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    What The Others Think (Cause Marrdro Was Pissed)

    OK, I will be the first to admit that sometimes I flip off the deepend sometimes and it usually happens pretty quickly, this was the case as the draft came to a close.

    Although I was pretty happy with our day one and day two efforts, I sure was getting miffed today as we basically did nothing but wait take what I assumed were "Camp Fodder" with our latter round picks.

    Anyway, I logged off, before I said something to piss one of you off (my apologies Singer) and started to do some reasearch. Honestly, I was hoping my research was gonna find me the ammo to blast the living shit out of Spielman and company.

    Much to my delight, I actually found out that they did a good job.

    Key note: For the following info, I used the following Sites:
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    Sports Illustrated

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    Round 1, Pick 12 (12)Christian Ponder QB 6'2" 229
    "Biography: Three-year starter who totaled 61.5%/2044/20/8 as a senior when he struggled late in the year with an elbow injury. Junior totals included 68.8%/2717/14/7. Suffered a season-ending shoulder injury nine games into the season.

    Positives: ""Smart, poised pocket passer with terrific awareness. Patient, displays a sense of timing, and hits receivers as they leave their breaks. Stands strong in the pocket, throws a catchable ball, and puts touch on passes when necessary. Has adequate arm strength and throws the out patterns well. Senses pressure, steps up to avoid it, and knows where his receivers are on the field. Looks away from cover targets and goes to secondary receivers. Terrific job commanding and controlling the offense. Flashes the ability to place passes where only his receiver has a chance at the ball. Mobile and can get outside the pocket to make throws on the move.""

    Negatives: Off the mark when he tries to get extra speed on throws. Cannot drive the deep pass. Long throws tend to float and hang. Struggled with injuries two consecutive seasons.

    Analysis: ""Ponder is a thinking man's quarterback with terrific intangibles and leadership skills. His physical ability is adequate for the next level, but the injuries that have mounted the past two years and his lack of durability makes him a risk. Ponder watched his draft stock drop in 2010 but he will get a chance to make an impact at the next level because of his physical and mental attributes.""

    Projection: 2nd"
    Pick Analysis:*The Vikings surprisingly nab Ponder with their first-round pick. He has all of the leadership skills, intelligence and intangibles to be an effective starting quarterback, but the Vikings will need to tweak their offense to suit his skills as a quick-rhythm passer. He might not be ready to assume the mantle in Week 1, but he could be better than anyone anticipates as a pro quarterback.
    "What he brings: Ponder has had problems staying healthy and there are concerns about his durability going forward, but he has had the opportunity to show his toughness and there is a lot to like about his willingness to play through pain. He doesn't have the strongest arm and will have some trouble driving the ball downfield, but he does an excellent job of anticipating and delivering the ball in stride on short-to-intermediate routes. He is also light on his feet and can buy time within the pocket.

    How he fits: One of the big questions regarding the Vikings was whether they would go the veteran QB route or bite the bullet and start over with a rookie -- and we still don't know the answer, despite this pick. Right now, with Tarvaris Jackson and Brett Favre gone and Joe Webb unproven this is an offense that simply can't line up at QB. Is Ponder the immediate answer? Will the Vikings still go out and try to get a veteran to bridge the gap? Bill Musgrave is the new coordinator and he will run a West Coast offense that emphasizes the run with Adrian Peterson and his philosophy will emphasize rollouts, bootlegs, half reads and play-action -- all things Ponder can do well."
    "CZAR'S FRONT OFFICE TAKE: The Vikings were stunned with Locker and Gabbert off their board, but GM Rick Spielman, who watched all the rookie quarterbacks, predicted that seven would go before they picked in the second round (43th overall). So, they rolled the dice with Florida State quarterback 6-foot-2 Christian Ponder over TCUís Andy Dalton. Ponder is equipped to run the West Coast offense, but many teams had him at the bottom of the round or later in the second round. But like I said, Spielman didnít believe Ponder would be there in the second round. This is the first stunner in the first round. But Bill Musgrave likes Ponder and believes he can coach him up to be effective this season. Remember, the Vikings could be in the running to acquire Washington quarterback Donovan McNabb. That would be a solid move before Ponder is ready to play. We all know that Minnesota is not sold on Joe Webb as their quarterback of the future. Let the competition begin!

