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    The Vikes are Pretenders, not Contenters..............

    The Cold, Hard Football Facts put a great deal of stock in quality wins. You should, too, especially if you’re a gambling man. But there seems to be quite a bit of confusion over what we mean when we say “quality wins” and “quality opponents.”

    It’s quite simple: A quality win is any victory over a team that currently has a winning record. The key is “currently.” If Team A beats a 3-0 Team B in Week Four, that’s a quality win. However, if Team B goes in the tank, and ends up 6-10 for the season, that early victory by Team A would no longer qualify as a quality win at the end of the season. Why? Because it turns out Team B really wasn’t as good as their earlier 3-0 record seemed to indicate.

    Here’s a good example from this season. When St. Louis beat 3-0 Seattle, it was a quality win. When New England beat 3-1 Seattle the following game, it was a quality win, too. But Seattle is now 3-3. St. Louis and New England each lose credit for a quality win, at least for the time being.

    A quality opponent, meanwhile, is any team that currently boasts a winning record. In the eyes of the Cold, Hard Football Facts, 3-3 Seattle no longer qualifies as a quality opponent.

    The premise
    Quality wins are based upon a simple premise, one that trumps any other trend or stat: the best teams are those that are most capable of beating other good teams. It’s proven an extremely effective handicapping strategy over the years. That’s bad news for the “pundits” and wise guys, who try to wow football fans and/or snag their cash by churning out spreadsheets full of meaningless data.

    Sure, Team A may be 5-1 all-time on the road in 4 p.m. games following a bye week. And Team B may give up an average of just 14 points in home games against division rivals since the start of the 2001 season. But we’ll take the team who has faced and beat the toughest teams. It’s an easy formula, but it’s ruthlessly effective.

    Pretenders vs. contenders
    The Cold, Hard Football Facts quality wins quotient helps us separate frauds that pile up victories against sponge-cake schedules from razor-sharp contenders forged against the iron of the league.

    For example, it was pretty clear last year that Kansas City, which jumped out to a 9-0 record before finishing the season at 13-3, was a pretender entering the playoffs. The 2003 Chiefs played just fives teams with winning records, none better than 10-6, and did not record a single quality win over the last 10 weeks of the season (after three quality wins in the first six weeks). They lost their first and only playoff game to Indy, a team that posted a 12-4 regular season record and had four quality wins, including two against 12-4 Tennessee.

    On the other hand, the quality wins quotient showed that New England was the best team entering the 2003 playoffs: the Patriots had chalked up a remarkable six quality wins during the regular season, including three against 12-4 teams. Three more quality wins in the playoffs gave them a virtually unheard of nine in a 19-game span. The Patriots have earned two more quality wins (Indy and NY Jets) this season, for a remarkable 11 (against zero losses to quality opponents) in a 25-game period.

    The quality wins crystal ball
    This year's early-season pretenders are highlighted by:

    5-1 Pittsburgh (zero quality wins)
    5-1 NY Jets (zero quality wins)
    5-1 Minnesota (zero quality wins)
    4-2 Indy (one quality win)

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    The Vikes are Pretenders, not Contenters..............

    Looks good on paper...but the Vikes will crush the Jints on the field!
    BANNED OR DEAD...I'LL TAKE EITHER ONE

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    "cajunvike" wrote:
    Looks good on paper...but the Vikes will crush the Jints on the field!

    Crush huh? We'll see..............

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    Well we don't get to play whoever we want, so you can hardly base it on that. Besides, the Giants havn't beat anyone worthwhile, Washington, Cleveland, Dallas, Green Bay...? Plus you lost to the Lions and were killed by Philly alot worse than us.


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    "ItalianStallion" wrote:
    Well we don't get to play whoever we want, so you can hardly base it on that. Besides, the Giants havn't beat anyone worthwhile, Washington, Cleveland, Dallas, Green Bay...? Plus you lost to the Lions and were killed by Philly alot worse than us.

    Your absolutely right, but coming into the season, nobody expected the Giants to play at the level that they are. We have almost a brand new team.

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    The Vikes are Pretenders, not Contenters..............

    Beat by the LIONS in NY,

    IN NY.

    Talk about trying to make pretenders into contenders, the Giants got beat by the Lions.

    The team up until this year had lost 24 straight road games.

