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    Re: What's with the Vikes Defense?

    "jkjuggalo" wrote:
    We need a frightening safety with elite range, athleticism, and body control.
    Tyrell and Madieu are pretty average.
    I was hoping Tyrell would be the guy when we drafted him, but he seems timid at times.
    Not sure if that is due to over-thinking his responsibilities or what.
    Hopefully the light comes on for him soon.
    Madieu is a guy that we overpaid for.
    I'd like to see us do something to upgrade the safety position before next season starts.
    Sharper? ;D

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    Re: What's with the Vikes Defense?

    "jmcdon00" wrote:
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    I was just looking at defensive stats and was shocked to see the Vikes overall D at #19, rush at #7, and pass at #23.

    All the talk about becoming the #1 D this year and Vikes are giving up 332yds and 21.8pts per game.
    The only teams held under 20pts are the horrible Lions and Rams.

    I'm starting to think the D is playing soft now that the offense can win games.


    If defense wins championships then the Vikes need to get their act together and not rely on FF's and sacks to stop opponents.
    I just don't get it. I mean part of it is that we are getting leads so teams take more risks and throw more, but that should help us in some games too, teams become more 1 dimensional.
    On paper we should easily be a top 5 defense. I don't care much about the yards, but the points are out of whack for this defense.
    On the other hand we gave up 20.8pts per game last year, only 1 fewer point per game than this year.
    I still think by the end of the year we'll be in the top 10.
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    Re: What's with the Vikes Defense?

    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    I was just looking at defensive stats and was shocked to see the Vikes overall D at #19, rush at #7, and pass at #23.

    All the talk about becoming the #1 D this year and Vikes are giving up 332yds and 21.8pts per game.
    The only teams held under 20pts are the horrible Lions and Rams.

    I'm starting to think the D is playing soft now that the offense can win games.


    If defense wins championships then the Vikes need to get their act together and not rely on FF's and sacks to stop opponents.
    I just don't get it. I mean part of it is that we are getting leads so teams take more risks and throw more, but that should help us in some games too, teams become more 1 dimensional.
    On paper we should easily be a top 5 defense. I don't care much about the yards, but the points are out of whack for this defense.
    On the other hand we gave up 20.8pts per game last year, only 1 fewer point per game than this year.
    I still think by the end of the year we'll be in the top 10.
    I think that has a LOT to do with it - teams are taking more risks because they are behind.
    If you look at the games where we were behind or the score was close, our D is able to hold them.
    But if you see games like Baltimore and Green Bay, where we are off to a huge lead, they seem to be able to catch up.

    Maybe part of it is our offense goes more conservative while their offense gets more aggressive.
    That means the defense is on the field more, and they could be getting tired.
    Maybe it is just coincidence.

    Who knows. Whatever the reason, I think that this is the sole area of our game where we need to improve.
    But then shouldn't those teams, who are suddenly taking more risks, also be throwing more INT's because they are pressured and more prone to making mistakes? I just don't see our secondary challenging passes or capitalizing on the increased opportunities that should come from that added risk.

    It is almost like we are saying to offenses " There is no way you are going to run on us and we will do everything in our power to stop you from doing it, but if you want to pass we are OK with that and here is a 15 yard cushion just to prove our sincerity".
    In theory they should be throwing more picks... They just aren't.
    IDK why.
    (and it is usually only a 4 yard cushion... )
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    Re: What's with the Vikes Defense?

    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "UffDaVikes" wrote:
    "NodakPaul" wrote:
    "jmcdon00" wrote:
    "gagarr" wrote:
    I was just looking at defensive stats and was shocked to see the Vikes overall D at #19, rush at #7, and pass at #23.

    All the talk about becoming the #1 D this year and Vikes are giving up 332yds and 21.8pts per game.
    The only teams held under 20pts are the horrible Lions and Rams.

    I'm starting to think the D is playing soft now that the offense can win games.


    If defense wins championships then the Vikes need to get their act together and not rely on FF's and sacks to stop opponents.
    I just don't get it. I mean part of it is that we are getting leads so teams take more risks and throw more, but that should help us in some games too, teams become more 1 dimensional.
    On paper we should easily be a top 5 defense. I don't care much about the yards, but the points are out of whack for this defense.
    On the other hand we gave up 20.8pts per game last year, only 1 fewer point per game than this year.
    I still think by the end of the year we'll be in the top 10.
    I think that has a LOT to do with it - teams are taking more risks because they are behind.
    If you look at the games where we were behind or the score was close, our D is able to hold them.
    But if you see games like Baltimore and Green Bay, where we are off to a huge lead, they seem to be able to catch up.