    CAPLAN'S ANALYSIS: Ponder was one of the top quarterbacks available for this draft, but it was surprise to some personnel evaluators that Minnesota didnít trade back. However, because so many teams are in need of help at quarterback, the Vikings probably felt that they couldnít take the chance of trading down and missing out on him. Look for the Vikings to sign a veteran quarterback to compete for the starting job this season, but Ponder should be in the mix right away as well.

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    Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki: GM Rick Spielman and coach Leslie Frazier desperately needed a new franchise quarterback with Brett Favre moving on. Ponder is a great fit for Bill Musgrave's West Coast offense. A strong Senior Bowl and pro-day workouts elevated his draft stock. The biggest challenge for Ponder could be staying healthy, having been snake bitten by injuries in college

    Round 2, Pick 11 (43) Kyle Rudolph TE 6'6" 259
    "Biography: ""Three-year starter who posted 28/320/3 in six games as a junior. Suffered a season-ending hamstring injury last October, which required surgery to repair. Had 33/364/3 as a sophomore and 29/340/2 as a freshman.""

    Positives: ""Strong, well-rounded tight end prospect with a complete game. Displays terrific focus and concentration as a receiver, possesses soft and strong hands, and consistently makes the tough grab in a crowd. Goes over the middle and takes a pounding yet holds onto the ball. Nicely makes the reception in stride, adjusting to the errant throw and looking the ball in. Finds the open spot in the defense, comes back to the ball, and extends his hands, offering the quarterback a nice target. Strong blocker and easily controls opposing defensive lineman once engaged the point of attack. Attacks blocking assignments. Effective in motion and gets out on the second level and handles linebackers.""

    Negatives: Displays minimal quickness and speed in his game with no burst. Not a downfield threat. Poor route runner and displays limited sharpness into breaks.

    Analysis: ""Rudolph has been a consistent tight end for Notre Dame the past three seasons yet is being slightly overrated in some circles. He has starting potential in the NFL but will never develop into a tight end that makes plays down the field. Instead, he?ll be a consistent professional who is effective as an intermediate range target and blocker.""

    Projection: 2nd"
    Pick Analysis:*The Vikings add a young, athletic tight end to the lineup with the selection of Rudolph. He allows offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave to implement some multiple tight end formations with Visanthe Shiancoe and Rudolph creating mismatches in the passing game. If he can become more stout as a run blocker, he could help the Vikings utilize a dynamic offense that is balanced in all facets.
    "What he brings: Rudolph has an excellent combination of size and athleticism to become an every-down tight end in the NFL. His strength is catching passes. Rudolph has the speed and route-running ability to separate and he shows above-average ball skills to bring in balls outside his frame. He is an effective run blocker but could get better in that area. Durability issues kept him out of the first round.
    How he fits: This is a pure value pick because on paper it is not a glaring need for the Vikings. Backup Jimmy Kleinsasser is primarily a blocker and Visanthe Shiancoe is an excellent pass catcher but his production dropped last year to two touchdowns in 2010. Rudolph is the most versatile TE coming into the draft and would have gone much higher, if not for injury. In an offense that loves to use the TE in the passing game it becomes even more important to give rookie QB Christian Ponder another target. Watch the Vikings use a lot more two tight end sets this year, much like the Patriots"
    Prospect Rank: 40 While many draft analysts had the Vikings pegged for an offensive lineman or defensive back with their second-rounder, they went with Rudolph. While he's a solid value, TE wasn't a need position
    Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki: Giving Christian Ponder a safe, reliable target like Rudolph was a wise move. Visanthe Shiancoe and Jim Kleinsasser are both on the wrong side of 30 and the Vikings needed to add an infusion of youth to the position. Rudolph could become Ponder's favorite target in Bill Musgrave's West Coast offense. He's a solid all-around player whose intangibles and toughness stood out last season when he played through a hamstring injury until it tore off the bone.


