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    Re: Tyler Thigpen - A steal as a 7th round pick?

    "ejmat" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    1. I fully blame Childress for selecting TJ. Always have, always will.
    Still blaming the HC and the HC only huh?



    OK, lets just assume that the HC scouts the players, goes to all thier workouts, watches all the tape on each and every player that could fit the scheme and then, if he has any time left at all, actually runs the draft and makes the gol 'darnit picks thereby circumventing the whole FO, what QB should have the Chiller drafted that year?

    [s]QB 1
    Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA[/s]
    [s]QB 2
    Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX[/s]
    [s]QB 3
    Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN[/s]
    QB 4
    Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
    QB 5
    Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
    [s]QB 6
    Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR[/s]
    QB 7
    Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
    QB 8
    Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
    QB 9
    Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
    QB 10
    Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
    QB 11
    Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
    QB 12
    D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
    QB 13
    Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
    QB 14
    Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
    QB 15
    Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
    QB 16
    Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State
    QB 17
    Nobody


    Comeon my friend, the Chiller has done lots of bonehead things during his tenure, but to sit here and continue with the idea "The HC is tied to the QB" thing is simply crazy talk.

    I suppose you blame Fisher for Drafting VY that year as well?

    :

    I put in the guy who would have been the best one.
    ;D
    LOL, I love the discussions about how bad this staff sucks at getting talent at the QB position but they continue to ignore one fact.


    The state of the NFL and its QB's is simply atrocious the last 5 years or so.
    IMHO its gonna continue to get worse as the collegiate ranks continue to move towards the "Spread" offenses.
    Gonna make it tough on staffs to determine if a cat will make a successfull transition to the next level and make the FA pool even slimmer as no team in their right mind will let one of any quality go.
    Good point Marrdro.
    My guess is it will lead to more NFL teams moving towards collegiate style offenses such as the Wildcat set and so on.
    There are still going to be those QBs that can play any style (ala Matt Ryan).
    My guess to the reasoning to draft Booty is because he has played in an NFL style offense at USC.
    Even if his hands are only 8 1/2 inches. LOL
    ;D.

    Even if you don't blame him fully, you have to criticize his lack of ability to properly develop TJ, expecially since he was touted as a QB maker when he first came on board.

    And, by the way, the answer was to trade up and get Cutler. Duh.
    "I hate when threads are destroyed by facts and logic."
    - Prophet


    Thanks Josdin!

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    Re: Tyler Thigpen - A steal as a 7th round pick?

    "V" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    [quote author=V link=topic=36629.msg864408#msg864408 date=1226470304]
    1. I fully blame Childress for selecting TJ. Always have, always will.
    Still blaming the HC and the HC only huh?



    OK, lets just assume that the HC scouts the players, goes to all thier workouts, watches all the tape on each and every player that could fit the scheme and then, if he has any time left at all, actually runs the draft and makes the gol 'darnit picks thereby circumventing the whole FO, what QB should have the Chiller drafted that year?

    [s]QB 1
    Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA[/s]
    [s]QB 2
    Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX[/s]
    [s]QB 3
    Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN[/s]
    QB 4
    Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
    QB 5
    Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
    [s]QB 6
    Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR[/s]
    QB 7
    Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
    QB 8
    Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
    QB 9
    Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
    QB 10
    Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
    QB 11
    Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
    QB 12
    D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
    QB 13
    Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
    QB 14
    Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
    QB 15
    Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
    QB 16
    Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State
    QB 17
    Nobody


    Comeon my friend, the Chiller has done lots of bonehead things during his tenure, but to sit here and continue with the idea "The HC is tied to the QB" thing is simply crazy talk.

    I suppose you blame Fisher for Drafting VY that year as well?

    :

    I put in the guy who would have been the best one.
    ;D
    LOL, I love the discussions about how bad this staff sucks at getting talent at the QB position but they continue to ignore one fact.


    The state of the NFL and its QB's is simply atrocious the last 5 years or so.
    IMHO its gonna continue to get worse as the collegiate ranks continue to move towards the "Spread" offenses.
    Gonna make it tough on staffs to determine if a cat will make a successfull transition to the next level and make the FA pool even slimmer as no team in their right mind will let one of any quality go.
    Good point Marrdro.
    My guess is it will lead to more NFL teams moving towards collegiate style offenses such as the Wildcat set and so on.
    There are still going to be those QBs that can play any style (ala Matt Ryan).
    My guess to the reasoning to draft Booty is because he has played in an NFL style offense at USC.
    Even if his hands are only 8 1/2 inches. LOL
    ;D.

