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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Have we?
    We've drafted a cb ever year for a long time. Not so for Wr.
    2008 was the last time we didnt draft a cb. before that it was 2006.
    They keep missing when selecting corners. So they keep picking them. If Winfield doesn't return they will probably take another corner this year. There is still a need at corner, they just have to select the right one for a change.
    I also agree with your opinion, there is still a need at safety, just as I think we need an upgrade at guard. However there are far more acute needs for this season.
    I also believe a rookie MLB can and will start for this team, and play well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Have we?
    We've drafted a cb ever year for a long time. Not so for Wr.
    2008 was the last time we didnt draft a cb. before that it was 2006.
    Since 2008 we have drafted 5 WR's( technically 6 as Webb was drafted as a WR and changed to QB in camp)

    Since 2008 we have drafted 4 CB's.




    2008
    1. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Kansas City for DE Jared Allen.
    2. ..... TYRELL JOHNSON (43), S, Arkansas State.
    3. ..... (A) NO CHOICE. Traded to Kansas City for DE Jared Allen.
    3. ..... (B) NO CHOICE. Traded to Kansas City for DE Jared Allen.
    4. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Philadelphia in exchange of draft picks.
    5. ..... (A) JOHN DAVID BOOTY (137), QB, Southern California. Choice from Green Bay in exchange of draft picks.
    5. ..... (B) LETROY GUION (152), DT, Florida State. Choice from Philadelphia in exchange of draft picks.
    6. ..... (A) JOHN SULLIVAN (187), C, Notre Dame. Choice from Kansas City in exchange of drat picks.
    6. ..... (B) JAYMAR JOHNSON (193), WR, Jackson State. Choice from Jacksonville in Troy Williamson trade.
    7. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Green Bay in exchange of draft picks.
    2009
    1. ..... PERCY HARVIN (22), WR, Florida.
    2. ..... PHIL LOADHOLT (54), OT, Oklahoma.
    3. ..... ASHER ALLEN (86), CB, Georgia.
    4. ..... NO CHOICE
    5. ..... JASPER BRINKLEY (150), LB, South Carolina.
    6. ..... NO CHOICE
    7. ..... JAMARCA SANFORD (231), FS, Mississippi.
    2010
    1. ..... NO CHOICE
    2. ..... CHRIS COOK (34), CB, Virginia
    2. ..... TOBY GERHART (51), RB, Stanford
    3. ..... NO CHOICE
    4. ..... EVERSON GRIFFEN (100), DE, Southern Cal
    5. ..... CHRIS DEGEARE (161), OT, Wake Forrest
    5. ..... NATE TRIPLETT (167), LB, Minnesota
    6. ..... JOE WEBB (199), QB, UAB
    7. ..... MICKEY SHULER (214), TE, Penn State
    7. ..... RYAN D'IMPERIO (237), LB, Rutgers
    2011
    1. ..... CHRISTIAN PONDER (12), QB, Florida State
    2. ..... KYLE RUDOLPH (43), TE, Notre Dame
    3. ..... NO CHOICE
    4. ..... CHRISTIAN BALLARD (106), DL, Iowa
    5. ..... BRANDON BURTON (139), CB, Utah
    6. ..... DEMARCUS LOVE (168), OL, Arkansas
    6. ..... MISTRAL RAYMOND (170), DB, South Flordia
    6. ..... BRANDON FUSCO (172), OL, Slippery Rock
    6. ..... ROSS HOMAN (200), LB, Ohio State
    7. ..... D'AUNDRE REED (215), DL, Arizona
    7. ..... STEPHEN BURTON (236), WR, West Texas A&M
    2012

    1. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Cleveland in exchange of draft picks.
    1. ..... (B) MATT KALIL (4), T, USC. Choice from Cleveland for 1A.
    1. ..... (C) HARRISON SMITH (29), S, Notre Dame. Choice from Baltimore for 2 and 4A.
    2. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Baltimore for 1C
    3. ..... JOSH ROBINSON (66), CB, Central Florida
    4. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Baltimore for 1C
    4. ..... (B) JARIUS WRIGHT (118), WR, Arkansas. Choice from Cleveland for 1A.
    4. ..... (C) RHETT ELLISON (128), TE, USC. Compensatory Selection.
    4. ..... (D) GREG CHILDS, (134), WR, Arkansas. Compensatory Selection.
    5. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Detroit for 7C and 4th in 13
    5...... (B) ROBERT BLANTON (139), DB, Notre Dame. Choice from Cleveland for 1A.
    6. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Washington for D. McNabb
    6. ..... (B) BLAIR WALSH (175), K, Georgia. Choice from Cleveland in the Jayme Mitchell trade.
    7. ..... (A) AUDIE COLE (210), LB, NC State
    7. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Tennessee for 6th in 13. Choice from Cleveland for 1A.
    7. ..... (C) TREVOR GUYTON (219), DL, California. Choice from Detroit for 5A.
    7. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Detroit for 5A and 4th in 13. Choice from New England in the Randy Moss trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    Who the hell knows when the team will find the right guy. It will happen when it happens and until then they will do the best they can with what they have.
    ... And continue to be mediocre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    The problem wasn't defense last year. It was offense. I am tired of dumping high draft pick after high draft pick on CBs. After a while you have to let your young talent develop and not bury them on the depth chart.

