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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    I believe that receiver was there last year as well, along with Garcon, yet they only managed two wins.
    They had alot more talent than just them, but their issues weren't just QB last year my friend. Injuries across the whole offense wore them down.

    Besides, Painter is no Luck. I don't care how many HOF WR's you run out there for that cat, he was gonna suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Well, I guess, but if you take their best WR away, I'm wondering if you would feel the same. Heck, Lucks numbers aren't really that great. Sure, more yards, more TD's, but lower completion percentage and 1/3 more INT's.

    RG III is another story, but I think that if you take away his ability to run the offense (make him a passer) like they had to last weekend, teams wouldn't have as many problems with him and that's if you let him keep his top receiver.
    It is a tired argument. Tired with T-Jack and tired with Ponder. Good quarterbacks are good quarterbacks. Does not matter who they are throwing too.

    YES ... Ponder would undoubtedly be better if Harvin was in the lineup, but that is life and if you are good ... you are good.

    Brady has put up numbers with less-than-stellar receiving corps a number of times. McNabb did it regularly. Luck is doing it with the same team (minus Garcon) that could not win three games last season. Griffin and Wilson are doing it with teams that could not get it done last season.

    If the entire argument for T-Jack and Ponder is that they did not have receivers ... then fuck em ... get the fuck out of the league if you are going to constantly blame your play on other players or the lack there of.

    I want to be a Ponder believer ... I truly do. Every game I watch and see and glimpse of something there (something I saw even more rarely with T-Jack) ... but at the end of the day you either perform or you don't. Period. When I watch Luck, Wilson, Griffin, even Newton ... they all perform ... they all look like game changers.

    Ponder simply doesn't ... no matter what excuse you want to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Tark could win on the road.
    Yep ... but he struggled mightily on neutral fields.

    BTW ... Tark was under .500 on the road for his career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    It is a tired argument. Tired with T-Jack and tired with Ponder. Good quarterbacks are good quarterbacks. Does not matter who they are throwing too.

    YES ... Ponder would undoubtedly be better if Harvin was in the lineup, but that is life and if you are good ... you are good.

    Brady has put up numbers with less-than-stellar receiving corps a number of times. McNabb did it regularly. Luck is doing it with the same team (minus Garcon) that could not win three games last season. Griffin and Wilson are doing it with teams that could not get it done last season.

    If the entire argument for T-Jack and Ponder is that they did not have receivers ... then fuck em ... get the fuck out of the league if you are going to constantly blame your play on other players or the lack there of.

    I want to be a Ponder believer ... I truly do. Every game I watch and see and glimpse of something there (something I saw even more rarely with T-Jack) ... but at the end of the day you either perform or you don't. Period. When I watch Luck, Wilson, Griffin, even Newton ... they all perform ... they all look like game changers.

    Ponder simply doesn't ... no matter what excuse you want to make.
    You are wasting your breath. I love Marr more than anyone else but he love rooting for the underdog. Besides gentlemen movies, Rocky is probably his favorite movie. He will try to convince you that Ponder is having a better season than Luck despite some obvious points.

    1) Luck doesn't play with Peterson
    2) Luck average comp attempt is 7.0 to ponders 5.9
    3) Luck is a Rookie, Ponder isn't
    4) Luck has 4100+ yards - Ponder 2700+
    5) Luck has thrown for 25% more tds than Ponder.
    6) Luck has 5 rushing tds to Ponder's 2

    I way Tds more than Ints because an Int can be thrown at the end of a half on a hell mary play and cost the team nothing. An Int thrown on 3rd and 25 deep and caught at the opponent's 10 isn't more than a punt. However, Tds are always points on the board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    You are wasting your breath. I love Marr more than anyone else but he love rooting for the underdog. Besides gentlemen movies, Rocky is probably his favorite movie. He will try to convince you that Ponder is having a better season than Luck despite some obvious points.

    1) Luck doesn't play with Peterson
    2) Luck average comp attempt is 7.0 to ponders 5.9
    3) Luck is a Rookie, Ponder isn't
    4) Luck has 4100+ yards - Ponder 2700+
    5) Luck has thrown for 25% more tds than Ponder.
    6) Luck has 5 rushing tds to Ponder's 2

    I way Tds more than Ints because an Int can be thrown at the end of a half on a hell mary play and cost the team nothing. An Int thrown on 3rd and 25 deep and caught at the opponent's 10 isn't more than a punt. However, Tds are always points on the board.
    I despise Rocky movies.....

    Look, I agree with both of you, but I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Ponder is crap, not until I see him work with viable WR's. Truth be told, we did see him with Percy and things were clicking pretty good, atleast until Percy went down.

    And both of you know that not all QB's are going to progress at the same rate. If they did Eli would have been shitcanned long before he won 2 superbowls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Yep ... but he struggled mightily on neutral fields.

    BTW ... Tark was under .500 on the road for his career.
    Thats a winning record isn't it? Again, I love watching the young kids play as well as they have. For years I've said that the QB pool sucked, now its getting a real nice influx of talent that I hope we enjoy for many years.

    I'm just not ready to crown them until we find out what they are going to look like year 2, 3 and even 4 (ala Newton). Heck even Ryan has doubters right now and Flacco might be a Free Agent let alone what has happened to Sanchez up there in Jetsville.

    On a side note, anyone still want Ryan as our HC? At one point I think I was the only one that called him a chucklehead.
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    Wilson looks like Tark

    Ponders arm is weak period
    If he had a receiver that gets down field the ball would be under thrown
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Tark could win on the road.
    So does Wilson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marrdro View Post
    Tark could win on the road.
    Yep ... but he struggled mightily on neutral fields.

    BTW ... Tark was under .500 on the road for his career.
    Owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marstc09 View Post
    So does Wilson.
    3 wins/5 losses. 3 of his road wins came vs Cards, Detroit and Miami. LOL. Gimme a break.
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