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    Re: Why not Take yet another chance on Moss?

    100% agreed, Caine. I mentioned this in another post, but I'll reiterate it here. Moss has done some things he shouldn't have, but the large majority them have been blown out of proportion by the Media, and by pure haters (some of them being both).

    I, for one, would be really happy if Moss gave Minny one more chance, now that that bald, Napoleon-complex having, Major Dad-looking, douche-bottle isn't on the sidelines anymore. I believe Moss could really flourish under Frazier/Musgrave and end his career on a high note.

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    Re: Why not Take yet another chance on Moss?

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1102987
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    He's apparently submitted the paperwork already, but as we know, it doesn't take a lot to get un-retired.
    God, I hope they sign him. Because nothing makes me more pumped for the Vikings than to have petulant WRs on the field who short-arm balls they could catch for TDs, cause disruptions in the locker room and bad mouth the coach to the owner.

    =Z=
    Yeah, I used to be a Moss apologist but I just can't do it anymore, not after his brief stint with the Vikings last season. Guy is a jerk off. Still pretty convinced he's bi-polar.
    Ding, ding, ding.

    That is the winner for today.

    I am almost sure he is bi-polar. My mother (a psychiatrist) said this about three years into his career and I think it seems completely accurate.

    While it may not be exactly bi-polar, he could definitely have something going on. He seems to have such immense ups and downs I almost feel sorry for him ... almost.

    This last stint in Minnesota made me very sad. I thought it was a chance for him to give us 2 or 3 more years, put up average to good numbers and really redeem himself to a fanbase that wants nothing more than to love him.

    And he shit on all of it.
    Whereas I tend to be of the belief that he simply told the truth about the coach.

    I don't feel he failed the fans, he was simply Randy. He wanted to win, and he quickly realized that we weren't being put in a position to do so by the person whose JOB it is to get us ready.

    The ONLY issue I might take with him is blowing up at a caterer...but once you put it into the context of everything else that was wrong with last season, that really is a petty issue.

    In short, I don't think he failed anybody last season. I think Chiller screwed the pooch (again), and Randy took the blame because he's a convenient target.

    Caine
    Exactly.

    If you want to hold it against him that he quit on the Raiders, fine.

    If you want to hold it against him that he quit on one deep route with us last year, fine.

    But to claim he quit on the fans and shit on his opportunity is a tad bit of a stretch.

    Was he a perfectly behaved little boy? No.

    Did he have a positive impact on our offense? Yes.

    Did he maybe call out the coach when he would have been better keeping his mouth shut? Yes, but the end result was Chlly got fired, so I consider the Moss 2.0 a success.

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    Re: Why not Take yet another chance on Moss?

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102989
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1102987
    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1102948
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    He's apparently submitted the paperwork already, but as we know, it doesn't take a lot to get un-retired.
    God, I hope they sign him. Because nothing makes me more pumped for the Vikings than to have petulant WRs on the field who short-arm balls they could catch for TDs, cause disruptions in the locker room and bad mouth the coach to the owner.

    =Z=
    Yeah, I used to be a Moss apologist but I just can't do it anymore, not after his brief stint with the Vikings last season. Guy is a jerk off. Still pretty convinced he's bi-polar.
    Ding, ding, ding.

    That is the winner for today.

    I am almost sure he is bi-polar. My mother (a psychiatrist) said this about three years into his career and I think it seems completely accurate.

    While it may not be exactly bi-polar, he could definitely have something going on. He seems to have such immense ups and downs I almost feel sorry for him ... almost.

    This last stint in Minnesota made me very sad. I thought it was a chance for him to give us 2 or 3 more years, put up average to good numbers and really redeem himself to a fanbase that wants nothing more than to love him.

    And he shit on all of it.
    Whereas I tend to be of the belief that he simply told the truth about the coach.

    I don't feel he failed the fans, he was simply Randy. He wanted to win, and he quickly realized that we weren't being put in a position to do so by the person whose JOB it is to get us ready.

    The ONLY issue I might take with him is blowing up at a caterer...but once you put it into the context of everything else that was wrong with last season, that really is a petty issue.