    Round 4, Pick 9 (106) Christian Ballard DL 6'5" 297
    "Biography: Three-year starter who totaled 43/5/3 as a senior after 54/9/5.5 as a junior.

    Positives: ""Explosive and athletic player with ability at a number of positions on the defensive line. Forceful up the field, quickly changes direction, and can pursue the action from every area. Easily moves about the field, possesses terrific playing speed, and effectively uses his hands to protect himself. Displays good punch and jolt at the point of attack, works his hands throughout the action, and flashes power. Pushes blockers off the line, plays with good knee bend, and forceful up the field. Beats blocks to make plays on the ball despite the extra attention he receives. Rarely off his feet.""

    Negatives: Does not consistently play with a sense of urgency. Just average first-step quickness. Average upper body strength.

    Analysis: Ballard is a terrific defensive lineman and is one of the more underrated players at his position in this draft. He possesses the explosiveness and size to be used as a traditional defensive tackle or line up as a two-gap end in a 3-4 alignment. Ballard possesses enormous upside and has the potential to be a productive starter in the NFL if he puts the pieces together and continues to improve his game.

    Projection: 1-2"
    Pick Analysis:*The Vikings bolster their depth along the defensive line with the selection of Ballard. He gives them a rugged interior defender with the size and strength to be effective at the point of attack. He is a tremendous value pick for the Vikings at this point.
    "What he brings: He is versatile enough to line up both outside and inside (on passing downs). He has good closing speed for his size but his production is inconsistent and has not matched his ability.
    How he fits: Ray Edwards and Brian Robison may leave in free agency and the only young developmental guy is Everson Griffen. Ballard is a good fit at LDE in this 4-3 defense but an added bonus is his ability to move inside in some situations, which could be really important considering the tentative status of Kevin Williams and Pat Williams."
    "Prospect Rank: 44
    Ballard was projected to go in the second or third round, so the Vikings got good value. Ballard should contribute right away at defensive tackle."
    Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki: Ballard could turn out to be an excellent value in the fourth round if DL coach Karl Dunbar can light a fire underneath him and keep him focused. He has first-round-type athletic traits and movement skill, but has too often coasted on his natural talent in college and slid to the fourth round only because he tested positive for marijuana at the NFL Scouting Combine. He compares somewhat similarly to a young Kevin Williams and has untapped potential to be groomed

    Round 5, Pick 8 (139) Brandon Burton DB 6'0" 190
    "Biography: Two-year starter awarded all-Conference honors as a junior with totals of 51/2/8. Sophomore numbers included 47/1/10.

    Positives: ""Solid cornerback prospect who has good upside. Quick-footed moving in reverse, can flip his hips off the line, and displays an explosive burst to the ball out of his plant. Displays a physical nature to his game, mixes it up with receivers throughout the route, and gives effort defending the run. Effectively reads receivers? eyes and gets his head back around to locate the pass in the air. Possesses a nice move to the ball in coverage.""

    Negatives: ""Inconsistent with his backpedal and does too much side shuffling at times. Does not display a good sense of timing, late reacting to the action and does not track the ball well downfield. Slow transitioning out of his backpedal and does not do a good job positioning himself against opponents to defend passes.""

    Analysis: ""Burton has shown a lot of skill the past two seasons but still needs to smooth out the rough edges of his game. He possesses the size and speed to play at the next level and could see action in dime packages as a rookie, preferably in a zone system.""

    Projection: 3-4 "
    Pick Analysis:*Burton is a long, rangy corner with the potential to be an effective Cover-2 corner as a pro. He has good ball skills and awareness, and should be an effective sub-defender for the Vikings.
    He doesn't have elite ball skills and doesn't show great burst out of his backpedal, but he's a good value here because of his size/speed blend and his willingness to play the run. He'll start as a sub-package defender, but has the ability to develop into a starter.
    Prospect Rank: 80 The Vikings got good value with Burton, who was expected to go off the board a few rounds earlier.
    "Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki: Burton was continually exposed in coverage and beat too often in college. He is best rolled up in press coverage the way head coach Leslie Frazier likes to play his cornerbacks. Burton could offer more depth at a position of need for the Vikings."

