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    Re: Will Erin Henderson & Jaymar Johnson Make The Team?

    Both of these guys have a shot and seem to be real workers, but in the long run ... I think it is no and no.

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    Re: Will Erin Henderson & Jaymar Johnson Make The Team?

    I like both theses players and think that they both have a good chance of making it on the 53 man
    Erin could easily beat out vinny he had 11 special teams tackles last season, when he is suppose to be a stud at special teams while harwell broke over twenty tackles.
    i could very well see our Backup LBs being Harwell, Pope, henderson or Harwell alexander, Pope, or any combo of the four i dont really see Vinny coming back.

    and jaymar i think see practice squad at first then brought up when Fegi goes down whith one of his cronic injuries.

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    By the way there wasn't anyone else as pissed as me when we drafted Troy, when the possible rumors of Troy being drafted so early were afloat I cringed. His production was nothing specail but he's a great track and field guy which lead to him being drafted so very high. Thanks to Mike Tice, there was obvious homework that went untouched in this decision.
    Exactly which WR should the Vikings have drafted then? Mike Williams? LOL!

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    Henderson: Yes
    Johnson: No
    I believe that Darius Reynaud will beat him out. I don't understand JJ's appeal. e is a speedster that didn't dominate his level of weeker compitition. Then we have Reynaud that Dominated his level of competition( in a very run heavy offense)

    JJ seems to being looked at as a Return man. However, Reynaud is 10 times the return man that JJ appears to be. I hope JJ is moved to the practice squad and Reynaud beats out Ferge....After all that 20 bench press is impressive and might indicate that he is an excellent down field blocker.
    It doesn't surprise me you don't understand JJ's appeal. First off I would like to explain how JJ was actually drafted and ranked higher by our orginization, this proven because he was actually drafted him while Reynod was UFA. I like Reynod, I like his strength but as far as a natuaral football player, work ethic and attitude I give the advantage to JJ. JJ runs a very nice route, he's in and out of cuts quick and he has a knack for returning punts. He's probably the most talented punt returner we've had on our squad in years. I believe that two or three years in our weight room in the offseason programs JJ can turn into a great return man for us and a productive WR.

    I think thats quite argueable, when drafting JJ Childress said he likes what he does in terms of returning the ball, if we were looking for a return man and Reynod was ten times the player I think he would have been drafted.

    After all is said and done it will be very very difficult to make these cuts, I would like to keep both JJ and Reynod but this is unlikely to happen and I don't think either of them would clear waivers for the practice squad.

    Erin Henderson on the other hand has more of an up field battle to make the squad, he's got very heavy competition there and I'm very high on Rufus Alexander who we are yet to see but was a 5th round selection. He's all over the field with his intesity and motor. This is an extremely intrisiting position to predict. Vini is a guy who started off slow but then started coming on after the injuries were dealt with. In the end the staff will do whats best for the team.
    He is? I haven't seen either JJ or Reynaud return punts in the NFL yet. How can you make that claim already & how can Kevin already claim Reynaud is 10 times the return man that JJ appears to be?

    If you're basing it off of what he did in college, what their return numbers?

    I don't put to much stock in what was done in college. It's not the pros & we have seen to many players not get the same production they did in college.

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    By the way there wasn't anyone else as pissed as me when we drafted Troy, when the possible rumors of Troy being drafted so early were afloat I cringed. His production was nothing specail but he's a great track and field guy which lead to him being drafted so very high. Thanks to Mike Tice, there was obvious homework that went untouched in this decision.
    Exactly which WR should the Vikings have drafted then? Mike Williams? LOL!
    Well to be honest 3 years ago I was a Mike Williams fan but I wasn't a scout with the ability to dig deep into the actaul player/person. IMO had Childress drafted that year we would have gone with the BPA and avoided both guys and ended up with somebody like Shawn Merrian who would have better benifited the team then and now.

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    Henderson: Yes
    Johnson: No
    I believe that Darius Reynaud will beat him out. I don't understand JJ's appeal. e is a speedster that didn't dominate his level of weeker compitition. Then we have Reynaud that Dominated his level of competition( in a very run heavy offense)

    JJ seems to being looked at as a Return man. However, Reynaud is 10 times the return man that JJ appears to be. I hope JJ is moved to the practice squad and Reynaud beats out Ferge....After all that 20 bench press is impressive and might indicate that he is an excellent down field blocker.
    It doesn't surprise me you don't understand JJ's appeal. First off I would like to explain how JJ was actually drafted and ranked higher by our orginization, this proven because he was actually drafted him while Reynod was UFA. I like Reynod, I like his strength but as far as a natuaral football player, work ethic and attitude I give the advantage to JJ. JJ runs a very nice route, he's in and out of cuts quick and he has a knack for returning punts. He's probably the most talented punt returner we've had on our squad in years. I believe that two or three years in our weight room in the offseason programs JJ can turn into a great return man for us and a productive WR.