    In short, I don't think he failed anybody last season. I think Chiller screwed the pooch (again), and Randy took the blame because he's a convenient target.

    Caine
    Exactly.

    If you want to hold it against him that he quit on the Raiders, fine.

    If you want to hold it against him that he quit on one deep route with us last year, fine.

    But to claim he quit on the fans and shit on his opportunity is a tad bit of a stretch.

    Was he a perfectly behaved little boy? No.

    Did he have a positive impact on our offense? Yes.

    Did he maybe call out the coach when he would have been better keeping his mouth shut? Yes, but the end result was Chlly got fired, so I consider the Moss 2.0 a success.
    By being a pout-baby whiney shit, he effectively shits on all of us that wanted 2.0 to be a wonderful experience.

    A PROFESSIONAL does not do what he did with the coach. PERIOD. He could have went to Wilf behind the scenes and kept it to himself.

    He didn't just quit on the ball in New England. He quit on the last play in Green Bay. He clearly was not interested much after the first contest because he didn't like the coach. WAH.

    He quit in Oakland. He quit in Tennessee. And now he is quitting because no good teams want him. WAAAAAAAH.

    I love Moss. Always will. But his entire career goes down as a "what if" and that is all on him ... period. By being disrespectful to teams (like he was to all of them that he played for on multiple occasions) he is disrespectful to those fan bases. Simple as that.

    He could have legitimately challenged Rice. Hell, I am convinced Me-rry Rice stuck around for a few years just to try and keep Moss from his numbers.

    Instead, he pouted. In Minny, in Oakland, in New England, back in Minny, in Tennessee and now all the way to retirement. In the end ... it is all more of a shame than it is greatness.

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    Re: Why not Take yet another chance on Moss?

    looks like the Iggles might


    The Eagles made a contract offer to Randy Moss after the receiver filed his official retirement papers with the league, according to the Boston Herald.
    The Eagles just won't stop. Moss' filing of his retirement papers isn't significant as he can unretire any time he wants. If he is truly intrigued by the Eagles' offer, there's a good chance it will still happen. And based on the way veterans are flocking to Philly to play with Mike Vick, we would no longer be surprised. For what it's worth, two Eagles sources tell the Philadelphia Inquirer that the team never called Moss' agent about signing.

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    Re: Why not Take yet another chance on Moss?

    Why the hell not Philly. It would be a good fit. But with Jackson and Maclin ... he would likely just be pouting by Week 4.

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    Re: Why not Take yet another chance on Moss?

    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103003
    Why the hell not Philly. It would be a good fit. But with Jackson and Maclin ... he would likely just be pouting by Week 4.
    except Jackson is holding out and Maclin is out with some unknown issue. Moss could be their #1 guy on week 1.

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    Re: Why not Take yet another chance on Moss?

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1103004
    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1103003
    Why the hell not Philly. It would be a good fit. But with Jackson and Maclin ... he would likely just be pouting by Week 4.
    except Jackson is holding out and Maclin is out with some unknown issue. Moss could be their #1 guy on week 1.
    Jackson WILL ABSOLUTELY be back before the accrued season deadline. He will be their No. 1 guy on week 1. It is a 100 percent lock. The Maclin issue is curious, but they seem to think he will be there Week 1 as well.
    Jackson will be in camp tomorrow I think. That is when he would start getting fined and he won't let that happen.

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    Re: Why not Take yet another chance on Moss?

    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1102990
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102989
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1102987
    Quote Originally Posted by "midgensa" #1102948
    Quote Originally Posted by "BloodyHorns82" #1102945
    Quote Originally Posted by "Zeus" #1102942
    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1102935
    He's apparently submitted the paperwork already, but as we know, it doesn't take a lot to get un-retired.
    God, I hope they sign him. Because nothing makes me more pumped for the Vikings than to have petulant WRs on the field who short-arm balls they could catch for TDs, cause disruptions in the locker room and bad mouth the coach to the owner.