    Even if you don't blame him fully, you have to criticize his lack of ability to properly develop TJ, expecially since he was touted as a QB maker when he first came on board.

    And, by the way, the answer was to trade up and get Cutler. Duh.
    [/quote]
    Now thats better.

    Of course I blame him for the development of TJ but put more blame on the QBs coach who IMHO I really thought was the right man for the job.
    Very let down with Coach Rogers.
    :'(

    Again, back to the scenario where the Chiller does it all and bypasses the GM (Like) person on our staff, then Foley, who I have always said, should have traded up for Cutler or at least taken Clemens before the Jets got him.
    Many many thanks to my talented friend Jos for the new Sig.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/josdin00/Vikings/Marrdro_sig.jpg

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    Re: Tyler Thigpen - A steal as a 7th round pick?

    "ejmat" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    1. I fully blame Childress for selecting TJ. Always have, always will.
    Still blaming the HC and the HC only huh?



    OK, lets just assume that the HC scouts the players, goes to all thier workouts, watches all the tape on each and every player that could fit the scheme and then, if he has any time left at all, actually runs the draft and makes the gol 'darnit picks thereby circumventing the whole FO, what QB should have the Chiller drafted that year?

    [s]QB 1
    Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA[/s]
    [s]QB 2
    Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX[/s]
    [s]QB 3
    Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN[/s]
    QB 4
    Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
    QB 5
    Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
    [s]QB 6
    Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR[/s]
    QB 7
    Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
    QB 8
    Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
    QB 9
    Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
    QB 10
    Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
    QB 11
    Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
    QB 12
    D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
    QB 13
    Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
    QB 14
    Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
    QB 15
    Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
    QB 16
    Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State
    QB 17
    Nobody


    Comeon my friend, the Chiller has done lots of bonehead things during his tenure, but to sit here and continue with the idea "The HC is tied to the QB" thing is simply crazy talk.

    I suppose you blame Fisher for Drafting VY that year as well?

    :

    I put in the guy who would have been the best one.
    ;D
    LOL, I love the discussions about how bad this staff sucks at getting talent at the QB position but they continue to ignore one fact.


    The state of the NFL and its QB's is simply atrocious the last 5 years or so.
    IMHO its gonna continue to get worse as the collegiate ranks continue to move towards the "Spread" offenses.
    Gonna make it tough on staffs to determine if a cat will make a successfull transition to the next level and make the FA pool even slimmer as no team in their right mind will let one of any quality go.
    Good point Marrdro.
    My guess is it will lead to more NFL teams moving towards collegiate style offenses such as the Wildcat set and so on.
    There are still going to be those QBs that can play any style (ala Matt Ryan).
    My guess to the reasoning to draft Booty is because he has played in an NFL style offense at USC.
    Even if his hands are only 8 1/2 inches. LOL
    ;D.

    Or we could bring in a HC that is familiar with how the collegiate ranks do things and have him morph a variant of those types of offenses into the scheme the Vikes run.

    Call me silly but Pete would be a good fit if someone asked me my opinion.
    ;D
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    Re: Tyler Thigpen - A steal as a 7th round pick?

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=36629.msg864449#msg864449 date=1226494957]
    [quote author=V link=topic=36629.msg864408#msg864408 date=1226470304]
    1. I fully blame Childress for selecting TJ. Always have, always will.
    Still blaming the HC and the HC only huh?



    OK, lets just assume that the HC scouts the players, goes to all thier workouts, watches all the tape on each and every player that could fit the scheme and then, if he has any time left at all, actually runs the draft and makes the gol 'darnit picks thereby circumventing the whole FO, what QB should have the Chiller drafted that year?

    [s]QB 1
    Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA[/s]
    [s]QB 2
    Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX[/s]
    [s]QB 3
    Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN[/s]
    QB 4
    Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
    QB 5
    Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
    [s]QB 6
    Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR[/s]
    QB 7
    Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
    QB 8
    Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
    QB 9
    Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
    QB 10
    Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
    QB 11
    Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
    QB 12
    D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
    QB 13
    Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
    QB 14
    Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
    QB 15
    Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
    QB 16
    Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State
    QB 17
    Nobody


    Comeon my friend, the Chiller has done lots of bonehead things during his tenure, but to sit here and continue with the idea "The HC is tied to the QB" thing is simply crazy talk.

    I suppose you blame Fisher for Drafting VY that year as well?

    :

    I put in the guy who would have been the best one.
    ;D
    LOL, I love the discussions about how bad this staff sucks at getting talent at the QB position but they continue to ignore one fact.


