Thread: Williamson believes drops are behind him

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

I hope they stop asking him to be Moss going deep and just give him the quick hitting slants and crossing patterns that he has shown he can catch and take to the endzone. He doesn't seem to have the ability to run,look behind him and catch the ball at the same time yet.

Stick to the basics

Great post! I am not making excuses for all of his drops but if you go and look back you will see that an unfair percentage of the passes thrown his way were bombs. But on short passes he was suprisingly productive. I think he can still be a deep threat to us at some point but he needs to learn more yet. There was still a few really bad drops on short routes so don't get me wrong that I am excusing him.....that 4th down curl route that he dropped might only be erased from my memory by a couple 1000 yard seasons


Even if he doesn't "break out" this year I don't think we will get rid of him. He won't be relied on at all to be a starter, but he could still be a solid 3rd or 4th WR. If he doesn't have a good year, he will have to fight like crazy to be able to crack the starting line up for any team.

Well I guess we should be happy Troy didn't come out and say "I think I will continue dropping the ball this year. I don't think it is behind me. I just cannot seem to catch." Personally, I could care less what Troy has to say ... he has to show me something for me to give a damn ...
And I think he just might.

"davike" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

I hope they stop asking him to be Moss going deep and just give him the quick hitting slants and crossing patterns that he has shown he can catch and take to the endzone. He doesn't seem to have the ability to run,look behind him and catch the ball at the same time yet.

Stick to the basics

Great post! I am not making excuses for all of his drops but if you go and look back you will see that an unfair percentage of the passes thrown his way were bombs. But on short passes he was suprisingly productive. I think he can still be a deep threat to us at some point but he needs to learn more yet. There was still a few really bad drops on short routes so don't get me wrong that I am excusing him.....that 4th down curl route that he dropped might only be erased from my memory by a couple 1000 yard seasons


Even if he doesn't "break out" this year I don't think we will get rid of him. He won't be relied on at all to be a starter, but he could still be a solid 3rd or 4th WR. If he doesn't have a good year, he will have to fight like crazy to be able to crack the starting line up for any team.

I sure hope that comes with a price-cut.

"SnoBumMN" wrote:

"davike" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

I hope they stop asking him to be Moss going deep and just give him the quick hitting slants and crossing patterns that he has shown he can catch and take to the endzone. He doesn't seem to have the ability to run,look behind him and catch the ball at the same time yet.

Stick to the basics

Great post! I am not making excuses for all of his drops but if you go and look back you will see that an unfair percentage of the passes thrown his way were bombs. But on short passes he was suprisingly productive. I think he can still be a deep threat to us at some point but he needs to learn more yet. There was still a few really bad drops on short routes so don't get me wrong that I am excusing him.....that 4th down curl route that he dropped might only be erased from my memory by a couple 1000 yard seasons


Even if he doesn't "break out" this year I don't think we will get rid of him. He won't be relied on at all to be a starter, but he could still be a solid 3rd or 4th WR. If he doesn't have a good year, he will have to fight like crazy to be able to crack the starting line up for any team.

I sure hope that comes with a price-cut.

True that...

"MaxVike" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

I hope they stop asking him to be Moss going deep and just give him the quick hitting slants and crossing patterns that he has shown he can catch and take to the endzone. He doesn't seem to have the ability to run,look behind him and catch the ball at the same time yet.

Stick to the basics

I totally agree.
He is just not a Moss type of receiver.
I think he can be most successful as you depict.
In fact, he is probably much more suited to be successful in Childress' offense than he was for the supposed role Tice (et al) drafted him to fill.

That is what I have been saying for a long time, but I am just an armchair coach

"COJOMAY" wrote:

He needs the confidence of catching a few balls in game conditions and he will be much better. If he drops the first couple of balls thrown to him he's done.

How true COJO! He really needs to build his confidence quick, a few dropped passes and it's all over. He could be such a huge weapon for the vikes with his athletic ability. He really needs to step up and show some swagger.

"davike" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

I hope they stop asking him to be Moss going deep and just give him the quick hitting slants and crossing patterns that he has shown he can catch and take to the endzone. He doesn't seem to have the ability to run,look behind him and catch the ball at the same time yet.

Stick to the basics

Great post! I am not making excuses for all of his drops but if you go and look back you will see that an unfair percentage of the passes thrown his way were bombs. But on short passes he was suprisingly productive. I think he can still be a deep threat to us at some point but he needs to learn more yet. There was still a few really bad drops on short routes so don't get me wrong that I am excusing him.....that 4th down curl route that he dropped might only be erased from my memory by a couple 1000 yard seasons


Even if he doesn't "break out" this year I don't think we will get rid of him. He won't be relied on at all to be a starter, but he could still be a solid 3rd or 4th WR. If he doesn't have a good year, he will have to fight like crazy to be able to crack the starting line up for any team.