    =Z=
    Yeah, I used to be a Moss apologist but I just can't do it anymore, not after his brief stint with the Vikings last season. Guy is a jerk off. Still pretty convinced he's bi-polar.
    Ding, ding, ding.

    That is the winner for today.

    I am almost sure he is bi-polar. My mother (a psychiatrist) said this about three years into his career and I think it seems completely accurate.

    While it may not be exactly bi-polar, he could definitely have something going on. He seems to have such immense ups and downs I almost feel sorry for him ... almost.

    This last stint in Minnesota made me very sad. I thought it was a chance for him to give us 2 or 3 more years, put up average to good numbers and really redeem himself to a fanbase that wants nothing more than to love him.

    And he shit on all of it.
    Whereas I tend to be of the belief that he simply told the truth about the coach.

    I don't feel he failed the fans, he was simply Randy. He wanted to win, and he quickly realized that we weren't being put in a position to do so by the person whose JOB it is to get us ready.

    The ONLY issue I might take with him is blowing up at a caterer...but once you put it into the context of everything else that was wrong with last season, that really is a petty issue.

    In short, I don't think he failed anybody last season. I think Chiller screwed the pooch (again), and Randy took the blame because he's a convenient target.

    Caine
    Exactly.

    If you want to hold it against him that he quit on the Raiders, fine.

    If you want to hold it against him that he quit on one deep route with us last year, fine.

    But to claim he quit on the fans and shit on his opportunity is a tad bit of a stretch.

    Was he a perfectly behaved little boy? No.

    Did he have a positive impact on our offense? Yes.

    Did he maybe call out the coach when he would have been better keeping his mouth shut? Yes, but the end result was Chlly got fired, so I consider the Moss 2.0 a success.
    By being a pout-baby whiney shit, he effectively shits on all of us that wanted 2.0 to be a wonderful experience.

    A PROFESSIONAL does not do what he did with the coach. PERIOD. He could have went to Wilf behind the scenes and kept it to himself.

    He didn't just quit on the ball in New England. He quit on the last play in Green Bay. He clearly was not interested much after the first contest because he didn't like the coach. WAH.

    He quit in Oakland. He quit in Tennessee. And now he is quitting because no good teams want him. WAAAAAAAH.

    I love Moss. Always will. But his entire career goes down as a "what if" and that is all on him ... period. By being disrespectful to teams (like he was to all of them that he played for on multiple occasions) he is disrespectful to those fan bases. Simple as that.

    He could have legitimately challenged Rice. Hell, I am convinced Me-rry Rice stuck around for a few years just to try and keep Moss from his numbers.

    Instead, he pouted. In Minny, in Oakland, in New England, back in Minny, in Tennessee and now all the way to retirement. In the end ... it is all more of a shame than it is greatness.
    Except put all of those in context:

    He quit on Oakland after Oakland quit on itself.

    He never quit on Tennessee, he simply wasn't used - and they had one hell of a screwed up locker room.

    He made a comment to Wilf, ALLEGEDLY, in passing, that wasn't even reported on until MUCH later. In short, he didn't stand on a table in the locker room and shout it out - he took an opportunity as it was presented. Was it the BEST call? No. But neither was he wrong.

    Randy has always been very clear about wanting to win. He has also shown that he has little patience for those who don't - or for those who can't seem to figure out how to. He figured out real quick that Chiller didn't have a clue...something that many of us already knew. And when he was MISUSED and IGNORED for 4 weeks, he got frustrated.

    So, he was supposed to simply eat it? Nope. He made it clear taht he was frustrated.

    So, what did the idiot coach do? Did he call Randy in and say, "Randy, we have some issues to sort out"? Nope. Did he say, "Randy, how can we get you more involved"? Nope.

    He cut him.

    Randy didn't shit on the fans, Childress did. Then he wrote Randy's name in the steaming poo, and you believed it.

    Caine

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    Re: Why not Take yet another chance on Moss?

    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1103053
    Except put all of those in context:

    He quit on Oakland after Oakland quit on itself.

    He never quit on Tennessee, he simply wasn't used - and they had one hell of a screwed up locker room.

