Thread: Why don't we?

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

Because I think teams fear him more out of the backfield whether he is running the ball or coming out on a screen.

But then our Qb won't be as pressured because defender won't be flying to the line. Moving him out into the slot will force the defense to check off. We will still get blitzed but dfenders will be more focused on a target that is now further away from the QB, giving Gus room to throw.

That's a WR's job.
Maybe if they would step up and actually catch the ball thrown their way more consistanlty, we could run better.
All Defenders are not going to be focused on 1 player.
They will still blitz and hammer our QB.

Did Hampton do this?
;D

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

Because I think teams fear him more out of the backfield whether he is running the ball or coming out on a screen.

But then our Qb won't be as pressured because defender won't be flying to the line. Moving him out into the slot will force the defense to check off. We will still get blitzed but dfenders will be more focused on a target that is now further away from the QB, giving Gus room to throw.

That's a WR's job.
Maybe if they would step up and actually catch the ball thrown their way more consistanlty, we could run better.
All Defenders are not going to be focused on 1 player.
They will still blitz and hammer our QB.

Did Hampton do this?

;D

with AP in the slot that would take a linebacker or safety to go cover him which will open up the middle of the field

"vikings4life33" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

Because I think teams fear him more out of the backfield whether he is running the ball or coming out on a screen.

But then our Qb won't be as pressured because defender won't be flying to the line. Moving him out into the slot will force the defense to check off. We will still get blitzed but dfenders will be more focused on a target that is now further away from the QB, giving Gus room to throw.

That's a WR's job.
Maybe if they would step up and actually catch the ball thrown their way more consistanlty, we could run better.
All Defenders are not going to be focused on 1 player.
They will still blitz and hammer our QB.

Did Hampton do this?

;D

with AP in the slot that would take a linebacker or safety to go cover him which will open up the middle of the field

But AD (it's All Day, not AP) in the backfield the entire Defense has to be weighing the possibility of a run.
He is more dangerous as a back out of the backfield; running or coming out on a pass play.
Play action is what we need to use more with him, not splitting him out wide or in the slot.
Yes, occasionally we could mix it up for a play or 2.
But lets not kid ourselves.
Football is a little more complex than just scripting new schemes 1/4 of the way through the season.

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"vikings4life33" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

Because I think teams fear him more out of the backfield whether he is running the ball or coming out on a screen.

But then our Qb won't be as pressured because defender won't be flying to the line. Moving him out into the slot will force the defense to check off. We will still get blitzed but dfenders will be more focused on a target that is now further away from the QB, giving Gus room to throw.

That's a WR's job.
Maybe if they would step up and actually catch the ball thrown their way more consistanlty, we could run better.
All Defenders are not going to be focused on 1 player.
They will still blitz and hammer our QB.

Did Hampton do this?

;D

with AP in the slot that would take a linebacker or safety to go cover him which will open up the middle of the field

But AD (it's All Day, not AP) in the backfield the entire Defense has to be weighing the possibility of a run.
He is more dangerous as a back out of the backfield; running or coming out on a pass play.
Play action is what we need to use more with him, not splitting him out wide or in the slot.
Yes, occasionally we could mix it up for a play or 2.
But lets not kid ourselves.
Football is a little more complex than just scripting new schemes 1/4 of the way through the season.

Calling him AP is acceptable.. AD is his true nickname, but AP is just fine

And he isn't the greatest catcher and im not sure how his route running would be so putting him in the slot might not work how some people think

And I totally agree we need more play action.. Gus needs to sell it more when we do use it

Good question but in the end I agree with Ultra. I would rather have the WRs step up and demand extra attention than move AD around. We have frequently used Shank and Mills in the slot. If they were worth pooh they would take that safety or LB out of the box like some want.

In the end, moving AD around won't help our offense as much as WRs with sticky hands.

"V4L" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"vikings4life33" wrote:

"ultravikingfan" wrote:

"kevoncox" wrote:

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Because I think teams fear him more out of the backfield whether he is running the ball or coming out on a screen.

But then our Qb won't be as pressured because defender won't be flying to the line. Moving him out into the slot will force the defense to check off. We will still get blitzed but dfenders will be more focused on a target that is now further away from the QB, giving Gus room to throw.

That's a WR's job.
Maybe if they would step up and actually catch the ball thrown their way more consistanlty, we could run better.
All Defenders are not going to be focused on 1 player.
They will still blitz and hammer our QB.

Did Hampton do this?

;D

with AP in the slot that would take a linebacker or safety to go cover him which will open up the middle of the field

But AD (it's All Day, not AP) in the backfield the entire Defense has to be weighing the possibility of a run.
He is more dangerous as a back out of the backfield; running or coming out on a pass play.
Play action is what we need to use more with him, not splitting him out wide or in the slot.
Yes, occasionally we could mix it up for a play or 2.
But lets not kid ourselves.
Football is a little more complex than just scripting new schemes 1/4 of the way through the season.

Calling him AP is acceptable.. AD is his true nickname, but AP is just fine

And he isn't the greatest catcher and im not sure how his route running would be so putting him in the slot might not work how some people think

And I totally agree we need more play action.. Gus needs to sell it more when we do use it


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I want to see a play action pass! Would it kill to see some play action, and then go deep to BB? I mean... They are putting 8 or 9 in the box! We should be able to pass so easily now!

Peterson's is a poor pass catcher, probably bad route runner too. Just look at the easy pass Peterson AP dropped against NO.

Vikes have tried to run several screens, but they all blew up.
I don't know if it's because the Vikes can't sell it, or teams have a spy on Peterson.

Peterson hasn't done well on the swing passes either.
He's best when he has a little steam N and S to make cuts.

I would like a wacky play ala Dolphins, I'm not sure it's legal.
Put in Jackson at QB undercenter with Peterson behind.
Put Jackson in motion to the left, then have Jackson reverse field to the right as the ball is hiked.
Then the Vikes can: Let Peterson run it, hand it off to Jackson and let him run it, or Jackson can pull up and pass.

Even if it fails, the defense will be guessing and the players will have some fun.

If I remember right one of his first TD's was a screen pass that went for about 60 yards. He caught the ball pretty good on that one.

The real problem is that teams are still and will continue to stack 8-10 guys within 5 yards of the LOS until we can show that we are going to consistently make them pay for doing it. Whether he is getting a handoff or a screen pass he is not going anywhere with that many guys crowding the line.

When we get to the point where we have WR's that can run the intermediate do deep routes and connect with Gus every time they put that many guys close to the line none of that is going to change.

Once we do start making teams pay every time they stack the line then they will stop doing it and all of the screens and running lanes will open up and he will start making big gains again.

OK....so with that many guys in the box, why dont we line him up in the slot....like Reggie Bush

take some guys out of the box, and give another look to our offense

To be honest though, I cannot speak to AD route running or where he is most comfortable.
A truly great athlete will adapt though and make plays.

"UffDaVikes" wrote:

If I remember right one of his first TD's was a screen pass that went for about 60 yards. He caught the ball pretty good on that one.

The real problem is that teams are still and will continue to stack 8-10 guys within 5 yards of the LOS until we can show that we are going to consistently make them pay for doing it. Whether he is getting a handoff or a screen pass he is not going anywhere with that many guys crowding the line.

When we get to the point where we have WR's that can run the intermediate do deep routes and connect with Gus every time they put that many guys close to the line none of that is going to change.

Once we do start making teams pay every time they stack the line then they will stop doing it and all of the screens and running lanes will open up and he will start making big gains again.

no he didn't he almost dropped it

watch for yourself, TJ gave him an almost perfect pass, and he just about dropped it

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heres' another view, near the beginning
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