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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    I'm not sure, but I'd guess he'd succeed against defenses the way he did when playing quarterback against them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger View Post
    I'm not sure, but I'd guess he'd succeed against defenses the way he did when playing quarterback against them.
    Yes ... because that worked so well for David Klingler, Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, Andre Ware, Ken Dorsey, Byron Leftwich, Tim Couch, David Carr, Rex Grossman, Tim Tebow, Danny Wuerffel, Chris Weinke, Ty Detmer, Brian Brohm, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Patrick Ramsey, Drew Henson, Chase Daniel, BJ Symons, Case Keenum, Kellen Moore, Graham Harrell, Colt Brennan, Timmy Chang, Jason White, Kliff Kingsbury, Todd Reesing, Chris Leak, Jordan Palmer, Coly McCoy, Chris Redman, Eric Zeier, Jared Lorenzen, Andre Woodseon, Brandon Weedon, Nate Davis, Dan McGwire, Tim Rattay, Hawaii QB No. 8 and Texas Tech QB No. 18 ....

    Literally ... the list is damn near ENDLESS of QBs that had success "when playing quarterback" against defenses in college that totally fucking completely and utterly sucked when they got to the NFL ... almost all of them still didn't suck on their Pro Day though.

    The Pro Day is not the end all but the fact that Bridgewater totally sucked on that day is certainly something that should be discussed. His numbers against the AAC and Big Least conference over the last couple of years ... well ... they don't matter at all ... literally not one bit. College success against defenses shows nothing at all ... does not even show more than the Pro Day honestly. The Pro Day shows the skill set and the fundamentals completely with all other things stripped away. Games show the ability to read defenses and improvise. BOTH are important ... and completely sucking in either should be noted and looked into.

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    Impressive listing of dud QBs! Get ready to add a couple more from this year's draft. Bummer is no one knows yet who they'll be.

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    “That’s a big reason why we made it a high priority to sign Matt Cassel back. Every one of these quarterbacks … nothing is a sure thing. There’s no Andrew Luck, no Peyton Manning. It is such a mixed bag with each player—every one of them has positives, every one of them has negatives. And if that’s the way you end up feeling, why don’t you just wait till later in the draft, and take someone with the first pick you’re sure will help you right now?”
    NFL coach describes 2014 draft as 'torturous' in picking quarterbacks | The MMQB with Peter King

    That is precisely how I feel about it, glad to hear it from Spielman.

    My wishlist at the moment: Mack, Evans, Watkins, Mathews and/or trading back and still getting Mosley, Shazier or one of the top CBs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainviking View Post
    “That’s a big reason why we made it a high priority to sign Matt Cassel back. Every one of these quarterbacks … nothing is a sure thing. There’s no Andrew Luck, no Peyton Manning. It is such a mixed bag with each player—every one of them has positives, every one of them has negatives. And if that’s the way you end up feeling, why don’t you just wait till later in the draft, and take someone with the first pick you’re sure will help you right now?”
    NFL coach describes 2014 draft as 'torturous' in picking quarterbacks | The MMQB with Peter King

    That is precisely how I feel about it, glad to hear it from Spielman.

    My wishlist at the moment: Mack, Evans, Watkins, Mathews and/or trading back and still getting Mosley, Shazier or one of the top CBs.

    Pretty good article and interview with Spielman that shows how unsettled this year's QB class is stacking up.

    We’ve broken them down in all the ways we could think of. Analytically—measuring them against their five toughest opponents, indoor-versus-outdoor, by psychological testing, and it is such a mixed bag.
    Consensus huh, how likely is that?

    “Ideally,’’ said Spielman, “if we did pick a quarterback this year we would want to redshirt him anyway, and when he’d be ready to go, he’d play. But he’d probably use this year as a learning year. I can say that now, before our meetings, we’ll have the coaches and scouts speak, but if we are going to consider a quarterback at eight, I better have consensus in the building that this is our guy. We all better feel good about one guy.’’
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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Literally ... the list is damn near ENDLESS of QBs that had success "when playing quarterback" against defenses in college that totally fucking completely and utterly sucked when they got to the NFL ... almost all of them still didn't suck on their Pro Day though.

    The Pro Day is not the end all but the fact that Bridgewater totally sucked on that day is certainly something that should be discussed.
    You mean like Drew Brees.