    The state of the NFL and its QB's is simply atrocious the last 5 years or so.
    IMHO its gonna continue to get worse as the collegiate ranks continue to move towards the "Spread" offenses.
    Gonna make it tough on staffs to determine if a cat will make a successfull transition to the next level and make the FA pool even slimmer as no team in their right mind will let one of any quality go.
    Good point Marrdro.
    My guess is it will lead to more NFL teams moving towards collegiate style offenses such as the Wildcat set and so on.
    There are still going to be those QBs that can play any style (ala Matt Ryan).
    My guess to the reasoning to draft Booty is because he has played in an NFL style offense at USC.
    Even if his hands are only 8 1/2 inches. LOL
    ;D.

    Even if you don't blame him fully, you have to criticize his lack of ability to properly develop TJ, expecially since he was touted as a QB maker when he first came on board.

    And, by the way, the answer was to trade up and get Cutler. Duh.
    [/quote]
    Now thats better.

    Of course I blame him for the development of TJ but put more blame on the QBs coach who IMHO I really thought was the right man for the job.
    Very let down with Coach Rogers.

    :'(

    Again, back to the scenario where the Chiller does it all and bypasses the GM (Like) person on our staff, then Foley, who I have always said, should have traded up for Cutler or at least taken Clemens before the Jets got him.
    [/quote]

    Finally!!!!!
    People are actually making sense of all of this.
    I am in agreement to blame Chilly for the lack of QB development in TJ.
    I would have loved for him totrade up for Cutler but who know's if he tried to?
    The things I don't like Childress getting the blame on are things that are beyond his control or we as PPOers do not know enough about to make that determination.

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    Re: Tyler Thigpen - A steal as a 7th round pick?

    "ejmat" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    [quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=36629.msg864454#msg864454 date=1226495283]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=36629.msg864449#msg864449 date=1226494957]
    [quote author=V link=topic=36629.msg864408#msg864408 date=1226470304]
    1. I fully blame Childress for selecting TJ. Always have, always will.
    Still blaming the HC and the HC only huh?



    OK, lets just assume that the HC scouts the players, goes to all thier workouts, watches all the tape on each and every player that could fit the scheme and then, if he has any time left at all, actually runs the draft and makes the gol 'darnit picks thereby circumventing the whole FO, what QB should have the Chiller drafted that year?

    [s]QB 1
    Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA[/s]
    [s]QB 2
    Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX[/s]
    [s]QB 3
    Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN[/s]
    QB 4
    Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
    QB 5
    Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
    [s]QB 6
    Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR[/s]
    QB 7
    Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
    QB 8
    Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
    QB 9
    Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
    QB 10
    Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
    QB 11
    Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
    QB 12
    D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
    QB 13
    Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
    QB 14
    Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
    QB 15
    Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
    QB 16
    Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State
    QB 17
    Nobody


    Comeon my friend, the Chiller has done lots of bonehead things during his tenure, but to sit here and continue with the idea "The HC is tied to the QB" thing is simply crazy talk.

    I suppose you blame Fisher for Drafting VY that year as well?

    :

    I put in the guy who would have been the best one.
    ;D
    LOL, I love the discussions about how bad this staff sucks at getting talent at the QB position but they continue to ignore one fact.


    The state of the NFL and its QB's is simply atrocious the last 5 years or so.
    IMHO its gonna continue to get worse as the collegiate ranks continue to move towards the "Spread" offenses.
    Gonna make it tough on staffs to determine if a cat will make a successfull transition to the next level and make the FA pool even slimmer as no team in their right mind will let one of any quality go.
    Good point Marrdro.
    My guess is it will lead to more NFL teams moving towards collegiate style offenses such as the Wildcat set and so on.
    There are still going to be those QBs that can play any style (ala Matt Ryan).
    My guess to the reasoning to draft Booty is because he has played in an NFL style offense at USC.
    Even if his hands are only 8 1/2 inches. LOL
    ;D.

    Even if you don't blame him fully, you have to criticize his lack of ability to properly develop TJ, expecially since he was touted as a QB maker when he first came on board.

    And, by the way, the answer was to trade up and get Cutler. Duh.
    [/quote]
    Now thats better.

    Of course I blame him for the development of TJ but put more blame on the QBs coach who IMHO I really thought was the right man for the job.
    Very let down with Coach Rogers.

