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    Re: Is Williamson a first round flop? Or a victim?

    I understand that the receivers I listed were pretty good.
    And yes steve smith took three years to come into his own.
    Steve smith was a 3rd round draft pick.
    Were talking about the 7th overall pick.
    I am not really asking whether or not he has the potential to make it in 4 years from now.
    The concern that I have is he a first round flop.
    That doesn't mean he is a total flop and won't make it.
    But to have a guy like this that all of you are saying in four years will be the bomb.
    Who is going to be the bomb now?
    Even steve smith had other good receivers around him to help him get better.
    Everyone knows why moss produced so much his rookie year. Chris Carter.
    Well, there is no one in there to show Twill the ropes.
    My concern is why didn't we do anything about that instead of just thrusting him in the limelight and hoping he catches on.
    If that's the case then why stick with brad johnson, just throw in T-Jack since were all learning.
    Of course i am joking i think brad gives us the best chance to win.
    But come on, receivers who have been in this league for years hold out from teams because they want to be the number one guy, and probably should be.
    Twill got thrown into a role he can't handle yet, and he needs a better receiver than him to bring him up into it.

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    Re: Is Williamson a first round flop? Or a victim?

    "Del" wrote:
    Hell have Darren Sharper train him. You see that int he had against Brady. I'm surprised they didnt inspect his hands for glue or tacks or something.
    Sharper actually used the WRs hand to clasp that ball. They both tried to one hand that, but Sharper was in the best position to pull it in to his body.
    If you get a chance to see that again, watch how they clamp that ball.
    If it wasn't for the WR's hand, I don't think that would have been intercepted.

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    Re: Is Williamson a first round flop? Or a victim?

    "Acumen" wrote:
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    ...I just want to know if i am the only one who thinks our receiver situation is in big trouble.
    If you spend about four seconds looking at some of the other threads you would see that you are not alone.
    I have spent more than four seconds looking at the threads.
    And so far everyone is more concerned with marcus johnson, the supposed QB controversy, and Brad Childress play calling ability.
    And yes some have expressed concern with receiving.
    I am challanging Twill and the whole receiving core.
    Not just one guy.
    It's a little more magnified than in the other posts.


    Brad Can't keep throwing the dink and dunk if we have any hope of doing anything against the bears again, because now they will have a lot more tape on us.


    Travis Taylor cant hold on to the ball to save his life, he is very inconsistent at best.
    I think Marcus Robinson should be in the starting lineup every week.

    I hope Bethel Johnson can step up and make some plays, we have all this speed and no one to catch the ball.

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    Re: Is Williamson a first round flop? Or a victim?

    i cannot believe i just read that its BJs fault that Twill is dropping perfectly thrown balls. Twill is in a tie with dropped balls

    first a def. of dropped passes:
    Dropped Pass - Any incomplete pass which was catchable with normal effort. STATS compares and reviews the judgement of multiple reporters to determine if a pass was dropped.

    now the leaders in dropped passes tied at 7: (percentage does not take dropped passes into acount, only thrown to, and caught)

    t1. R. Brown (phi)


    51 passes, 26 catches (51%)

    t1. S. Smith


    73 passes, 53 catches (61.6%)

    t1. T. Williamson


    49 passes, 24 catches (49%)

    tied at 6 drops are

    t4. A. Johnson (hou)


    81 passes, 56 catches (61.1%)

    t4. R. Moss


    58 passes, 26 catches (44.8%)

    t4. B. Westbrook


    55 passes, 38 catches (69.1%)

    t4. R. Williams (jax)

    46 passes, 25 catches (54.3%)

    http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=2006&range=NFL&type=Receiving&ran k=232

    what does this mean... ???.uhm, i cant really remember, except that im seeing 2 eagles and a viking in the top, maybe its a trend stemming from the eagles coaching staff thats been brought over to the vikings. Steve smith has as many drops but gets twice as many passes thrown his way, randy moss is really having a down year, he is the real surprise to me with 6 dropped passes. Reggie Williams is a 3rd year veteran who is making an attempt at being the #1 WR like Wiliamson, theyre stats are very close.

    ;D one thing i do know for sure, no way is it brad johnsons fault!

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    Re: Is Williamson a first round flop? Or a victim?

    I agree that it is not brad johnsons fault.
    He had one bad game.
    End of story.
    But the reason he has to do the dink and dunk is because our receivers can't get open.
    When your receivers can't get open and your competition knows it, they cover jermaine a little bit more, then we are stuck, so try to run.
    People say to run the ball to open up the pass, I think this year it is working the other way around for us.
    The inability to pass has completeley hurt the run game.
    Even though we are having a halfway decent year at the run.

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    Re: Is Williamson a first round flop? Or a victim?

    T. Taylor 3 drops


    40 passes, 23 catches (57.5%)

    the guy that should have been the #1 WR from the beginning but cant now because hes hurt:

    M. Robinson ZERO dropped balls


    27 passes, 12 catches (48.1%)

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    Re: Is Williamson a first round flop? Or a victim?

    Youre forgetting one important stat.

    Marcus 3 Touchdowns

    Travis- 1

    TWILL- 0

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    Re: Is Williamson a first round flop? Or a victim?

    Here's my honest assessment of Troy Williamson.
    He was a first round, top 10, draft pick that was rising up most teams draft boards.
    He had been labeled raw but with huge upside potential.

    21 games into his career that huge upside potential has yet to raise it's head!

    Most will scream and yell that they don't care what round a player is taken in only that they deserve some grace period before being considered a flop. Why? Unknown!

    Troy has caught 48 balls for 698 yards and TWO touchdowns!
    I don't think by the end of the year he'll have improved much on that so best estimate is that he might have four tds by the end of this year.

    That in my honest estimation is a miserable upside potential and if he is still considered our #1 receiver going into next season we're in for a world of hurt!
    Some of us didn't want a WR drafted with Troy's pick.
    Some of us wanted a LB or a RB and or trading down to get other selections.
    I sure as heck wouldn't have to many complaints right now if either Merriman or Derrick Johnson had been drafted.
    Heck, I would be tickled pink to have Matt Jones, Mark Clayton, or Roddy White on this team over Williamson and most of those guys went late in round one!
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    Re: Is Williamson a first round flop? Or a victim?

    I know people said I listed some quality receivers in there, but Chad Johnson didn't get drafted till second round, Anquan Boldin was second round, Steve Smith was third round.

    I don't think it is too much to ask of our 7th overall pick, a hell of a pick, to do a little bit more in his 2nd year veteran status.
    People need to remember he is not a rookie.

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    Re: Is Williamson a first round flop? Or a victim?

    What TWill really needs is ballet lessons.


    Personally, I don't think there is intelligent life on other planets. Why should other planets be any different from this one?

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