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    The Vikes are Pretenders, not Contenters..............

    "GIANTSOVERVIKES" wrote:
    "cajunvike" wrote:
    Looks good on paper...but the Vikes will crush the Jints on the field!

    Crush huh? We'll see..............
    CRUSH!!!
    BANNED OR DEAD...I'LL TAKE EITHER ONE

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    "GIANTSOVERVIKES" wrote:
    Your absolutely right, but coming into the season, nobody expected the Giants to play at the level that they are. We have almost a brand new team.
    Thats what we said, Your team won't make the playoffs and if we cant beat your team we dont deserve to go to the playoffs.

    I have a really good feeling about this game, ulike i did last year.

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    The Vikes are Pretenders, not Contenters..............

    VaGiants = ZERO quality wins!

    Giants have beaten the Browns, 3-4
    Giants have beaten the Packers, 3-4
    Giants have beaten the Cowboys, 2-4
    Giants have beaten the Redskins, 2-4

    Conclusion .... VaGiants SUCK!!!
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    Re: The Vikes are Pretenders, not Contenters..............

    "GIANTSOVERVIKES" wrote:
    The Cold, Hard Football Facts put a great deal of stock in quality wins. You should, too, especially if you’re a gambling man. But there seems to be quite a bit of confusion over what we mean when we say “quality wins” and “quality opponents.”

    It’s quite simple: A quality win is any victory over a team that currently has a winning record. The key is “currently.” If Team A beats a 3-0 Team B in Week Four, that’s a quality win. However, if Team B goes in the tank, and ends up 6-10 for the season, that early victory by Team A would no longer qualify as a quality win at the end of the season. Why? Because it turns out Team B really wasn’t as good as their earlier 3-0 record seemed to indicate.

    Here’s a good example from this season. When St. Louis beat 3-0 Seattle, it was a quality win. When New England beat 3-1 Seattle the following game, it was a quality win, too. But Seattle is now 3-3. St. Louis and New England each lose credit for a quality win, at least for the time being.

    A quality opponent, meanwhile, is any team that currently boasts a winning record. In the eyes of the Cold, Hard Football Facts, 3-3 Seattle no longer qualifies as a quality opponent.

    The premise
    Quality wins are based upon a simple premise, one that trumps any other trend or stat: the best teams are those that are most capable of beating other good teams. It’s proven an extremely effective handicapping strategy over the years. That’s bad news for the “pundits” and wise guys, who try to wow football fans and/or snag their cash by churning out spreadsheets full of meaningless data.

    Sure, Team A may be 5-1 all-time on the road in 4 p.m. games following a bye week. And Team B may give up an average of just 14 points in home games against division rivals since the start of the 2001 season. But we’ll take the team who has faced and beat the toughest teams. It’s an easy formula, but it’s ruthlessly effective.

    Pretenders vs. contenders
    The Cold, Hard Football Facts quality wins quotient helps us separate frauds that pile up victories against sponge-cake schedules from razor-sharp contenders forged against the iron of the league.

    For example, it was pretty clear last year that Kansas City, which jumped out to a 9-0 record before finishing the season at 13-3, was a pretender entering the playoffs. The 2003 Chiefs played just fives teams with winning records, none better than 10-6, and did not record a single quality win over the last 10 weeks of the season (after three quality wins in the first six weeks). They lost their first and only playoff game to Indy, a team that posted a 12-4 regular season record and had four quality wins, including two against 12-4 Tennessee.

    On the other hand, the quality wins quotient showed that New England was the best team entering the 2003 playoffs: the Patriots had chalked up a remarkable six quality wins during the regular season, including three against 12-4 teams. Three more quality wins in the playoffs gave them a virtually unheard of nine in a 19-game span. The Patriots have earned two more quality wins (Indy and NY Jets) this season, for a remarkable 11 (against zero losses to quality opponents) in a 25-game period.

    The quality wins crystal ball
    This year's early-season pretenders are highlighted by:

    5-1 Pittsburgh (zero quality wins)
    5-1 NY Jets (zero quality wins)
    5-1 Minnesota (zero quality wins)
    4-2 Indy (one quality win)
    Kurt Warner is the biggest pretender in the NFL right now. He's gonna be eaten alive on Sunday, end of story.

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