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    Re: Why a casino financed stadium won't work

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    I don't think the NFL can dictate where the state portion comes from. Minneapolis could build the casino take that revenue and stick it into highway maintenance and then use the highway money to build a stadium. I don't think the vikings would have any ownership over the casino. Personally I'm not sure the state should support casinos at all, gambling leads to crime, and poverty. Many lives have been ruined because of gambling.
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    Re: Why a casino financed stadium won't work







    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7D81730F930A1575AC0A9659582 60

    Commissioner Paul Tagliabue did not seem concerned about Connelly's background.

    "I can't say it's a problem," he said, "because we don't know the investor. I did say relative to playing the Super Bowl in New Orleans that legalized gambling doesn't pose a problem to the league. We're concerned with point-spread gambling."

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    Re: Why a casino financed stadium won't work

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    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7D81730F930A1575AC0A9659582 60

    Commissioner Paul Tagliabue did not seem concerned about Connelly's background.

    "I can't say it's a problem," he said, "because we don't know the investor. I did say relative to playing the Super Bowl in New Orleans that legalized gambling doesn't pose a problem to the league. We're concerned with point-spread gambling."
    That was 15 years ago, and I believe before these rules were put in place to distance the NFl from gambling.
    And for the record, the St Louis bid for an expansion franchise failed largely in part due to Connelly's involvement.
    The franchises went to Carolina and Jacksonville instead, with a unanimous vote by the owners, exactly one month after Connelly's investment was announced.
    Prior to that, St Louis had been the front runner.

    The league and owners simply do not want to be associated with gambling.
    Heck, there were rumblings in league circles last year simply because a casino was being constructed across the interstate from the Edward Jones Dome in St Louis.
    Can you imaging the uproar is casino money was used to build a stadium?
    Or was even just attached to it?
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    Re: Why a casino financed stadium won't work

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:






    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7D81730F930A1575AC0A9659582 60

    Commissioner Paul Tagliabue did not seem concerned about Connelly's background.

    "I can't say it's a problem," he said, "because we don't know the investor. I did say relative to playing the Super Bowl in New Orleans that legalized gambling doesn't pose a problem to the league. We're concerned with point-spread gambling."
    That was 15 years ago, and I believe before these rules were put in place to distance the NFl from gambling.
    And for the record, the St Louis bid for an expansion franchise failed largely in part due to Connelly's involvement.
    The franchises went to Carolina and Jacksonville instead, with a unanimous vote by the owners, exactly one month after Connelly's investment was announced.
    Prior to that, St Louis had been the front runner.

    The league and owners simply do not want to be associated with gambling.
    Heck, there were rumblings in league circles last year simply because a casino was being constructed across the interstate from the Edward Jones Dome in St Louis.
    Can you imaging the uproar is casino money was used to build a stadium?
    Or was even just attached to it?
    I agree, but I also think jmcdon00 brought up a good point that as long as the money was filtering through the state (for the state's portion), the NFL probably wouldn't have much say in it.

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    Re: Why a casino financed stadium won't work

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    "UffDaVikes" wrote:






    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE7D81730F930A1575AC0A9659582 60

    Commissioner Paul Tagliabue did not seem concerned about Connelly's background.

    "I can't say it's a problem," he said, "because we don't know the investor. I did say relative to playing the Super Bowl in New Orleans that legalized gambling doesn't pose a problem to the league. We're concerned with point-spread gambling."
    That was 15 years ago, and I believe before these rules were put in place to distance the NFl from gambling.
    And for the record, the St Louis bid for an expansion franchise failed largely in part due to Connelly's involvement.
    The franchises went to Carolina and Jacksonville instead, with a unanimous vote by the owners, exactly one month after Connelly's investment was announced.
    Prior to that, St Louis had been the front runner.

    The league and owners simply do not want to be associated with gambling.
    Heck, there were rumblings in league circles last year simply because a casino was being constructed across the interstate from the Edward Jones Dome in St Louis.
    Can you imaging the uproar is casino money was used to build a stadium?
    Or was even just attached to it?
    IMO it depends on the type of gambling. If it is poker, slots etc I don't think there would be a problem. Where the league gets concerned is when there is betting on events like sports etc. That is a whole different animal and something we don't do here and wouldn't do in this situation. Yes, if we had Vegas style gambling on games it would be a problem but the league shouldn't
    care if somebody is playing slots.

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    Re: Why a casino financed stadium won't work

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    I don't think the NFL can dictate where the state portion comes from. Minneapolis could build the casino take that revenue and stick it into highway maintenance and then use the highway money to build a stadium. I don't think the vikings would have any ownership over the casino. Personally I'm not sure the state should support casinos at all, gambling leads to crime, and poverty. Many lives have been ruined because of gambling.
    Yeah, but we already have casinos here.
    The areas these many casinos are built in aren't known for high crime rates or poverty...those two items are rampent in Minneapolis though where there are no casinos.
    I see your point, and I'm not really against it but there is a reason that up until now gambling has been illegal here(except for the lottery and the indians(who aren't subject to state gambling laws)), and in many other states. I've done tax returns for people that clearly have gambling problems and are in the poor house because of it(mostly elderly who don't work go to spend there social security checks). I mean if the state is going to profit off of gambling what's next, the state might as well just profit off of ciggarettes to balance the budget, wait they already did that.
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    Re: Why a casino financed stadium won't work