    I think thats quite argueable, when drafting JJ Childress said he likes what he does in terms of returning the ball, if we were looking for a return man and Reynod was ten times the player I think he would have been drafted.

    After all is said and done it will be very very difficult to make these cuts, I would like to keep both JJ and Reynod but this is unlikely to happen and I don't think either of them would clear waivers for the practice squad.

    Erin Henderson on the other hand has more of an up field battle to make the squad, he's got very heavy competition there and I'm very high on Rufus Alexander who we are yet to see but was a 5th round selection. He's all over the field with his intesity and motor. This is an extremely intrisiting position to predict. Vini is a guy who started off slow but then started coming on after the injuries were dealt with. In the end the staff will do whats best for the team.
    He is? I haven't seen either JJ or Reynaud return punts in the NFL yet. How can you make that claim already & how can Kevin already claim Reynaud is 10 times the return man that JJ appears to be?

    If you're basing it off of what he did in college, what their return numbers?

    I don't put to much stock in what was done in college. It's not the pros & we have seen to many players not get the same production they did in college.
    The last time we had a real punt returner was probably Palmer. Ever since then its been musical chairs with the occasional big play from somebody like Moore or Burelson. Reynod being 10 times better than JJ is laughable and a perfect example of going overboard in a disagreement.

    I havn't spent to much time digging into JJ's numbers, although the average on returns is nice. I prefer to watch the actual tape, the real mcoy, the resume. YouTube is loaded with Videos on this guy probably showing a good portion of his punt returns. He looks extremely smooth and talented in his approach to kick returning. Along with those things if you get a chance to here an interview the kid practicly drools over the thought of returning a kick. This type of passion cannot be underestamated. I've been patiently waiting for a pure return man and Childress posibly drafted him this year.

    I agree its never a good idea to base a decision completly off of stats they created in college rather a combination of the actual person, attitude, work ethic, poise, thinking patterns added with the on the field resume. From what i've seen it would be a mistake to let JJ ever hit the waiver wire but we will see what happens. I can see a steady pattern in the way the coaching staff has drafted these kids, there is certain criteria in order to meat the standards. If you don't meat those standards your not playing for this team because you don't meat the standards set in becoming a contributer on the NFL level.

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    Re: Will Erin Henderson & Jaymar Johnson Make The Team?

    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    Henderson: Yes
    Johnson: No
    I believe that Darius Reynaud will beat him out. I don't understand JJ's appeal. e is a speedster that didn't dominate his level of weeker compitition. Then we have Reynaud that Dominated his level of competition( in a very run heavy offense)

    JJ seems to being looked at as a Return man. However, Reynaud is 10 times the return man that JJ appears to be. I hope JJ is moved to the practice squad and Reynaud beats out Ferge....After all that 20 bench press is impressive and might indicate that he is an excellent down field blocker.
    It doesn't surprise me you don't understand JJ's appeal. First off I would like to explain how JJ was actually drafted and ranked higher by our orginization, this proven because he was actually drafted him while Reynod was UFA. I like Reynod, I like his strength but as far as a natuaral football player, work ethic and attitude I give the advantage to JJ. JJ runs a very nice route, he's in and out of cuts quick and he has a knack for returning punts. He's probably the most talented punt returner we've had on our squad in years. I believe that two or three years in our weight room in the offseason programs JJ can turn into a great return man for us and a productive WR.

    I think thats quite argueable, when drafting JJ Childress said he likes what he does in terms of returning the ball, if we were looking for a return man and Reynod was ten times the player I think he would have been drafted.

    After all is said and done it will be very very difficult to make these cuts, I would like to keep both JJ and Reynod but this is unlikely to happen and I don't think either of them would clear waivers for the practice squad.

    Erin Henderson on the other hand has more of an up field battle to make the squad, he's got very heavy competition there and I'm very high on Rufus Alexander who we are yet to see but was a 5th round selection. He's all over the field with his intesity and motor. This is an extremely intrisiting position to predict. Vini is a guy who started off slow but then started coming on after the injuries were dealt with. In the end the staff will do whats best for the team.
    He is? I haven't seen either JJ or Reynaud return punts in the NFL yet. How can you make that claim already & how can Kevin already claim Reynaud is 10 times the return man that JJ appears to be?