    :'(

    Again, back to the scenario where the Chiller does it all and bypasses the GM (Like) person on our staff, then Foley, who I have always said, should have traded up for Cutler or at least taken Clemens before the Jets got him.
    [/quote]

    Finally!!!!!
    People are actually making sense of all of this.
    I am in agreement to blame Chilly for the lack of QB development in TJ.
    I would have loved for him totrade up for Cutler but who know's if he tried to?
    The things I don't like Childress getting the blame on are things that are beyond his control or we as PPOers do not know enough about to make that determination.
    [/quote]
    You got the jist of it but missed the whole point.....

    It wasn't up to the Chiller to go trade up or not.
    It was up to Foley.
    They targeted 3 QB's in that draft as developmental projects.....

    a.
    Cutler - Viable option as a starter right away, solid as a second year starter.
    b.
    Clemens - 2 year project.
    c.
    TJ - Long term project.

    The way I read the tea leaves, Foley wouldn't give up what was asked so he decided to go get Clemens.
    Problem with that was he waited to long and the Jets snagged him. I believe that is what caused the huge fallout (shouting match) during the draft between Foley, Studwell and the Chiller as any fool who watches the draft stuff knew that the Jets were high on the kid.

    End result, we then had to move up and get the only other viable option for the staff.

    Again, not on the Chiller but he has failed in his duties as head coach and that is to get the kid ready to play.
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    Re: Tyler Thigpen - A steal as a 7th round pick?

    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V" wrote:
    "ejmat" wrote:
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=36629.msg864456#msg864456 date=1226495616]
    [quote author=UffDaVikes link=topic=36629.msg864454#msg864454 date=1226495283]
    [quote author=Marrdro link=topic=36629.msg864449#msg864449 date=1226494957]
    [quote author=V link=topic=36629.msg864408#msg864408 date=1226470304]
    1. I fully blame Childress for selecting TJ. Always have, always will.
    Still blaming the HC and the HC only huh?



    OK, lets just assume that the HC scouts the players, goes to all thier workouts, watches all the tape on each and every player that could fit the scheme and then, if he has any time left at all, actually runs the draft and makes the gol 'darnit picks thereby circumventing the whole FO, what QB should have the Chiller drafted that year?

    [s]QB 1
    Matt Leinart SR 6-5/217/- USC Santa Ana, CA[/s]
    [s]QB 2
    Vince Young JR 6-5/233/- Texas Houston, TX[/s]
    [s]QB 3
    Jay Cutler SR 6-4/225/- Vanderbilt Lincoln City, IN[/s]
    QB 4
    Brodie Croyle SR 6-2.5/206/- Alabama Rainbow City, AL
    QB 5
    Charlie Whitehurst SR 6-4/215/4.75 Clemson Alpharetta, GA
    [s]QB 6
    Kellen Clemens SR 6-2/218/- Oregon Burns, OR[/s]
    QB 7
    Omar Jacobs JR 6-4/210/- Bowling Green Delray Beach, FL
    QB 8
    Ingle Martin SR 6-3/219/- Furman Nashville, TN
    QB 9
    Darrell Hackney SR 6-1/230/- UAB Atlanta, GA
    QB 10
    Reggie McNeal SR 6-2/206/- Texas A&M Lufkin, TX
    QB 11
    Bruce Gradkowski SR 6-2/210/- Toledo Pittsburgh, PA
    QB 12
    D.J. Shockley SR 6-1/206/- Georgia College Park, GA
    QB 13
    Brett Basanez SR 6-2/210/- Northwestern Arlington Hts, IL
    QB 14
    Erik Meyer SR 6-2/210/- Eastern Washington La Mirada, CA
    QB 15
    Paul Pinegar SR 6-4/220/- Fresno State Woodland, CA
    QB 16
    Travaris Jackson SR -/-/- Alabama State
    QB 17
    Nobody


    Comeon my friend, the Chiller has done lots of bonehead things during his tenure, but to sit here and continue with the idea "The HC is tied to the QB" thing is simply crazy talk.

    I suppose you blame Fisher for Drafting VY that year as well?

    :

    I put in the guy who would have been the best one.
    ;D
    LOL, I love the discussions about how bad this staff sucks at getting talent at the QB position but they continue to ignore one fact.


    The state of the NFL and its QB's is simply atrocious the last 5 years or so.
    IMHO its gonna continue to get worse as the collegiate ranks continue to move towards the "Spread" offenses.
    Gonna make it tough on staffs to determine if a cat will make a successfull transition to the next level and make the FA pool even slimmer as no team in their right mind will let one of any quality go.
    Good point Marrdro.
    My guess is it will lead to more NFL teams moving towards collegiate style offenses such as the Wildcat set and so on.
    There are still going to be those QBs that can play any style (ala Matt Ryan).
    My guess to the reasoning to draft Booty is because he has played in an NFL style offense at USC.
    Even if his hands are only 8 1/2 inches. LOL
    ;D.