    We have Cook, Robinson, AJ Jefferson and Blankton. How is adding another young corner going to make us better at this point. Personally, I would like to add a playmaking safety. I know Sanford and Raymond played well but adding a Reid play with smith, would be amazing. Also this draft is weak at corner.
    If you actually read the post before posting yourself, you can see I was talking about free agency. Doesn't mean drafting a corner at 23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Floyd View Post
    Since 2008 we have drafted 5 WR's( technically 6 as Webb was drafted as a WR and changed to QB in camp)

    Since 2008 we have drafted 4 CB's.





    2008
    1. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Kansas City for DE Jared Allen.
    2. ..... TYRELL JOHNSON (43), S, Arkansas State.
    3. ..... (A) NO CHOICE. Traded to Kansas City for DE Jared Allen.
    3. ..... (B) NO CHOICE. Traded to Kansas City for DE Jared Allen.
    4. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Philadelphia in exchange of draft picks.
    5. ..... (A) JOHN DAVID BOOTY (137), QB, Southern California. Choice from Green Bay in exchange of draft picks.
    5. ..... (B) LETROY GUION (152), DT, Florida State. Choice from Philadelphia in exchange of draft picks.
    6. ..... (A) JOHN SULLIVAN (187), C, Notre Dame. Choice from Kansas City in exchange of drat picks.
    6. ..... (B) JAYMAR JOHNSON (193), WR, Jackson State. Choice from Jacksonville in Troy Williamson trade.
    7. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Green Bay in exchange of draft picks.
    2009
    1. ..... PERCY HARVIN (22), WR, Florida.
    2. ..... PHIL LOADHOLT (54), OT, Oklahoma.
    3. ..... ASHER ALLEN (86), CB, Georgia.
    4. ..... NO CHOICE
    5. ..... JASPER BRINKLEY (150), LB, South Carolina.
    6. ..... NO CHOICE
    7. ..... JAMARCA SANFORD (231), FS, Mississippi.
    2010
    1. ..... NO CHOICE
    2. ..... CHRIS COOK (34), CB, Virginia
    2. ..... TOBY GERHART (51), RB, Stanford
    3. ..... NO CHOICE
    4. ..... EVERSON GRIFFEN (100), DE, Southern Cal
    5. ..... CHRIS DEGEARE (161), OT, Wake Forrest
    5. ..... NATE TRIPLETT (167), LB, Minnesota
    6. ..... JOE WEBB (199), QB, UAB
    7. ..... MICKEY SHULER (214), TE, Penn State
    7. ..... RYAN D'IMPERIO (237), LB, Rutgers
    2011
    1. ..... CHRISTIAN PONDER (12), QB, Florida State
    2. ..... KYLE RUDOLPH (43), TE, Notre Dame
    3. ..... NO CHOICE
    4. ..... CHRISTIAN BALLARD (106), DL, Iowa
    5. ..... BRANDON BURTON (139), CB, Utah
    6. ..... DEMARCUS LOVE (168), OL, Arkansas
    6. ..... MISTRAL RAYMOND (170), DB, South Flordia
    6. ..... BRANDON FUSCO (172), OL, Slippery Rock
    6. ..... ROSS HOMAN (200), LB, Ohio State
    7. ..... D'AUNDRE REED (215), DL, Arizona
    7. ..... STEPHEN BURTON (236), WR, West Texas A&M
    2012