    He made a comment to Wilf, ALLEGEDLY, in passing, that wasn't even reported on until MUCH later. In short, he didn't stand on a table in the locker room and shout it out - he took an opportunity as it was presented. Was it the BEST call? No. But neither was he wrong.

    Randy has always been very clear about wanting to win. He has also shown that he has little patience for those who don't - or for those who can't seem to figure out how to. He figured out real quick that Chiller didn't have a clue...something that many of us already knew. And when he was MISUSED and IGNORED for 4 weeks, he got frustrated.

    So, he was supposed to simply eat it? Nope. He made it clear taht he was frustrated.

    So, what did the idiot coach do? Did he call Randy in and say, "Randy, we have some issues to sort out"? Nope. Did he say, "Randy, how can we get you more involved"? Nope.

    He cut him.

    Randy didn't shit on the fans, Childress did. Then he wrote Randy's name in the steaming poo, and you believed it.

    Caine
    Wow, and you say I'm a guy who comes up with wild stuff that goes quickly out of the realm of reality.

    Couple of questions.....

    1. How many teams actually pursued Moss last year?

    2. How many teams actually pursued Moss this year?

    Face it my friend, he was a great player, arguably one of the best, but he just isn't a threat anymore. Thats why teams haven't fell all over them selves trying to sign him.

    He wanted to go to a couple of select teams and when they didn't return the love, he did what Randy always does, takes his ball and goes home.

    On a side note, I found all the discussions that have been held over the last few days about his place in Canton very interesting especially the ones that put him and TO up as candidates.

    I was suprised to see that TO's numbers were pretty comparable.
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    Re: Why not Take yet another chance on Moss?

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1103084
    Quote Originally Posted by "Caine" #1103053
    Except put all of those in context:

    He quit on Oakland after Oakland quit on itself.

    He never quit on Tennessee, he simply wasn't used - and they had one hell of a screwed up locker room.

    He made a comment to Wilf, ALLEGEDLY, in passing, that wasn't even reported on until MUCH later. In short, he didn't stand on a table in the locker room and shout it out - he took an opportunity as it was presented. Was it the BEST call? No. But neither was he wrong.

    Randy has always been very clear about wanting to win. He has also shown that he has little patience for those who don't - or for those who can't seem to figure out how to. He figured out real quick that Chiller didn't have a clue...something that many of us already knew. And when he was MISUSED and IGNORED for 4 weeks, he got frustrated.

    So, he was supposed to simply eat it? Nope. He made it clear taht he was frustrated.

    So, what did the idiot coach do? Did he call Randy in and say, "Randy, we have some issues to sort out"? Nope. Did he say, "Randy, how can we get you more involved"? Nope.

    He cut him.

    Randy didn't shit on the fans, Childress did. Then he wrote Randy's name in the steaming poo, and you believed it.

    Caine
    Wow, and you say I'm a guy who comes up with wild stuff that goes quickly out of the realm of reality.

    Couple of questions.....

    1. How many teams actually pursued Moss last year?

    2. How many teams actually pursued Moss this year?

    Face it my friend, he was a great player, arguably one of the best, but he just isn't a threat anymore. Thats why teams haven't fell all over them selves trying to sign him.

    He wanted to go to a couple of select teams and when they didn't return the love, he did what Randy always does, takes his ball and goes home.

    On a side note, I found all the discussions that have been held over the last few days about his place in Canton very interesting especially the ones that put him and TO up as candidates.

    I was suprised to see that TO's numbers were pretty comparable.
    Now we're using the "how many teams pursued him" criteria?

    How many teams persued Jackson?

    Oh...wait....we can't use that here. We can only use that to determine Randy's worth.

    Hmmmm...how many teams drafted him in the 1st round? 21 of them let him slide....

    How many teams drafted Rodgers?

    Just because teams don't pursue someone doesn't make that person less valuable (ask Tom Brady).

    According to statements released by his agent, there have been quite a few teams making offers...he just hasn't been significantly interested.

    But he's probably lying, right? Zygi Wilf made him say that....

    Caine

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