    Round 6, Pick 3 (168) (From Broncos through Browns) Demarcus Love OL 6'4" 315

    "Biography: Three-year starter who's lined up at both tackle positions as well as guard. All-Conference selection as a senior.

    Positives: ""Adequate college lineman whose next level ability is overrated in many circles. Strong at the point, stays square, and works to finish blocks. Adequately adjusts to defenders, keeps his feet moving, and flashes ability in motion. Fights with his hands, controls opponents at the point of attack, and keeps his head on a swivel.""

    Negatives: Gets tall as the play proceeds. Must improve his blocking balance. Does not get much movement run blocking. Lacks top footwork off the edge.

    Analysis: ""Coming into the season, Love was rated as one of the better tackle prospects in the senior class, but his play last season was unspectacular and his performance during the Senior Bowl was poor. He lacks the fundamentals and balance to stay at the tackle position and must improve his overall game to ever break into a starting line-up in the NFL.""

    Projection: 5th"

    Pick Analysis:*The Vikings get a developmental prospect to groom for a role as a swing backup. Love has the size to be an effective guard on the next level.
    Love is an aggressive player who shows good inline power to get movement on defenders as a run blocker. However, he is a waist-bender and lacks lateral quickness which will probably force him to move from OT to OG.
    Prospect Rank: 122 Love is capable of playing right tackle or guard, which are two weak depth positions for the Vikings.
    "Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki: Love is a massive, long-armed, mauler with the competitiveness desired on the Vikings' offensive line. He could project inside for Minnesota and adds more depth at multiple positions."

    Round 6, Pick 5 (170) (From Browns) Mistral Raymond DB 196
    "Biography: Junior college transfer who has been used at both safety and cornerback. Senior totals included 56/1/7 after 40 tackles and one interception as a junior.

    Positives: ""Aggressive, hard hitting defensive back who always works to get involved in the action. Plays with suddenness and aggressively lays his shoulders into ball carriers. Will mix it up with opponents throughout the route and physically beats down receivers to defend the throw. Displays a good head for the ball and quickly locates the action.""

    Negatives: ""Lacks fluid footwork in reverse, struggles staying with receivers out of their breaks, and possesses just marginal ball skills.""

    Analysis: Raymond has shown steady improvement the past two years at South Florida and has the size and athleticism to make an NFL roster as a reserve.

    Projection: FA"
    Pick Analysis:*Leslie Frazier adds a talented cover man to the Vikings' roster with the selection of Raymond. He will compete as a potential sub-defender/special teams contributor.
    He doesn't have elite ball skills and doesn't show great burst out of his backpedal, but he's a good value here because of his size/speed blend and his willingness to play the run. He'll start as a sub-package defender, but has the ability to develop into a starter.
    He'll get a chance to compete as a fourth saftey.
    "Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki: Raymond climbed late in the draft process, having not started full time until his senior season. A lean free safety with average athletic ability, Raymond is a former walk-on whose competitiveness gives him a chance to earn a reserve job and compete on special teams. He could be tried at cornerback.



    Round 6, Pick 7 (172) Brandon Fusco OL 6'4" 316
    "Biography: Three-year starter awarded all-Conference honors since his sophomore season.

    Positives: ""Tough, heady center who has been consistent and productive on the college level. Plays with good quickness, keeps his feet moving, and displays better than average lateral blocking range. Terrific position blocker, stays square, and easily seals defenders from the action. Blocks with a nasty attitude, working hard to finish off defenders. Does a nice job consistently bending his knees and getting leverage. Always looking for someone to hit yet plays within himself and shows good awareness, helping out teammates.""

    Negatives: ""Seems a bit stiff and marginally effective in motion. Struggles adjusting to defenders or hitting a moving target. Has difficulty when faced off against quick, explosive lineman.""

    Analysis: ""Fusco has been an outstanding player on the college level and possesses the size, physical skills, and attitude to play in the NFL. He has an upside and could break into a starting lineup once he improves the finer points of his game.""

