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    Another enlightening thread from our closet Viking fan.:lol: :lol:

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    Good wideouts get team over the hump, though. Jerry Rice went over 1k with RICH GANNON slinging him the ball.

    I grimaced when I read this article, because it may soon prove to be true of pep.

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    Stephen A. Smith | Can leader McNabb hear sour notes?

    By Stephen A. Smith

    Inquirer Columnist

    Donovan McNabb is many things to the Eagles and the city they represent. He's the quarterback. The franchise player. The one with the $112 million contract that mandates he had better be both and much, much more. So I'm wondering why he is also the leader of a team filled with questions about relations between him and those he is supposed to lead.

    Terrell Owens didn't speak kindly of McNabb in the weeks following the Eagles' Super Bowl loss to the New England Patriots. Freddie Mitchell didn't speak highly of McNabb, either, before his unceremonious exit at the behest of the franchise.

    And although Todd Pinkston, Greg Lewis or anyone else on the offensive side of the ball wouldn't dare speak out against McNabb - at least if they intend to continue working for this organization - no one has actually stepped to the front of the line to speak on McNabb's behalf, either.

    Ignorance can reign supreme, of course, and we can all sit around and simply blame Owens' greed and Mitchell's stupidity and leave McNabb's image as pure and pristine as ever. But where exactly will that get this franchise?

    Before Owens got here and Mitchell's mouth ran nonstop, the Eagles did come within 60 minutes of a Super Bowl appearance three consecutive years. McNabb was the star who couldn't get them over the hump. Andy Reid kept saving only the biggest games to get outcoached. And Joe Banner continued validating Jeff Lurie's "Gold Standard" assertions by mastering the salary cap for the purpose of intrigue.

    All in all, it got this franchise nowhere. Just another contender destined to be televised. Mostly sizzle, with very little substance.

    Until Owens arrived.

    Now acrimony dominates the headlines.

    First, it was Owens screaming for the ball in Pittsburgh. Later, it was Mitchell dropping hints of not getting the ball. After the Super Bowl, it was Jon Runyan coming to the defense of his quarterback, saying he was exhausted, trying to defend his leader's honor in the midst of scrutiny.

    Turn left. Turn right. Look up and down. Do a 360-degree turn. Bend down and peek through your legs. When it comes to the Eagles, it really doesn't matter.

    From draft day to two NFC championship game losses to Rush Limbaugh's idiotic comments to another NFC title game loss and now the aftermath of another loss on the big stage, any significant issue involving this franchise has continuously revolved around Mr. Donovan McNabb.

    I'm not blaming McNabb for any of it.

    I'm just asking why.

    Here's the worst kept secret in the Eagles' locker room: Owens isn't too fond of McNabb. He believes McNabb is a company man, a player who marches purely to Reid's tune. Someone who tows the company line, gets paid handsomely to do so, even when he's unwittingly exploited by Reid and Co. to keep the rest of the troops in line.

    "It's not fair to knock the Eagles organization because everyone in the NFL is like that," one former Eagle still playing in the NFL recently told me. "The strategy is simple: You pay a few of your core guys big money, guys that are all about doing things the right way, then use them to set the standard you want set so everyone else falls in line.

    "It works in most places. But that ain't going to work with independent thinkers who are as good as T.O."

    The latter wouldn't apply to Mitchell, of course, who caught just 90 passes and averaged less than 500 yards per year in four seasons in Philadelphia. But the fact that he didn't leave quietly - "I just never had that relationship with my quarterback" - has to say something.

    These are receivers, folks. Individuals paid to run routes and catch passes the quarterbacks calls and throws in their direction. Aside from the center position, there is no position more intimate with the quarterback, whose future depends on the quarterback more.

    "I believe we can do some really special things if T.O. was here with us," McNabb said recently. "But if he's not here, we can do some special things without him."

    Translation: McNabb isn't overly fond of Owens, either. It's no secret he believes Owens is selfish and self-absorbed.

    He won't admit it, though. None of the Eagles will.

    Publicly.