    Brees was confused. Some quarterbacks took Zorn’s advice and threw three-quarter-speed spirals to wideouts long after the receivers came out of their breaks. Balls like those would get picked off in a game, but they were safe passes in this arena. Brees stuck with his game plan and threw on rhythm. Some wideouts made sharp breaks, others didn’t. Of Brees’s 20 balls, 11 were solid throws and nine were poor. He one-hopped a simple out-cut and overthrew another. His long throws — the post-corner and the streak — were wobbly, setting off alarms throughout the league.
    Brees throws maybe the best ball in the league today.

    Take Pro Day for what it is, a scripted non real scenario where you decide to show what you want to the scouts and its up to the scouts/coaches to try and understand how it would apply in an actual NFL game.

    If you can readily dismiss good performances as having any bearing, then shouldn't poor performances have some level irrelevance as well?

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    hey just because they think there isnt a sure top qb in the draft .such as a luck or manning haha well i have news for spielman .if there are two blue chip qbs we wouldnt be getting either one with the 8th pick haha ...so we draft a qb 2nd or maybe 3rd round ...the 49er had colin kapernick playing backing up...wilson was a 3rd round pick, dalton and many more qb s that are sucssessful careers in the nfl ...richie gannon vikes told him pick another position kid you dont have what it takes ...kurt warner the list goes on and on ...i like MATT CASSELL HE CAN GET THE JOB DONE ..GIVE HIM SOME BETTER PROTECTION ...KEEP TEAMS FROM JUMPING OUT TO AN EARY LEAD AND KEEP THEM UNDER 24 PIONTS A GAME CASSELL CAN GET THE JOB DONE ...FACE IT WE DONT KNOW WHAT QB WILL BE IN CAMP.OR HOW THEY WILL TURN OUT PLAYERS AND COACHES GOTTA BELIEVE IN CASSELL...LIKE IT OR NOT HE IS OUR GUY ...THE ATTITUDE THAT HE NOT A PLAYOFF QB GOTTA STOP ....OMG

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    Quote Originally Posted by midgensa View Post
    Yes ... because that worked so well for David Klingler, Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, Andre Ware, Ken Dorsey, Byron Leftwich, Tim Couch, David Carr, Rex Grossman, Tim Tebow, Danny Wuerffel, Chris Weinke, Ty Detmer, Brian Brohm, Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Patrick Ramsey, Drew Henson, Chase Daniel, BJ Symons, Case Keenum, Kellen Moore, Graham Harrell, Colt Brennan, Timmy Chang, Jason White, Kliff Kingsbury, Todd Reesing, Chris Leak, Jordan Palmer, Coly McCoy, Chris Redman, Eric Zeier, Jared Lorenzen, Andre Woodseon, Brandon Weedon, Nate Davis, Dan McGwire, Tim Rattay, Hawaii QB No. 8 and Texas Tech QB No. 18 ....

    Literally ... the list is damn near ENDLESS of QBs that had success "when playing quarterback" against defenses in college that totally fucking completely and utterly sucked when they got to the NFL ... almost all of them still didn't suck on their Pro Day though.

    The Pro Day is not the end all but the fact that Bridgewater totally sucked on that day is certainly something that should be discussed. His numbers against the AAC and Big Least conference over the last couple of years ... well ... they don't matter at all ... literally not one bit. College success against defenses shows nothing at all ... does not even show more than the Pro Day honestly. The Pro Day shows the skill set and the fundamentals completely with all other things stripped away. Games show the ability to read defenses and improvise. BOTH are important ... and completely sucking in either should be noted and looked into.
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    If you had to pick one method of evaluating players, would you take several years of game film, or a pro-day?

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    Need to have a QB. But really hope it is not Johnny Football. Not just for his college play as sometimes college QB does not easily translate into being a NFL all type QB. Plus him getting in trouble would be a huge headache for the organization off the field. If you look at it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tastywaves View Post
    You mean like Drew Brees.



    Brees throws maybe the best ball in the league today.

    Take Pro Day for what it is, a scripted non real scenario where you decide to show what you want to the scouts and its up to the scouts/coaches to try and understand how it would apply in an actual NFL game.

    If you can readily dismiss good performances as having any bearing, then shouldn't poor performances have some level irrelevance as well?
    Who dismissed good performances? I certainly didn't.

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