    Projection: 6th"
    Pick Analysis:*The Vikings decide to take a flier on this small-school prospect who is tough enough to make some progress in the NFL.
    He has a good frame and natural strength at the point of attack. He also plays with aggressiveness and works to finish blocks. Concerns are he is a limited athlete and needs to play with more consistent pad level.
    "Biography: Three-year starter awarded all-Conference honors since his sophomore season.

    Positives: ""Tough, heady center who has been consistent and productive on the college level. Plays with good quickness, keeps his feet moving, and displays better than average lateral blocking range. Terrific position blocker, stays square, and easily seals defenders from the action. Blocks with a nasty attitude, working hard to finish off defenders. Does a nice job consistently bending his knees and getting leverage. Always looking for someone to hit yet plays within himself and shows good awareness, helping out teammates.""

    Negatives: ""Seems a bit stiff and marginally effective in motion. Struggles adjusting to defenders or hitting a moving target. Has difficulty when faced off against quick, explosive lineman.""

    Analysis: ""Fusco has been an outstanding player on the college level and possesses the size, physical skills, and attitude to play in the NFL. He has an upside and could break into a starting lineup once he improves the finer points of his game.""

    Projection: 6th"
    "Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki: A developmental, small-school OL prospect who competed hard at the Senior Bowl, Fusco could bring depth as an interior swing backup and has the grit and toughness the Vikings desire on their line.
    "

    Round 6, Pick 35 (200) (Compensatory Selection) Ross Homan LB 6'1" 240
    "Biography: ""Three-year starter awarded all-Conference honors since his junior season. Senior totals included 72/2/1 when he intercepted one pass and broke up four more. Led the team in tackles as a junior with 108/5/2, also intercepting five passes and breaking up five more.""

    Positives: ""Instinctive, hard-working linebacker constantly around the action. Breaks down well, quickly changes direction, and rarely gets knocked off his feet. Gets depth on pass drops, shows ability in coverage, and remains disciplined with assignments. Plays smart, heads-up football, immediately diagnosing the action. Makes plays sideline to sideline, quickly fills gaps up the field, and effectively uses his hands to protect himself.""

    Negatives: Not a reliable tackler. Easily blocked at the point of attack and struggles getting through the trash.

    Analysis: Homan is a consistent defender who understands the position and does the little things well. He lacks great physical skills yet does enough to be a productive backup in a variety of defensive alignments at the next level.

    Projection: 4th"
    Pick Analysis:*Homan is very instinctinve and made all of the calls for the Buckeyes' defense last year. He's an intelligent player who could contribute right away.
    Homan has the skill set to become an adequate sub-package reserve and potential starter down the road as a WLB in the Vikings' 4-3 scheme.
    Prospect Rank: 169 Homan should compete for a backup job at MLB for the Vikings.
    "Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki: A true value selection, Homan is a smart, productive, experienced prospect from a big school, not unlike starters Chad Greenway and E.J. Henderson. Homan is undersized and concerns about his durability and lack of elite speed likely caused him to slip further than his tape suggests he should.

    "



    Round 7, Pick 12 (215) D'Aundre Reed DL 6'4" 261
    "Biography: Part-time starter the past three seasons who finished with 40/6/2 as a senior after 17/2.5/2.5 as a junior.

    Positives: ""Relatively athletic defensive lineman who makes plays in every direction of the field. Moves well on his feet, plays with good lean, and nicely redirects to the action. Flashes strength and the ability to get force up the field. Keeps his feet moving on contact. Plays with leverage and has quick hands.""

    Negatives: Displays marginal quickness and explosiveness. Does not possess great closing burst and has poor size/speed numbers.

    Analysis: Reed is a developmental prospect who's shown flashes the past three seasons but has not put together a complete game. He's a practice squad player who may need a year in an NFL weight training program before he's ready to take the field.

    Projection: FA"
    Pick Analysis:*Reed adds some versatility to the Vikings' defensive line, and they will see what they can get out of him in training camp.
    Reed is raw and needs refining in several areas. However, he has enough tools to become an adequate reserve as a LDE in the Vikings' 4-3 front.
    Reed might get a chance to challenge for a backup job at SLB with the Vikings, but he's more of a natural DE

    Round 7, Pick 33 (236) (Compensatory Selection) Stephen Burton WR 6'1" 221
    "Biography: ""Junior college transfer who started the past two seasons. Senior receiving totals included 70/1021/11, when he also averaged 23.1 yards on 10 kick returns. Junior numbers were 62/888/2 receiving.""

