Besides, Painter is no Luck. I don't care how many HOF WR's you run out there for that cat, he was gonna suck.
YES ... Ponder would undoubtedly be better if Harvin was in the lineup, but that is life and if you are good ... you are good.
Brady has put up numbers with less-than-stellar receiving corps a number of times. McNabb did it regularly. Luck is doing it with the same team (minus Garcon) that could not win three games last season. Griffin and Wilson are doing it with teams that could not get it done last season.
If the entire argument for T-Jack and Ponder is that they did not have receivers ... then fuck em ... get the fuck out of the league if you are going to constantly blame your play on other players or the lack there of.
I want to be a Ponder believer ... I truly do. Every game I watch and see and glimpse of something there (something I saw even more rarely with T-Jack) ... but at the end of the day you either perform or you don't. Period. When I watch Luck, Wilson, Griffin, even Newton ... they all perform ... they all look like game changers.
Ponder simply doesn't ... no matter what excuse you want to make.
1) Luck doesn't play with Peterson
2) Luck average comp attempt is 7.0 to ponders 5.9
3) Luck is a Rookie, Ponder isn't
4) Luck has 4100+ yards - Ponder 2700+
5) Luck has thrown for 25% more tds than Ponder.
6) Luck has 5 rushing tds to Ponder's 2
I way Tds more than Ints because an Int can be thrown at the end of a half on a hell mary play and cost the team nothing. An Int thrown on 3rd and 25 deep and caught at the opponent's 10 isn't more than a punt. However, Tds are always points on the board.
Look, I agree with both of you, but I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Ponder is crap, not until I see him work with viable WR's. Truth be told, we did see him with Percy and things were clicking pretty good, atleast until Percy went down.
And both of you know that not all QB's are going to progress at the same rate. If they did Eli would have been shitcanned long before he won 2 superbowls.
I'm just not ready to crown them until we find out what they are going to look like year 2, 3 and even 4 (ala Newton). Heck even Ryan has doubters right now and Flacco might be a Free Agent let alone what has happened to Sanchez up there in Jetsville.
On a side note, anyone still want Ryan as our HC? At one point I think I was the only one that called him a chucklehead.
Ponders arm is weak period
If he had a receiver that gets down field the ball would be under thrown