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    Re: Williamson...

    Dis is an excerpt from an article by Len Pasquarelli from da ESPN website dat I posted earlier in da season, about rookie wide receivers:
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    From 1990 to 2004, there were 55 wide receivers selected in the first round. The average output for their rookie seasons: 7.5 starts, 34.2 receptions, 472 yards and 3.1 touchdowns. Those numbers eventually spiraled upward exponentially for many first-round wideouts, but not until they experienced the growing pains of a difficult rookie campaign.

    Of the 55 wide receivers chosen in the first round between 1990 and 2004, just four of them -- Joey Galloway (Seattle, '95), Terry Glenn (New England, '96), Randy Moss (Minnesota, '98) and Michael Clayton (Tampa Bay, 2004) -- posted 1,000-yard years as rookies. Only nine of the wideouts were chosen for even one Pro Bowl. Over the same stretch, there were a dozen first-round tailbacks who rushed for 1,000 yards in their rookie seasons.

    In fact, since 1990, only one wide receiver selected outside the first round -- Arizona's Anquan Boldin, a second-round pick in 2003 -- has registered a 1,000-yard year as a rookie. Since the 1970 merger, only nine wideouts, regardless of the round in which they were chosen, posted 1,000 yards as rookies. Moss is the lone first-rounder since '90 to have more than 50 catches, at least 1,000 yards and double-digit touchdowns in his first season in the league.

    Over the last 15 years, there have been 15 first-round wide receivers who rang up 50 or more catches as rookies, but 13 who had fewer than 15 receptions. Nine of the 55 first-rounders since 1990 had fewer than 10 catches as rookies, and seven of them had five or fewer. At least all six wide receivers from the first round of the 2005 draft already have double-digit receptions, and all but Mark Clayton of the Baltimore Ravens have achieved triple-digit yardage.

    Herman Moore, the former Detroit Lions star who registered 670 receptions in a mostly brilliant 12-year career that included four Pro Bowl berths, had just 11 catches for 135 yards in his 1991 rookie season and failed to score a touchdown. Johnnie Morton had only three catches, 39 yards and one touchdown in 1994, but has 614 receptions since then, including eight seasons with 50 or more grabs. Santana Moss, who has emerged with the Washington Redskins this season as one of the NFL's most explosive players, rang up just two catches for 40 yards with the New York Jets in 2001. Reggie Wayne of the Indianapolis Colts? Zero touchdowns as a rookie in 2001. Buffalo's Eric Moulds' rookie stats included just 20 receptions, 279 yards and two scores. And Javon Walker of Green Bay, who was on his way to being one of the NFL's premier playmakers until a knee injury ended his 2005 season before it began, scored all of once in 2002.
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    So's, just be patient youse mugs. Receivers take a while to develop. I tink he has as good a chance ta be a good, mebbe even great, receiver as any of 'em out dere.
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    Re: Williamson...

    "OldManVike" wrote:
    Dis is an excerpt from an article by Len Pasquarelli from da ESPN website dat I posted earlier in da season, about rookie wide receivers:
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    From 1990 to 2004, there were 55 wide receivers selected in the first round. The average output for their rookie seasons: 7.5 starts, 34.2 receptions, 472 yards and 3.1 touchdowns. Those numbers eventually spiraled upward exponentially for many first-round wideouts, but not until they experienced the growing pains of a difficult rookie campaign.
    Troy's stats:
    3 starts, 24 receptions, 372 yards, and 2 touchdowns.

    To prove my argument of not enough playing time given to the rookie, the average of rookie WRs in the last 14 years is 4.6 receptions, 62.9 yards, and 0.4 touchdowns PER START.
    Troy averaged 8 receptions, 124 yards, and 0.7 touchdowns PER START.

    I know the stats are a bit skewed because rookies often play substantially in games they don't start, but this at least says Troy has a ton of potential. Tice barely tried to use his talent this year.
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    Re: Williamson...

    I advocated for Mike Williams before the draft but now I can see why we picked Troy over Mike....and I'm not one bit upset.

    Mike Williams is SLOOOOWWWWW...and I mean real slow. In college he was so good because he was so much stronger then all the CB's and college LB's aren't that fast...here in the NFL he's getting exposed, CB's are outmuscling him. Heck if you can remember a certain play when we played the Lions at the Metrodome small little Winfield outmuscled him on the slant. That's not to say Mike won't become a good NFL player but this season most definetly didn't look as promising as most would have expected.

    Troy didn't do much better but that's due to his lack of playing time...not to mention Troy looks to be having the better future.

    The problem I see is that I don't want a WR used only for the deep threat...I want Troy to become a possession WR who can kill for the deep ball also (kind of like Marvin Harrison). Troy's got the quickest acceleration I've ever seen, the way he takes those 5 yards crossing routes into 20-40 yard gaines is enough to tell me that with patience this kid is going to rule the world in the near future.

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    Re: Williamson...

    yes troy accelerates really fast. "does that thing got a hemi?"

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    Re: Williamson...

    Yeap, apparently technology is advance enough to install that big baby inside Troy's heart. *wink*

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    Re: Williamson...

    "COJOMAY" wrote:
    That's doubtful if we go to a West Coast offense which emphasises shorter, crisper route patterns.
    Noone has said we are going to the West Coast offense just yet ... and some burners are still pretty effective in that offense ... I think that Williamson will be quite effective next season next to Burly and K-Rob ... if both return.

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    Re: Williamson...

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    "COJOMAY" wrote:
    That's doubtful if we go to a West Coast offense which emphasises shorter, crisper route patterns.
    Noone has said we are going to the West Coast offense just yet ... and some burners are still pretty effective in that offense ... I think that Williamson will be quite effective next season next to Burly and K-Rob ... if both return.
    childress said it already.

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    TWill will break out next season...he made some sick catches this year, so we know he's got the hands, we already know he's got the speed, and the route running and separation will both come with time...result...he will kick some butt next year. Matt Jones won't be far behind him either.
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    Re: Williamson...

    Again I dont want to sound like a broken record but when the Panthers Offensive Cordinator spoke highly of TW it made me feel better, and I am still very happy with the pick. I also dont know that he is a kick returner, but hope he will be a great receiver in the coming years.

    Plus he is a local boy for me, which is cool.

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    Re: Williamson...

    Troy also got major ups!

    I think if Nate commands too much money we should let him go...a WR core of Koren, Troy, Marcus, and Taylor isn't all that bad either.

    Look at it this way...if Nate returns most likely our opening day WR depth chart will go 1. Koren 2. Nate 3. Taylor 4. TROY.

    I want Troy to start getting major playing time next year.

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