    Positives: ""Nice-sized underneath receiver with reliable hands. Has good quickness, sells routes, and is sharp into breaks, getting separation from defenders. Nicely adjusts to the errant throw and displays strong hands as well as eye/hand coordination. Looks the pass in, easily makes the reception in stride, and quickly transitions from making the catch to running after the reception. Shows toughness and a willingness to go over the middle and make the difficult reception in a crowd. Finds the open seam in the defense and shows some elusiveness running after the catch.""

    Negatives: Does an adequate job blocking but really does not show a killer mentality for a big receiver. Unnecessarily lets the ball get inside him at times. Leaves his feet for no reason to make the reception. Lacks a burst and deep speed. Benefited from a four-receiver passing offense at West Texas A&M.

    Analysis: Burton is a solid prospect with enough skill to make it as a fourth receiver in either a West Coast offense or a system that asks him to run underneath routes.

    Projection: 5th"
    Pick Analysis:*Can't blame the Vikings trying to find weapons for Christian Ponder. In Burton, they get a guy with potential but who needs to work hard to hone his craft as a receiver.
    Burton has the size and tools to potentially contribute as a fourth or fifth receiver at the next level.
    Prospect Rank: 237 Burton, because of is size and speed, has a realistic chance to win a job as a 5th WR with the Vikings

    Closing notes:

    1. It appears that we might see some changes on defense that might track towards the "Zone/Press" schemes that are being bantered about lately when it comes to how teams (both 3-4 and 4-3 schemes) are using their DB's to counter the move towards spread offenses.

    2. It appears that we are going to stick with the WCO version that was run by the Chiller and Bevs. QB fits that scheme and the addition of another inline TE seems to bare that out. Doesn't mean we won't stretch it vertical when the opportunity offers, but it appears they will try to keep it close, short and high percentage until Ponder gets his footing under hiim.

    3. Another DE means the staff is done with Ray.

    4. Even though they added a WR late, I think the staff feels pretty comfortable they are going to resign Rice. I sure hope they are right cause we passed on some good ones.
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    Glad to see you're coming around Marrdro!

    Yes, I kinda got the sense that you didn't seem very happy on day 3.

    Initially, I was not very excited about it either, but then I thought "it's day 3 and only the players with the least interesting skill sets are left. It's not meant to be exciting". And after further review, I also found some nice positives on some of the picks and overall I'm satisfied with this year's draft.

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    Re: What The Others Think (Cause Marrdro Was Pissed)

    Quote Originally Posted by "HEY" #1095733
    Glad to see you're coming around Marrdro!

    Yes, I kinda got the sense that you didn't seem very happy on day 3.

    Initially, I was not very excited about it either, but then I thought "it's day 3 and only the players with the least interesting skill sets are left. It's not meant to be exciting". And after further review, I also found some nice positives on some of the picks and overall I'm satisfied with this year's draft.
    I believe that every staff should use every pick to add quality to the team.

    Although there are 1 or 2 I am still pondering, for the most part I can see what they are trying to do. In short, all but 1, possibly 2, should be able to make this team, and make it better when they do.

    One thing that sticks out though, we need to resign a few cats, and do it as soon as we can.
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    It's just a game. Relax, rest a spell, take you coat off.

    Right now the team is in the worst shape it has been in many years not only due to the dysfunction Childress left for Frazier but also because the rest of the division has really beefed up their rosters on both sides of the ball and they all look like they have young franchise type QB's while we crapped out with the guy we spent half a decade developing while ignoring potential franchise QB's that ended up on other teams.

    I don't know if this staff will be any better than the last one but I do know the last one had run it;s course with negative results and something had to change. In reality I wish there was a bigger change at the top that led to a real GM who could set the structure but we are stuck with what we have and hopefully Frazier can build the team back up and get us in the position where we can compete in the division again in a few years. Until then it is going to be a bumpy ride my friend.