    1. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Cleveland in exchange of draft picks.
    1. ..... (B) MATT KALIL (4), T, USC. Choice from Cleveland for 1A.
    1. ..... (C) HARRISON SMITH (29), S, Notre Dame. Choice from Baltimore for 2 and 4A.
    2. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Baltimore for 1C
    3. ..... JOSH ROBINSON (66), CB, Central Florida
    4. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Baltimore for 1C
    4. ..... (B) JARIUS WRIGHT (118), WR, Arkansas. Choice from Cleveland for 1A.
    4. ..... (C) RHETT ELLISON (128), TE, USC. Compensatory Selection.
    4. ..... (D) GREG CHILDS, (134), WR, Arkansas. Compensatory Selection.
    5. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Detroit for 7C and 4th in 13
    5...... (B) ROBERT BLANTON (139), DB, Notre Dame. Choice from Cleveland for 1A.
    6. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Washington for D. McNabb
    6. ..... (B) BLAIR WALSH (175), K, Georgia. Choice from Cleveland in the Jayme Mitchell trade.
    7. ..... (A) AUDIE COLE (210), LB, NC State
    7. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Tennessee for 6th in 13. Choice from Cleveland for 1A.
    7. ..... (C) TREVOR GUYTON (219), DL, California. Choice from Detroit for 5A.
    7. ..... NO CHOICE. Traded to Detroit for 5A and 4th in 13. Choice from New England in the Randy Moss trade.
    I said high picks... Besides percy... our next highest pick was in the 4th rounds last year.
    Look at CB. High picks wasted. Go past 2008, Marcus Mac, Ced Griffen etc.
    WR has been pretty much delegraded to the dregs of the WR pool.
    Last edited by kevoncox; 03-27-2013 at 12:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    I think you guys are underplaying how well Brinkley played last year. He played so well in fact, the play calling was moved from Henderson to him during Henderson's injury and was not returned well after his returned. There were a couple of times where he was beaten with an fantastic throw over the middle and inbetween the safeties... Well so what? That's football! Just like another team can be lined up perfectly to stop Peterson and he makes a move and takes it to the house, there are some amazing Qbs that will make a throw that beats a defenses in place to stop them. Teo this season will not be an upgrade to Brinkley. In fact I see their talent levels as very similar!
    I'm not underplaying him at all, in fact I wanted to have him resigned & keep him on the roster. If they wanted to find someone even better, then trying finding that guy while Brinkley is still here. Now we have an unknown/unproven player that's going to be starting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    Personally, I would like to add a playmaking safety. I know Sanford and Raymond played well but adding a Reid play with smith, would be amazing. Also this draft is weak at corner.
    That's OK because we play cover 2 & need a weak-side CB. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    I said high picks... Besides percy... our next highest pick was in the 4th rounds last year.
    Look at CB. High picks wasted. Go past 2008, Marcus Mac, Ced Griffen etc.
    WR has been pretty much delegraded to the dregs of the WR pool.
    I don't really see what you are saying. Neither CB or WR have really been addressed in the early rounds. Harvin was a first round pick in 2009 and Cook was a very early second round pick in 2010. Both were successful picks IMHO.

    Other than that we had Asher Allen and Josh Robinson picked in the third. Allen didn't pan out, and it's still early for Robinson, but he is looking decent. On the flip side, we had Wright and Childs in the 4th. Childs doesn't look like he is going to turn out, and it's still early for Wright, but he is looking decent.

    So in the first two rounds we have spent the same number of picks in each position (1 each) and both have worked out well. In the third and forth rounds we have spent the same number of picks in each position (2 each) and they are hitting around 50%.

    I see the need to address both early in the draft this year.
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    When are you going to realize that picking out the 20 bad throws this year and ignoring the 300 good ones does not make your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevoncox View Post
    I said high picks... Besides percy... our next highest pick was in the 4th rounds last year.
    Look at CB. High picks wasted. Go past 2008, Marcus Mac, Ced Griffen etc.
    WR has been pretty much delegraded to the dregs of the WR pool.
    No you didn't. You said:

    Originally Posted by kevoncox
    Have we?
    We've drafted a cb ever year for a long time. Not so for Wr.
    2008 was the last time we didnt draft a cb. before that it was 2006.
    Well, we could have picked a WR as high in the draft last year as we wanted but we took a OL instead. Seems at the time everyone said that bringing in Kalil would give Ponder and the WR's more time and they would look better. I could dig it up. Bit I digress- We have taken as many CB's at roughly the same spots as we have taken WR's. If we go back as you say we can go back to 98 and look at Moss, 2005 and look at Williamson and then show me a CB that was taken in the past 15 years as high as Moss, Williamson and Harvin. When you do your research get back to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NodakPaul View Post
    I don't really see what you are saying. Neither CB or WR have really been addressed in the early rounds. Harvin was a first round pick in 2009 and Cook was a very early second round pick in 2010. Both were successful picks IMHO.

    Other than that we had Asher Allen and Josh Robinson picked in the third. Allen didn't pan out, and it's still early for Robinson, but he is looking decent. On the flip side, we had Wright and Childs in the 4th. Childs doesn't look like he is going to turn out, and it's still early for Wright, but he is looking decent.

    So in the first two rounds we have spent the same number of picks in each position (1 each) and both have worked out well. In the third and forth rounds we have spent the same number of picks in each position (2 each) and they are hitting around 50%.

    I see the need to address both early in the draft this year.
    Don't even try to bring facts and common sense into this pizzing match. There is no place for it.

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