    Army as a weaker opponent than Indiana.
    And USC as a MUCH stronger opponent than anything OSU has left.

    Keep believing that schpiel you're draping all over this thread if you want to, Ultra.
    The reality is something quite different.

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    That is the most ridiculous formulas I have ever seen.

    When ND plays quality opponents, they get buried.
    Georgia Tech and Navy are ok teams and they won those games.
    I would consider them tough opponents.
    They stomp the crap teams like UNC, AF, Army, and Stanford.

    OSU on the other hand beats quality opponents such as Texas and Michigan.


    There is no need to make silly comparisons.
    OSU is at the top, ND is not.


    Who is the better team?

    Exactly.



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    Re: The 4th Military Academy (Irish) Lose

    "AWZeus" wrote:
    "VKG4LFE" wrote:
    But, could Smith have won those games without the defense that he has? Granted he did a helluva job in those games (not as much against Michigan, but whatever) but if Quinn had a top notch D his team would have made him look even better, IMO.
    The top-notch OSU D gave up 39 points to Michigan.
    I find it hard not to give the award to a superlative player on a dominant team.

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    Michigan had the top ranked defense in college and they gave up 42?
    Whats your point?
    They averaged only 30 yards a game on the ground and gave up 187 to OSU?
    Once again, whats your point?

    Michigan is the 2nd best team in the nation still, IMO.
    I knew it was going to be a close game and it was.
    All that matters is the "W"; something that Viking fans can appreciate.

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    Re: The 4th Military Academy (Irish) Lose

    I don't hate OSU, I do however hate Michigan. Michigan gave up a lot of rushing yards to the Gophers too, not 187, but over 100. Michigan had a cupcake schedule this season except for ND and OSU. What all this means, I have no clue, but I just like to type a lot!! lol

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