    OTOH on the bright side we drafted one of the top QB's available for the first time in a dozen years and might possibly not have to rely on old and busted guys for a while if they chose right and it looks like he will have a better OL and some nice targets to begin his career. hopefully the staff is smart enough to make the offense into something that he can execute proficiently and that will go a long way towards getting back into contention.

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    Re: What The Others Think (Cause Marrdro Was Pissed)

    Quote Originally Posted by "Purple Floyd" #1095738
    It's just a game. Relax, rest a spell, take you coat off.

    Right now the team is in the worst shape it has been in many years not only due to the dysfunction Childress left for Frazier but also because the rest of the division has really beefed up their rosters on both sides of the ball and they all look like they have young franchise type QB's while we crapped out with the guy we spent half a decade developing while ignoring potential franchise QB's that ended up on other teams.

    I don't know if this staff will be any better than the last one but I do know the last one had run it;s course with negative results and something had to change. In reality I wish there was a bigger change at the top that led to a real GM who could set the structure but we are stuck with what we have and hopefully Frazier can build the team back up and get us in the position where we can compete in the division again in a few years. Until then it is going to be a bumpy ride my friend.

    OTOH on the bright side we drafted one of the top QB's available for the first time in a dozen years and might possibly not have to rely on old and busted guys for a while if they chose right and it looks like he will have a better OL and some nice targets to begin his career. hopefully the staff is smart enough to make the offense into something that he can execute proficiently and that will go a long way towards getting back into contention.
    I agree with almost everything you just said, with one or two exceptions.....

    I don't think this team is in as bad a shape as you believe. It has basically the same players on it that got to the NFCC 2 years ago.

    Last year was a season marred by injury to the QB, across the OL, the WR's and CB's.

    We added a very nice QB that should have a good year if he plays in the system (ala the Noodle in 2009).

    It appears the staff believes they can resign Rice as they didn't really address it as a priority need in the draft.

    All the starters on the OL had surgery and should be back on the field.

    Status of Cook and Griff is in question, as of yet, but I am hopefull.

    That leaves:

    DT position, which they appear to have their guy in Ballard. (I cooled off a bit after I did my research on that one)

    LB - Still not sure of the plan. Homan and Reed (probably going to play SLB not DE) will have a say in that solution, not to mention they could move Jasper out there to the SLB spot as well.

    Again, there are some questions, and some work for the staff, but I just don't see this team as being in shambles as you think. Thats why I was so miffed yesterday when I looked at how they were drafting.

    Hind sight is 20/20. After reviewing each player a bit more, I am now satisfied with the draft as a whole, FOR THE MOST PART. :laugh:
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    Re: What The Others Think (Cause Marrdro Was Pissed)

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1095755

    I don't think this team is in as bad a shape as you believe. It has basically the same players on it that got to the NFCC 2 years ago.

    Last year was a season marred by injury to the QB, across the OL, the WR's and CB's.

    We added a very nice QB that should have a good year if he plays in the system (ala the Noodle in 2009).
    Throwing to who? Rudolph and Harvin?
    It appears the staff believes they can resign Rice as they didn't really address it as a priority need in the draft.
    It appears nothing. Rice has made it quite clear he will walk if he's Unrestricted
    All the starters on the OL had surgery and should be back on the field.
    That should work so well... I mean Birk was a whole new player after his back surgery. And sullivan should hold up quite well against the Packers NT and the Lions wall of pain.


    DT position, which they appear to have their guy in Ballard. (I cooled off a bit after I did my research on that one)
    Oh goodie, I somehow don't think Ballard and Guion will be as effective as Kevin & Pat Williams
    LB - Still not sure of the plan. Homan and Reed (probably going to play SLB not DE) will have a say in that solution, not to mention they could move Jasper out there to the SLB spot as well.
    Do you really think our sixth round pick will come in and start right away? These guys are there for a reason, they're not starters. not yet anyway. We have a bunch of late round/undrafted guys with Erin, Kenny, Jasper, and none of them are ready to step in, and they have NFL experience, what makes you think this rookie, one of who is listed as a DE and the other can't play strong side, will be effective at all? Special teams guys for now.
    Again, there are some questions, and some work for the staff, but I just don't see this team as being in shambles as you think. Thats why I was so miffed yesterday when I looked at how they were drafting.
    Packers - Superbowl Champs who basically get two draft classes this year (rookies, and injured reserve)

    Bears - NFCCG, improved themselves through the draft, and likely will in FA as well

    Lions up and coming team, who have the weapons to devastate us if they play good football.