    Maybe part of it is our offense goes more conservative while their offense gets more aggressive.
    That means the defense is on the field more, and they could be getting tired.
    Maybe it is just coincidence.
    Who knows. Whatever the reason, I think that this is the sole area of our game where we need to improve.
    But then shouldn't those teams, who are suddenly taking more risks, also be throwing more INT's because they are pressured and more prone to making mistakes? I just don't see our secondary challenging passes or capitalizing on the increased opportunities that should come from that added risk.

    It is almost like we are saying to offenses " There is no way you are going to run on us and we will do everything in our power to stop you from doing it, but if you want to pass we are OK with that and here is a 15 yard cushion just to prove our sincerity".
    In theory they should be throwing more picks... They just aren't.
    IDK why.
    (and it is usually only a 4 yard cushion... )
    I'll just throw out there the possibility that our secondary isn't aggressive enough.

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    Re: What's with the Vikes Defense?

    "jkjuggalo" wrote:
    We need a frightening safety with elite range, athleticism, and body control.
    Tyrell and Madieu are pretty average.
    I was hoping Tyrell would be the guy when we drafted him, but he seems timid at times.

    Not sure if that is due to over-thinking his responsibilities or what.
    Hopefully the light comes on for him soon.
    Madieu is a guy that we overpaid for.
    I'd like to see us do something to upgrade the safety position before next season starts.
    I want to agree with you.. But I'm thinking it's more the cover 2 system we run corals the safety talent.
    I think it's more the system than anything else that's leading to the result of mediocre to poor safety play.
    How else can you explain Sharper, who last year looked like he was getting run down and slow, and this year is seemingly running back every pick for 6?
    I think we should let one safety roam, and the other on more man-to-man coverage more often.
    Look at the system Tyrell came from..
    I would like to see that type of safety coverage from our team and let Tyrell do his thing.

    That's just me, though.
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    Re: What's with the Vikes Defense?

    We are ranked lower because opponents are gaining more yards which is in part due to the fact that they have been getting more opportunities on offense.
    Before this year, we lacked alot of passing in our offense and now it seems to be almost dominant.
    We are scoring faster and there for the other teams have more time on O which will give them more opportunties to gain stats.
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    Re: What's with the Vikes Defense?

    "jkjuggalo" wrote:
    We need a frightening safety with elite range, athleticism, and body control.
    Tyrell and Madieu are pretty average.
    I was hoping Tyrell would be the guy when we drafted him, but he seems timid at times.

    Not sure if that is due to over-thinking his responsibilities or what.
    Hopefully the light comes on for him soon.
    Madieu is a guy that we overpaid for.
    I'd like to see us do something to upgrade the safety position before next season starts.
    It is funny to me ... because Madieu seems timid as hell for some reason.

    Last season I thought he was VERY good when he finally got in there and you could clearly see that our secondary was better. We have just been unlucky with safety free agents I think (T. Williams, M. Williams, M. Doss just to name a few).

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    Re: What's with the Vikes Defense?

    We need to play some press


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    Re: What's with the Vikes Defense?

    "Formo" wrote:
    "jkjuggalo" wrote:
    We need a frightening safety with elite range, athleticism, and body control.
    Tyrell and Madieu are pretty average.
    I was hoping Tyrell would be the guy when we drafted him, but he seems timid at times.

    Not sure if that is due to over-thinking his responsibilities or what.
    Hopefully the light comes on for him soon.
    Madieu is a guy that we overpaid for.
    I'd like to see us do something to upgrade the safety position before next season starts.
    I want to agree with you.. But I'm thinking it's more the cover 2 system we run corals the safety talent.
    I think it's more the system than anything else that's leading to the result of mediocre to poor safety play.
    How else can you explain Sharper, who last year looked like he was getting run down and slow, and this year is seemingly running back every pick for 6?
    I think we should let one safety roam, and the other on more man-to-man coverage more often.
    Look at the system Tyrell came from..
    I would like to see that type of safety coverage from our team and let Tyrell do his thing.

    That's just me, though.
    yep, to run a cover 2 effectively you need safeties who are fast enough to cover from the sideline to the middle if the field.
    M.
    Williams lacks that range and we are suffering from it.
    I think Johnson is doing alright and still getting acclimated but Williams just isn't the right fit for this D.
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    Re: What's with the Vikes Defense?

    Against the cheesedicks our problem was a huge lead and them going to strictly an all passing game. We held up fine against the Steelers our offense just couldn't stop them from scoring, haha. It'll be interesting to see if Chilly and co. make some adjustments to our d so we don't have major malfunctions in the 2nd half anymore.

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