I just can't agree with that. Troy has amazing speed and the capability to burn anyone one on one when going deep because of this speed and his route running. When you have a speedy WR like Troy, the best way to use him, either as a primary option or a decoy, is to send him deep. It stretches the defense out, opening up other options both in the pass and running game. Because he can't catch deep balls, which is ridicululous for a pro receiver, he has rendered his speed as almost useless really.

That being said, there is no point in sending him deep if he won't catch the ball. The soultion however, is not to stop sending Williamson deep. The solution is for Williamson to start catching the balls on those deep routes.

"V" wrote:

"davike" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

I hope they stop asking him to be Moss going deep and just give him the quick hitting slants and crossing patterns that he has shown he can catch and take to the endzone. He doesn't seem to have the ability to run,look behind him and catch the ball at the same time yet.

Stick to the basics

Great post! I am not making excuses for all of his drops but if you go and look back you will see that an unfair percentage of the passes thrown his way were bombs. But on short passes he was suprisingly productive. I think he can still be a deep threat to us at some point but he needs to learn more yet. There was still a few really bad drops on short routes so don't get me wrong that I am excusing him.....that 4th down curl route that he dropped might only be erased from my memory by a couple 1000 yard seasons


Even if he doesn't "break out" this year I don't think we will get rid of him. He won't be relied on at all to be a starter, but he could still be a solid 3rd or 4th WR. If he doesn't have a good year, he will have to fight like crazy to be able to crack the starting line up for any team.

I just can't agree with that. Troy has amazing speed and the capability to burn anyone one on one when going deep because of this speed and his route running. When you have a speedy WR like Troy, the best way to use him, either as a primary option or a decoy, is to send him deep. It stretches the defense out, opening up other options both in the pass and running game. Because he can't catch deep balls, which is ridicululous for a pro receiver, he has rendered his speed as almost useless really.

That being said, there is no point in sending him deep if he won't catch the ball. The soultion however, is not to stop sending Williamson deep. The solution is for Williamson to start catching the balls on those deep routes.

I agree he has speed and you cannot coach that. I think he he fails to catch the deep ball this year we need to address if he is worthy enough to keep. I would like to see him run more slants this year.

He made the final cuts so that says something about his worth in comparison to the guys we let go.
If he was worth less than what we are paying him in comparison to the other guys making less, I think we would have let him go.

But, just because we kept him and the fact that he has optimism doesn't mean he is going to make hte plays on Sunday.

I hope he contributes something to this team.

Personally, he hasn't earned my trust yet (not that that matters much). Everytime the ball is thrown his way, I will be holding my breath.
It honestly shouldn't be this difficult for a pro WR.

We have talked about TO and TW having multiple drops last year, in the double digits for both.
The difference being is that when TO does catch the ball, and that is a lot, he does something after the catch besides fall down.
Let's not turn this into a TO thread, I was just making the point that TW's drops can't be ofset by the other thing that he does on the field, because he doesn't do anything else.
TW needs to catch balls this year.
He can not drop catchable balls.

The kid is likable as a person.
I have seen many feel good articles about TW trying to improve over the last three years.
I have seen the articles about him wanting to be a great player.
But trying and wanting just won't cut it this year.
Doing is everything!

"V" wrote:

"davike" wrote:

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

I hope they stop asking him to be Moss going deep and just give him the quick hitting slants and crossing patterns that he has shown he can catch and take to the endzone. He doesn't seem to have the ability to run,look behind him and catch the ball at the same time yet.

Stick to the basics

Great post! I am not making excuses for all of his drops but if you go and look back you will see that an unfair percentage of the passes thrown his way were bombs. But on short passes he was suprisingly productive. I think he can still be a deep threat to us at some point but he needs to learn more yet. There was still a few really bad drops on short routes so don't get me wrong that I am excusing him.....that 4th down curl route that he dropped might only be erased from my memory by a couple 1000 yard seasons


Even if he doesn't "break out" this year I don't think we will get rid of him. He won't be relied on at all to be a starter, but he could still be a solid 3rd or 4th WR. If he doesn't have a good year, he will have to fight like crazy to be able to crack the starting line up for any team.

I just can't agree with that. Troy has amazing speed and the capability to burn anyone one on one when going deep because of this speed and his route running. When you have a speedy WR like Troy, the best way to use him, either as a primary option or a decoy, is to send him deep. It stretches the defense out, opening up other options both in the pass and running game. Because he can't catch deep balls, which is ridicululous for a pro receiver, he has rendered his speed as almost useless really.

That being said, there is no point in sending him deep if he won't catch the ball. The soultion however, is not to stop sending Williamson deep. The solution is for Williamson to start catching the balls on those deep routes.

That kind of speed is also very dangerous in the open field on our rub ( Pick) plays too and the inside crossing routes. All you have to do is get him into the open field with a little daylight and he can make things happen.If you look back at his college highlights these are the types of plays where he took it to the house. There are no highlights that I could find a few months back when I was looking at his college plays where I saw him catch a ball over his shoulder in stride while he was running past a defender. In this offense and the way our blocking and rythm is set up, i think this is the only way to get production out of him, much like we used to have with Anthony Carter.