    If you're basing it off of what he did in college, what their return numbers?

    I don't put to much stock in what was done in college. It's not the pros & we have seen to many players not get the same production they did in college.
    The last time we had a real punt returner was probably Palmer. Ever since then its been musical chairs with the occasional big play from somebody like Moore or Burelson. Reynod being 10 times better than JJ is laughable and a perfect example of going overboard in a disagreement.

    I havn't spent to much time digging into JJ's numbers, although the average on returns is nice. I prefer to watch the actual tape, the real mcoy, the resume. YouTube is loaded with Videos on this guy probably showing a good portion of his punt returns. He looks extremely smooth and talented in his approach to kick returning. Along with those things if you get a chance to here an interview the kid practicly drools over the thought of returning a kick. This type of passion cannot be underestamated. I've been patiently waiting for a pure return man and Childress posibly drafted him this year.

    I agree its never a good idea to base a decision completly off of stats they created in college rather a combination of the actual person, attitude, work ethic, poise, thinking patterns added with the on the field resume. From what i've seen it would be a mistake to let JJ ever hit the waiver wire but we will see what happens. I can see a steady pattern in the way the coaching staff has drafted these kids, there is certain criteria in order to meat the standards. If you don't meat those standards your not playing for this team because you don't meat the standards set in becoming a contributer on the NFL level.
    JJ is a talented PR. Darius is a feared punt returner, Screen, and reverse man. Being in Va i have had alot of chances to see Henderson and Darius play. I don't put much stock in the Sunbelt and returning punts in that conference. BTW, this is coming from a guy that played in the MEAC and for a team that is quickly becoming the NFl's small school for DE's so i understand the level of competition small conferences provide. I am appy to get ends, lbs and even Qb's from small schools. WR's i would try to avoid like the plague.( exclusing TO and Rice of course. The reason I think Darius didn't get drafted was due to his size. He is
    5'9 201 lbs. He is build like a running back. He is stocky and i think teams feared that this would translate poorly to the league. It's clear to me that some mistakes were made this draft like every draft before it. Just because someone was selected ahead of someone else doesn't make them the correct choice. Sometimes players get lost on the board on draft day. It happens so because our CS selected JJ over DR doesn't mean JJ is a better prospect. I belive that if Jj gets placed on the practice squad he may get an offer however, if DR is placed there he will be signed before he takes off his pads.

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    Re: Will Erin Henderson & Jaymar Johnson Make The Team?

    [youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD2gbP0Nyqk[/youtube]

    7:15 minute mark!

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    After it's all said a done..What they did in college doesn't matter. I belive that DR gives us more explosiveness out of the WR poisition than anyone on the Roster. This isn't a knock on our players. It is however, a testiment to the ability of this guy. If only he was 6 feet like me :

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    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    Henderson: Yes
    Johnson: No
    I believe that Darius Reynaud will beat him out. I don't understand JJ's appeal. e is a speedster that didn't dominate his level of weeker compitition. Then we have Reynaud that Dominated his level of competition( in a very run heavy offense)

    JJ seems to being looked at as a Return man. However, Reynaud is 10 times the return man that JJ appears to be. I hope JJ is moved to the practice squad and Reynaud beats out Ferge....After all that 20 bench press is impressive and might indicate that he is an excellent down field blocker.
    It doesn't surprise me you don't understand JJ's appeal. First off I would like to explain how JJ was actually drafted and ranked higher by our orginization, this proven because he was actually drafted him while Reynod was UFA. I like Reynod, I like his strength but as far as a natuaral football player, work ethic and attitude I give the advantage to JJ. JJ runs a very nice route, he's in and out of cuts quick and he has a knack for returning punts. He's probably the most talented punt returner we've had on our squad in years. I believe that two or three years in our weight room in the offseason programs JJ can turn into a great return man for us and a productive WR.

    I think thats quite argueable, when drafting JJ Childress said he likes what he does in terms of returning the ball, if we were looking for a return man and Reynod was ten times the player I think he would have been drafted.

    After all is said and done it will be very very difficult to make these cuts, I would like to keep both JJ and Reynod but this is unlikely to happen and I don't think either of them would clear waivers for the practice squad.

    Erin Henderson on the other hand has more of an up field battle to make the squad, he's got very heavy competition there and I'm very high on Rufus Alexander who we are yet to see but was a 5th round selection. He's all over the field with his intesity and motor. This is an extremely intrisiting position to predict. Vini is a guy who started off slow but then started coming on after the injuries were dealt with. In the end the staff will do whats best for the team.
    He is? I haven't seen either JJ or Reynaud return punts in the NFL yet. How can you make that claim already & how can Kevin already claim Reynaud is 10 times the return man that JJ appears to be?

