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    Re: Who would be our biggest loss?

    Hutch or Madieu... both make huge differences on their respective sides of the ball. With Madieu our coverage was a 100x better last year than it had been in years past. Attribute that a bit to JA coming on and destroying people, but it was a huge difference with Madieu back. Like someone said Hutch is just Hutch without him or even Mt. Mckinnie our running game is a step slower

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    Re: Who would be our biggest loss?

    "purple_glory_dreamer" wrote:
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    Hutch hands down!

    Here's the others listed as G on the roster:
    Daniels, Brian
    2nd year
    Kemp, Andy
    rookie
    Urban, Nick
    rookie

    Have played guard, but listed as tackles:
    Hicks, Hicks replacing Herrera, not much of a drop off
    Cook, give me a break!
    He only moves the team backwards with FS

    How do you replace a 6 time pro-bowler, probably the best guard in the league with Hicks or Cook????

    To pick AD over Hutch is saying CT is more of a drop off than Hutch to Hicks.
    I agree to an extent.
    However, defense wins championships.
    And if we lost Hutch we may lost some of our offense but our defense would keep us in games.
    If we lost our defense which I think we would if we lsot Allen.
    Our offense isnt prolific enough to out score everyone we play.
    Don't get me wrong, if you asked me if Allen or Hutch has a greater impact on Viking wins I would pick Allen.
    But the question is who would be the biggest loss, thus the difference between starter and backup.


    IMO the drop off in production from Allen to Robinson (IMO his backup) is much less than from Hutch to Hicks (who I think would replace Hutch).


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    Re: Who would be our biggest loss?

    Jared Allen hands down.
    If we lose someone on offense, we still have our defense to keep us in games. If we lose Jared Allen our entire defense changes and all of a sudden the offense will HAVE to win some games.

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    Re: Who would be our biggest loss?

    If we are talking level of dropoff, I think the only candidates are Hutch, Berrian, Winfield, and MWill.

    I think we have solid backups everywhere else.
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    Re: Who would be our biggest loss?

    "midgensa" wrote:
    Jared Allen hands down.
    If we lose someone on offense, we still have our defense to keep us in games. If we lose Jared Allen our entire defense changes and all of a sudden the offense will HAVE to win some games.
    You must think Robinson really sucks, although in 2007 starting only 5 games and limited game time he managed 4.5 sacks and 20 solo tackle.
    In 2008 with no starts and very limited game time, managed 2.5 sacks and 7 solo tackles.
    He's also only been in the only league 2 years.

    I'm not saying Robinson is as good as Allen, but Robinson is one heck of a player and IMO will be a starter if Edwards doesn't step it up.

    Robinson also replace Allen against KC, and did a good job.

    Thus, losing Allen would hurt but wouldn't be as catastrophic as you think.
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    Re: Who would be our biggest loss?

    "gagarr" wrote:
    "midgensa" wrote:
    Jared Allen hands down.
    If we lose someone on offense, we still have our defense to keep us in games. If we lose Jared Allen our entire defense changes and all of a sudden the offense will HAVE to win some games.
    You must think Robinson really sucks, although in 2007 starting only 5 games and limited game time he managed 4.5 sacks and 20 solo tackle.
    In 2008 with no starts and very limited game time, managed 2.5 sacks and 7 solo tackles.
    He's also only been in the only league 2 years.

    I'm not saying Robinson is as good as Allen, but Robinson is one heck of a player and IMO will be a starter if Edwards doesn't step it up.

    Robinson also replace Allen against KC, and did a good job.

    Thus, losing Allen would hurt but wouldn't be as catastrophic as you think.
    That's now how you spell his name, is it?

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    Re: Who would be our biggest loss?

    "Ranger" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "midgensa" wrote:
    Jared Allen hands down.
    If we lose someone on offense, we still have our defense to keep us in games. If we lose Jared Allen our entire defense changes and all of a sudden the offense will HAVE to win some games.
    You must think Robinson really sucks, although in 2007 starting only 5 games and limited game time he managed 4.5 sacks and 20 solo tackle.
    In 2008 with no starts and very limited game time, managed 2.5 sacks and 7 solo tackles.
    He's also only been in the only league 2 years.

    I'm not saying Robinson is as good as Allen, but Robinson is one heck of a player and IMO will be a starter if Edwards doesn't step it up.

    Robinson also replace Allen against KC, and did a good job.

    Thus, losing Allen would hurt but wouldn't be as catastrophic as you think.
    That's now how you spell his name, is it?
    No, it is Robison.



    And my vote is Winfield.

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    Re: Who would be our biggest loss?

    Allen

    Clearly our pass D improved a ton wit him there

    And it was nice to get some pass rush

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    Re: Who would be our biggest loss?

    Anybody in the secondary. We have less depth there and fewer quality, experienced vets than any other group IMO so I will go with that.

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    Re: Who would be our biggest loss?

    "Ranger" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    "midgensa" wrote:
    Jared Allen hands down.
    If we lose someone on offense, we still have our defense to keep us in games. If we lose Jared Allen our entire defense changes and all of a sudden the offense will HAVE to win some games.
    You must think Robinson really sucks, although in 2007 starting only 5 games and limited game time he managed 4.5 sacks and 20 solo tackle.
    In 2008 with no starts and very limited game time, managed 2.5 sacks and 7 solo tackles.
    He's also only been in the only league 2 years.

    I'm not saying Robinson is as good as Allen, but Robinson is one heck of a player and IMO will be a starter if Edwards doesn't step it up.

    Robinson also replace Allen against KC, and did a good job.

    Thus, losing Allen would hurt but wouldn't be as catastrophic as you think.
    That's now how you spell his name, is it?
    Yes, I screwed th spelling up.
    But since that is your only comment I take it you agree.
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