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
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    I don't think the NFL can dictate where the state portion comes from. Minneapolis could build the casino take that revenue and stick it into highway maintenance and then use the highway money to build a stadium. I don't think the vikings would have any ownership over the casino. Personally I'm not sure the state should support casinos at all, gambling leads to crime, and poverty. Many lives have been ruined because of gambling.
    Yeah, but we already have casinos here.
    The areas these many casinos are built in aren't known for high crime rates or poverty...those two items are rampent in Minneapolis though where there are no casinos.
    I see your point, and I'm not really against it but there is a reason that up until now gambling has been illegal here(except for the lottery and the indians(who aren't subject to state gambling laws)), and in many other states. I've done tax returns for people that clearly have gambling problems and are in the poor house because of it(mostly elderly who don't work go to spend there social security checks). I mean if the state is going to profit off of gambling what's next, the state might as well just profit off of ciggarettes to balance the budget, wait they already did that.
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    Or alcohol?
    State governments always profit of sin tax...why not profit off of a different 'sin'?
    The only negative I see is that we'll be violating yet another agreement with the native americans....or would we?


    If grandma wants to go gamble her SS check away she is going to do it.
    The people you do taxes for don't even live near a casino which proves that as long as there are casinos around people will go no matter the distance (within reason of course).
    Might as well stick one in there backyard...at least then they are saving on gas.
    Sounds to me like they gamble their whole check away anyways.
    Might as well give it back to the government, albeit state government.

    I mean we already have how many casinos running in the state...whats one more?
    Anoka County would be a great place.
    Get something on the north side cooking.
    From everything I've read (which is very little) it sounds like other state operated casinos have been successful.
    Why not Minny?

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    Re: Why a casino financed stadium won't work

    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "BloodyHorns82" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    I don't think the NFL can dictate where the state portion comes from. Minneapolis could build the casino take that revenue and stick it into highway maintenance and then use the highway money to build a stadium. I don't think the vikings would have any ownership over the casino. Personally I'm not sure the state should support casinos at all, gambling leads to crime, and poverty. Many lives have been ruined because of gambling.
    Yeah, but we already have casinos here.
    The areas these many casinos are built in aren't known for high crime rates or poverty...those two items are rampent in Minneapolis though where there are no casinos.
    I see your point, and I'm not really against it but there is a reason that up until now gambling has been illegal here(except for the lottery and the indians(who aren't subject to state gambling laws)), and in many other states. I've done tax returns for people that clearly have gambling problems and are in the poor house because of it(mostly elderly who don't work go to spend there social security checks). I mean if the state is going to profit off of gambling what's next, the state might as well just profit off of ciggarettes to balance the budget, wait they already did that.
    :-\ :-\ :-\

    Or alcohol?
    State governments always profit of sin tax...why not profit off of a different 'sin'?
    The only negative I see is that we'll be violating yet another agreement with the native americans....or would we?


    If grandma wants to go gamble her SS check away she is going to do it.
    The people you do taxes for don't even live near a casino which proves that as long as there are casinos around people will go no matter the distance (within reason of course).
    Might as well stick one in there backyard...at least then they are saving on gas.
    Sounds to me like they gamble their whole check away anyways.
    Might as well give it back to the government, albeit state government.

    I mean we already have how many casinos running in the state...whats one more?
    Anoka County would be a great place.
    Get something on the north side cooking.
    From everything I've read (which is very little) it sounds like other state operated casinos have been successful.
    Why not Minny?
    Can't really argue with any thing you say, only that more casinos are likely to reach more gamblers with a potential for problem gambling. Also I found these interesting stats:

    "Players" with household incomes under $10,000 bet nearly three times as much on lotteries as those with incomes over $50,000

    After casinos opened in Atlantic City, the total number of crimes within a thirty-mile radius increased 100 percent

    The average rate of divorce for problem gamblers is nearly double that of non-gamblers

    The suicide rate for pathological gamblers is twenty times higher than for non-gamblers (one in five attempts suicide)

    Sixty-five percent of pathological gamblers commit crimes to support their gambling habit


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    Re: Why a casino financed stadium won't work

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    I don't think the NFL can dictate where the state portion comes from. Minneapolis could build the casino take that revenue and stick it into highway maintenance and then use the highway money to build a stadium. I don't think the vikings would have any ownership over the casino. Personally I'm not sure the state should support casinos at all, gambling leads to crime, and poverty. Many lives have been ruined because of gambling.
    Not always true. Good points though. The Tribal operations payed for my entire college education. Not using the degree (Anthro) but still, helped me out big. Helps with medical facilities and Tribal infrastructure. It's been a good thing for us. (i'm with White Earth) I am always amazed at the negativity and so-on turned towards the Tribes because we have casinos. The South Park episode (very funny) was a good example. Some folks are pissed, livid, that we actually have a say on what we put up on our SOVEIRGN territory. Still, even though it can't happen, the Tribal involvement in a stadium, IMO, would be a bad deal all around. It would never get done, anyone here ever heard of being on "Indian time?" ;D
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