    If you're basing it off of what he did in college, what their return numbers?

    I don't put to much stock in what was done in college. It's not the pros & we have seen to many players not get the same production they did in college.
    The last time we had a real punt returner was probably Palmer. Ever since then its been musical chairs with the occasional big play from somebody like Moore or Burelson. Reynod being 10 times better than JJ is laughable and a perfect example of going overboard in a disagreement.

    I havn't spent to much time digging into JJ's numbers, although the average on returns is nice. I prefer to watch the actual tape, the real mcoy, the resume. YouTube is loaded with Videos on this guy probably showing a good portion of his punt returns. He looks extremely smooth and talented in his approach to kick returning. Along with those things if you get a chance to here an interview the kid practicly drools over the thought of returning a kick. This type of passion cannot be underestamated. I've been patiently waiting for a pure return man and Childress posibly drafted him this year.

    I agree its never a good idea to base a decision completly off of stats they created in college rather a combination of the actual person, attitude, work ethic, poise, thinking patterns added with the on the field resume. From what i've seen it would be a mistake to let JJ ever hit the waiver wire but we will see what happens. I can see a steady pattern in the way the coaching staff has drafted these kids, there is certain criteria in order to meat the standards. If you don't meat those standards your not playing for this team because you don't meat the standards set in becoming a contributer on the NFL level.
    JJ is a talented PR. Darius is a feared punt returner, Screen, and reverse man. Being in Va i have had alot of chances to see Henderson and Darius play. I don't put much stock in the Sunbelt and returning punts in that conference. BTW, this is coming from a guy that played in the MEAC and for a team that is quickly becoming the NFl's small school for DE's so i understand the level of competition small conferences provide. I am appy to get ends, lbs and even Qb's from small schools. WR's i would try to avoid like the plague.( exclusing TO and Rice of course. The reason I think Darius didn't get drafted was due to his size. He is
    5'9 201 lbs. He is build like a running back. He is stocky and i think teams feared that this would translate poorly to the league. It's clear to me that some mistakes were made this draft like every draft before it. Just because someone was selected ahead of someone else doesn't make them the correct choice. Sometimes players get lost on the board on draft day. It happens so because our CS selected JJ over DR doesn't mean JJ is a better prospect. I belive that if Jj gets placed on the practice squad he may get an offer however, if DR is placed there he will be signed before he takes off his pads.
    Yeah....cause teams were obviously drooling over comming into the draft.
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    "kevoncox" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "singersp" wrote:
    "VikingsTw" wrote:
    "kevoncox" wrote:
    Henderson: Yes
    Johnson: No
    I believe that Darius Reynaud will beat him out. I don't understand JJ's appeal. e is a speedster that didn't dominate his level of weeker compitition. Then we have Reynaud that Dominated his level of competition( in a very run heavy offense)

    JJ seems to being looked at as a Return man. However, Reynaud is 10 times the return man that JJ appears to be. I hope JJ is moved to the practice squad and Reynaud beats out Ferge....After all that 20 bench press is impressive and might indicate that he is an excellent down field blocker.
    It doesn't surprise me you don't understand JJ's appeal. First off I would like to explain how JJ was actually drafted and ranked higher by our orginization, this proven because he was actually drafted him while Reynod was UFA. I like Reynod, I like his strength but as far as a natuaral football player, work ethic and attitude I give the advantage to JJ. JJ runs a very nice route, he's in and out of cuts quick and he has a knack for returning punts. He's probably the most talented punt returner we've had on our squad in years. I believe that two or three years in our weight room in the offseason programs JJ can turn into a great return man for us and a productive WR.

    I think thats quite argueable, when drafting JJ Childress said he likes what he does in terms of returning the ball, if we were looking for a return man and Reynod was ten times the player I think he would have been drafted.

    After all is said and done it will be very very difficult to make these cuts, I would like to keep both JJ and Reynod but this is unlikely to happen and I don't think either of them would clear waivers for the practice squad.

    Erin Henderson on the other hand has more of an up field battle to make the squad, he's got very heavy competition there and I'm very high on Rufus Alexander who we are yet to see but was a 5th round selection. He's all over the field with his intesity and motor. This is an extremely intrisiting position to predict. Vini is a guy who started off slow but then started coming on after the injuries were dealt with. In the end the staff will do whats best for the team.
    He is? I haven't seen either JJ or Reynaud return punts in the NFL yet. How can you make that claim already & how can Kevin already claim Reynaud is 10 times the return man that JJ appears to be?