    Even if you don't blame him fully, you have to criticize his lack of ability to properly develop TJ, expecially since he was touted as a QB maker when he first came on board.

    And, by the way, the answer was to trade up and get Cutler. Duh.
    [/quote]
    Now thats better.

    Of course I blame him for the development of TJ but put more blame on the QBs coach who IMHO I really thought was the right man for the job.
    Very let down with Coach Rogers.

    :'(

    Again, back to the scenario where the Chiller does it all and bypasses the GM (Like) person on our staff, then Foley, who I have always said, should have traded up for Cutler or at least taken Clemens before the Jets got him.
    [/quote]

    Finally!!!!!
    People are actually making sense of all of this.
    I am in agreement to blame Chilly for the lack of QB development in TJ.
    I would have loved for him totrade up for Cutler but who know's if he tried to?
    The things I don't like Childress getting the blame on are things that are beyond his control or we as PPOers do not know enough about to make that determination.
    [/quote]
    You got the jist of it but missed the whole point.....

    It wasn't up to the Chiller to go trade up or not.
    It was up to Foley.
    They targeted 3 QB's in that draft as developmental projects.....

    a.
    Cutler - Viable option as a starter right away, solid as a second year starter.
    b.
    Clemens - 2 year project.
    c.
    TJ - Long term project.

    The way I read the tea leaves, Foley wouldn't give up what was asked so he decided to go get Clemens.
    Problem with that was he waited to long and the Jets snagged him. I believe that is what caused the huge fallout (shouting match) during the draft between Foley, Studwell and the Chiller as any fool who watches the draft stuff knew that the Jets were high on the kid.

    End result, we then had to move up and get the only other viable option for the staff.

    Again, not on the Chiller but he has failed in his duties as head coach and that is to get the kid ready to play.
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    I agree Marr.
    I got it the first time.
    I can agree that he failed as a HC in getting TJ prepared and making the assessment he was ready to go.
    I'm just not into blaming things that are above him on him as others are trying to do.

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    I think it's too early to give up on Jackson

    He needs to fine tune some of his throws.. I think if he can get on page with his WRs he has the ability to do so

    And he needs to learn when to run and throw it away and basically just get a better feel for the game

    Idk if he is ready or not to continue his learning.. But I haven't given up on him yet

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    "Marrdro" wrote:
    You got the jist of it but missed the whole point.....

    It wasn't up to the Chiller to go trade up or not.
    It was up to Foley.
    They targeted 3 QB's in that draft as developmental projects.....

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    Cutler - Viable option as a starter right away, solid as a second year starter.
    b.
    Clemens - 2 year project.
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    TJ - Long term project.

    The way I read the tea leaves, Foley wouldn't give up what was asked so he decided to go get Clemens.
    Problem with that was he waited to long and the Jets snagged him. I believe that is what caused the huge fallout (shouting match) during the draft between Foley, Studwell and the Chiller as any fool who watches the draft stuff knew that the Jets were high on the kid.

    End result, we then had to move up and get the only other viable option for the staff.

    Again, not on the Chiller but he has failed in his duties as head coach and that is to get the kid ready to play.
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    "V4L" wrote:
    I think it's too early to give up on Jackson

    He needs to fine tune some of his throws.. I think if he can get on page with his WRs he has the ability to do so

    And he needs to learn when to run and throw it away and basically just get a better feel for the game

    Idk if he is ready or not to continue his learning.. But I haven't given up on him yet
    I agree.

    Way to early to tell if this kid will be any good.
    I bet if we let him go he wouldn't be on the waiver wire long regardless of what some think of him on here.
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    "Marrdro" wrote:
    "V4L" wrote:
    I think it's too early to give up on Jackson

    He needs to fine tune some of his throws.. I think if he can get on page with his WRs he has the ability to do so

    And he needs to learn when to run and throw it away and basically just get a better feel for the game

    Idk if he is ready or not to continue his learning.. But I haven't given up on him yet
    I agree.

    Way to early to tell if this kid will be any good.
    I bet if we let him go he wouldn't be on the waiver wire long regardless of what some think of him on here.

    Agree 100 percent

    I think if Gus has another game like the GB game next week we gotta look at getting Jackson some more first team reps

    If Gus does good at managing and not throwing the game away like he has been doing I am more then willing to let Jackson sit and learn the ins and outs more


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