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    Re: Why is everyone so down

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    Well sorry to say that we are probably going to finish middle of the pack. So you might as well start feeling sad too.

    A high draft pick doesn't = a good draft pick always
    Definatley not enough to justify having to watch crappy football when you know your team is better, and NEVER EVER justify losing on purpose (which you didnt suggest) if anyone ever does that they should be banned from the NFL for life.
    Randy Moss' Stats for his first two seasons. He was a #21 overall draft pick.

    149 Receptions, 2726 yards, 28 Touchdowns, 46 receptions of 20 or more yards, 24 receptions of 40 or more yards, 103 first downs.

    Here is Troy Williamson's stats for his first year and a half combined. #7 overall draft pick.

    49 receptions 694 yards, 2 Touchdowns, 10 receptions of 20 or more yards, 3 receptions of 40 or more yards, 34 first downs.

    Moss more than tripled his production in every stat in only 25% more time, and was picked at a spot 3 times as high. And Troy is lucky drops isn't a stat on NFL.com, or else there would be another stat Moss dominated him in, by probably 20 times.


    We don't need a new receiver, we need an old one back. No one on this site can say that it was a good trade anymore.




    Randy had a better situation than Troy walked into!




    Randy 1998

    Cris Carter and Jake Reed where 1 and 2 to start the season so there really wasn't a ton of pressure on Randy to be the star.

    Had the best o-line in football that year and Cunningham had outstanding season when he replaced Brad Johnson who got hurt at the start of the season.

    Had Dennis Green as his headcoach and Brian Billick as his O-coordinator.

    Had Robert Smith coming out of the backfield to make defenses cheat up to try and stop him.




    Troy 2005

    No number 1 receiver to start the season, Koren slowly worked his way to that position. Expectation were really high for Troy to take Randy's place and he had a lot of pressure put on him.

    O-line decimated by injuries to Birk, Rosenthal and Tice being to stupid to bring Dixon to camp.

    Onterrio Smith suspended for the season because of drug use.

    Daunte spazzed out at the start of the season and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, and then he had a new QB 1/2 way through the season, even tho Brad filled in Ok for Daunte after he got hurt.

    Had meat-head Tice as his head coach and Steve Loney (O-line coach) as his O-coordinator.




    Troy in 2005 didn't have all the advantages that Randy did in 1998, and we are lucky Troy didn't quit and run away like Underwood did.
    Ok, even if his situation was better, 4 times the yards, 8-9 times the amount of touchdowns, 1/3 of the receptions.... a mediocre situation is no excuse for talent, if you get drafted at #7, and have 4.3 speed you're expected to make an impact, and he hasn't.

    Say what you want, but you and I both know you would rather have Randy Moss on this team than Troy Williamson.

    Your stats were for 1 and 1/2 years lets add the other quarter and fill out a 2 year projection.

    Troy Williamson 1st 2 years using what he has done so far, plus another third.

    65 receptions
    923 yards
    3 TD's
    13 receptions over 20 yards
    4 receptions over 40 yards
    45 1st downs


    Lets take a look at another receiver that did not have a great 1st 2 years

    Steve Smith 2001 & 2002 season

    64 receptions
    1008 yards receiving
    3 TD's
    20 over 20 yards
    4 over 40 yards
    41 1st downs


    pretty similar!



    Now lets compare 2005 for Randy Moss and Steve Smith!


    Steve Smith
    107 receptions
    1,563 yards receiving
    12 TD's
    22 over 20 yards
    7 over 40 yards
    70 1st downs


    Randy Moss
    60 receptions
    1005 yards receiving
    15 over 20 yards
    4 over 40 yards
    46 1st downs



    And if I remember right Steve Smith was dropping balls left and right and the fans didn't like him much, do you think they have changed their minds?


    By the way Randy is having statistically a worse season in 2006 than he did in 2005!
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

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    Re: Why is everyone so down

    You Heard It Here First!!!

    Troy Williamson is the next Steve Smith!!



    I know, j/k & all that

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    Re: Why is everyone so down

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    You Heard It Here First!!!

    Troy Williamson is the next Steve Smith!!



    I know, j/k & all that


    Not what I said or meant, what I was trying to express is that not all great wide receivers start out that way.


    Troy could be a bust, or he could come into his own and become a good receiver.
    What we've got here is failure to communicate.

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    Why is everyone so down ? Such is life as a Viking fan. Not everyone is as down as you may think. For some folks,4-4 at the halfway point seemed to be a stretch , myself included. If the offense can muster any points at all , the second half of the season could be better. 9-7 or better is not unthinkable.However,9-9 would be impossible.

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    I agree completley. Jerry Rice was dropping passes his first two seasons. In fact, the fans booed him when he got announced at the beginning of the game on several occasions. Troy is feeling the pressure and it may be even a whole nother year until he gets into form. Believe me I am super pissed about the drops and screamed for him to be cut, but when I sit back and think and look at others who have been in similar situations, I realize it will take time. This is the same reason why TJ shouldn't start.
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    Every one keeps talking so down about what is happening with the vikes. Why??? I'm loving the fact that we are losing. This team needs offense and needs it bad. Finishing 8-8 or 9-9 is going to do nothing to help this offense. finishing in the middle of the pack has plagued us for years.When a team is stuck in the middle
    of the pack during the draft you get OK talent( unless someone falls) and never really get better. So the next year again middle of the pack. The vikes have been there for years. Next year a top five pick and we can start all over with this franchise. Clavin Johnson is the future, the game breaker we need. If anyone refers to Twill because we picked #7, just look at who was picking and what was available. I stand by the fact that we should have taken Derrick Johnson or we could have had Merriman.
    1st of all you are crazy for saying you're happy we're losing. 2nd of all how could we finish 9-9? Unless you are saying we will make the playoffs at 8-8 (not going to happen) and then win 1 and lose 1 in the playoffs.
    Overall, a weird post.
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