    If you're basing it off of what he did in college, what their return numbers?

    I don't put to much stock in what was done in college. It's not the pros & we have seen to many players not get the same production they did in college.
    The last time we had a real punt returner was probably Palmer. Ever since then its been musical chairs with the occasional big play from somebody like Moore or Burelson. Reynod being 10 times better than JJ is laughable and a perfect example of going overboard in a disagreement.

    I havn't spent to much time digging into JJ's numbers, although the average on returns is nice. I prefer to watch the actual tape, the real mcoy, the resume. YouTube is loaded with Videos on this guy probably showing a good portion of his punt returns. He looks extremely smooth and talented in his approach to kick returning. Along with those things if you get a chance to here an interview the kid practicly drools over the thought of returning a kick. This type of passion cannot be underestamated. I've been patiently waiting for a pure return man and Childress posibly drafted him this year.

    I agree its never a good idea to base a decision completly off of stats they created in college rather a combination of the actual person, attitude, work ethic, poise, thinking patterns added with the on the field resume. From what i've seen it would be a mistake to let JJ ever hit the waiver wire but we will see what happens. I can see a steady pattern in the way the coaching staff has drafted these kids, there is certain criteria in order to meat the standards. If you don't meat those standards your not playing for this team because you don't meat the standards set in becoming a contributer on the NFL level.
    JJ is a talented PR. Darius is a feared punt returner, Screen, and reverse man. Being in Va i have had alot of chances to see Henderson and Darius play. I don't put much stock in the Sunbelt and returning punts in that conference. BTW, this is coming from a guy that played in the MEAC and for a team that is quickly becoming the NFl's small school for DE's so i understand the level of competition small conferences provide. I am appy to get ends, lbs and even Qb's from small schools. WR's i would try to avoid like the plague.( exclusing TO and Rice of course. The reason I think Darius didn't get drafted was due to his size. He is
    5'9 201 lbs. He is build like a running back. He is stocky and i think teams feared that this would translate poorly to the league. It's clear to me that some mistakes were made this draft like every draft before it. Just because someone was selected ahead of someone else doesn't make them the correct choice. Sometimes players get lost on the board on draft day. It happens so because our CS selected JJ over DR doesn't mean JJ is a better prospect. I belive that if Jj gets placed on the practice squad he may get an offer however, if DR is placed there he will be signed before he takes off his pads.
    JJ Is a talened PR, he's also talented WR, far more than that of Reynaud. I went back and reviewed both prospects and came away with same decision as before.

    Reynaud is a strong guy, a guy with balance, he's elusive and has the speed it takes. I don't see him as a pure WR more like RB that would be a good kick returner. Maurice Hicks will fill that role for us this year. His lower strength does surprise me but he is very short, overall the guy is very athletic but his size does limit him he's not the all around player JJ is.

    JJ is pure WR while being capable of returning kicks or punts. IMO he's got the stride of Berrian with the body control of Sidney Rice. His hands are very solid and makes far more tough grabs and passes down the field than Reynaud. On top of this he's been able to prove he's a serious weapon on specail teams. He's more quick twitch with all the naturaul abilities of a true WR while showing the capability to take reverses to the house. Like Reynaud JJ was skipped on by teams and there's no doubt his size and college had much to do with. IMO it doesn't matter what college you come from, your still playing football at a high level. Tyrell Johnson is a guy from a small college but I couldn't be more happy about the decision to have him ranked higher than the kid from Miami.

    In the end I see Reynaud as more of a specailist compared to JJ who's an overall player that I expect to make an immediate impact at Punt Return and make a very nice WR.

    I can understand your biased opinion because you've been a fan of his, before the draft I knew either of these guys but I agree with the coachings staff that JJ is gonna make the better pro.

    TO and Rice are Hall of Fame WR's I don't think they are excluded, we're talking two of the greatest ever. Small school big school, its all football and you either have the talent to compete at the next level or you don't. Good football players end up on small college teams all time, again Tyrell is a athletic player and he's from a small college. Tarvaris, he has the tools, small college. IMO it would horrible to completly turn your head on small confrences.

    Some mistakes were made? If you were drafting we would have ended up with Ardirus Bowman the pot smoker. I think you should sit back for a second with honesty and evaluate a situation without being biased.

    Again I will agree with the coaching staffs evaluation of two players and who I would have drafted. It won't be long before these decisions are made and berring injury I for see the Jackson State prospect winning the job.

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