    We won't hear the truth as long as Reid is in sight. McNabb, for all his worth - and I'm here to say he's worth plenty - is Mr. Untouchable. Protected at all cost. Operating with impunity with regard to anything donning green and white.

    Owens spoke out, and the Eagles won't budge, keeping their hands in their pockets. Mitchell's gone, never to return.

    How much any of this has to do with McNabb is something we don't know.

    But that may be the biggest problem of all: We don't know.


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    "LosAngelis" wrote:
    I think my point was more that Brett Favre had this knock on him with Sterling Sharpe, that the only reason he was a good quarterback was because he had Sharpe (and, of course, because Sterling Sharpe kept saying he was the reason Brett was a good quarterback).

    Now, Pepp has the opportunity to prove those critics wrong. I've said for years that Pepp was the best thing you guys had going, so here's my chance to be right.

    Agreed. I believe we saw a little of this last year, but will see more now that our offense isn't based around a WR who is on the sidelines.

    Daunte's #'s will go down some, but he will be a better QB and more importantly, a better leader.

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    "muchluv4smoot" wrote:
    Agreed. I believe we saw a little of this last year, but will see more now that our offense isn't based around a WR who is on the sidelines.

    Daunte's #'s will go down some, but he will be a better QB and more importantly, a better leader.
    I agree 100%
    Without the pressure of keeping Randy happy and in an offensive scheme where he is forced to utilize the other weapons, Daunte should flourish.

    i'd love to see him eclipse his numbers from last year just to shut the people up that think this team died 2 months ago when Randy was sent packing.

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    "coreychavous21" wrote:
    LosAngelis you say we are going to see a more Favre-ian Culpepper this year? I sure hope not because in that case we should just forget about the superbowl because if he is going to be more like favre than he will throw interceptions in the playoffs and ruin it for the whole team :lol:

    Haha you read my mind exactly!

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    Quote from Stephen A. Smith article:

    "But that ain't going to work with independent thinkers who are as good as T.O." That only shows us that T-HO has never been a TEAM player...and he will never lead a TEAM to a Super Bowl championship!
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    I would say it was a little of both but they each have endless amounts of talent. Pep is 265 lbs and can run and can throw the length of the field and Randy is just amazing. He can catch balls that no one else could ever even think about catching. They both helped eachother develope and will show everyone how good they really are now that they're on different teams. I think Pep is gonna have a great year. You know Travis Taylor will come into his own this year and TW will be solid and we have Nate who im liking more and more every day. Jimmy and Wiggins at TE or TE/FB, 5 god rb's who can all catch decently. This is gonna be a great year.

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    "zeppelin4534" wrote:
    I would say it was a little of both but they each have endless amounts of talent. Pep is 265 lbs and can run and can throw the length of the field and Randy is just amazing. He can catch balls that no one else could ever even think about catching. They both helped eachother develope and will show everyone how good they really are now that they're on different teams. I think Pep is gonna have a great year. You know Travis Taylor will come into his own this year and TW will be solid and we have Nate who im liking more and more every day. Jimmy and Wiggins at TE or TE/FB, 5 god rb's who can all catch decently. This is gonna be a great year.
    Hope so... I must admit I'm a bit nervous about the WR position... :?:
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    Being a Vike fan I can't tell you Favre is my favorite player but we are not right in saying he isn't good. He has a great heart and plays the game the way it should be played. Sure he's made mistakes but he has made receivers look good and he has been to 2 SBs.

    The only reason why DCs stats go down is b/c he had such a great year last year. 5 games without RM and still had 4717 passing yards. Only 756 of those yards went to RM. Without RM he doesn't have to worry about people pushing him to get him the ball. I'm not trying to dis RM, I will miss him, but it is now DCs team without a doubt. Guys and gals, he still averaged over 300 ypg without RM and averaged almost 30 ppg without RM.

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    The Vikings had to get rid of Moss to make this Culpepper's team because it would never be HIS team with Moss on it.

    Los is right Culpepper will be more like Favre in that he is now the unquestioned leader of our team and if you don't follow him you will be gone.
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