    Vikings - Last place in the NFCN, behind the lions, with a rookie QB, and players who don't want to be here.

    Yeah, I'd say were in a little bit of what you'd call 'shambles'
    Hind sight is 20/20. After reviewing each player a bit more, I am now satisfied with the draft as a whole, FOR THE MOST PART. :laugh:
    As am I. I'm confident in 3+ years at least four of these guys will be decent players. Only problem is, it's not 3+ years from now.

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    Re: What The Others Think (Cause Marrdro Was Pissed)

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1095804
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1095755

    I don't think this team is in as bad a shape as you believe. It has basically the same players on it that got to the NFCC 2 years ago.

    Last year was a season marred by injury to the QB, across the OL, the WR's and CB's.

    We added a very nice QB that should have a good year if he plays in the system (ala the Noodle in 2009).
    Throwing to who? Rudolph and Harvin?
    It appears the staff believes they can resign Rice as they didn't really address it as a priority need in the draft.
    It appears nothing. Rice has made it quite clear he will walk if he's Unrestricted
    All the starters on the OL had surgery and should be back on the field.
    That should work so well... I mean Birk was a whole new player after his back surgery. And sullivan should hold up quite well against the Packers NT and the Lions wall of pain.


    DT position, which they appear to have their guy in Ballard. (I cooled off a bit after I did my research on that one)
    Oh goodie, I somehow don't think Ballard and Guion will be as effective as Kevin & Pat Williams
    LB - Still not sure of the plan. Homan and Reed (probably going to play SLB not DE) will have a say in that solution, not to mention they could move Jasper out there to the SLB spot as well.
    Do you really think our sixth round pick will come in and start right away? These guys are there for a reason, they're not starters. not yet anyway. We have a bunch of late round/undrafted guys with Erin, Kenny, Jasper, and none of them are ready to step in, and they have NFL experience, what makes you think this rookie, one of who is listed as a DE and the other can't play strong side, will be effective at all? Special teams guys for now.
    Again, there are some questions, and some work for the staff, but I just don't see this team as being in shambles as you think. Thats why I was so miffed yesterday when I looked at how they were drafting.
    Packers - Superbowl Champs who basically get two draft classes this year (rookies, and injured reserve)

    Bears - NFCCG, improved themselves through the draft, and likely will in FA as well

    Lions up and coming team, who have the weapons to devastate us if they play good football.

    Vikings - Last place in the NFCN, behind the lions, with a rookie QB, and players who don't want to be here.

    Yeah, I'd say were in a little bit of what you'd call 'shambles'
    Hind sight is 20/20. After reviewing each player a bit more, I am now satisfied with the draft as a whole, FOR THE MOST PART. :laugh:
    As am I. I'm confident in 3+ years at least four of these guys will be decent players. Only problem is, it's not 3+ years from now.
    WTF negative nancy. 4th place in the powerful NFC North is nothing to scoff at.
    Why must you defend everything this FO does....to the point of making your self look like a yes man.

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    Re: What The Others Think (Cause Marrdro Was Pissed)

    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1095755
    I agree with almost everything you just said, with one or two exceptions.....
    We have come a long way.


    I don't think this team is in as bad a shape as you believe. It has basically the same players on it that got to the NFCC 2 years ago.
    While that may or may not be true, the glaring fact is the rest of the division has taken big steps forward and right now that same talent that might have been good enough for a division title will now get you the bottom rung on the ladder.

    Last year was a season marred by injury to the QB, across the OL, the WR's and CB's.
    Every team in the division battled injuries across the board. It didn't stop Detroit from improving their record, Chicago from winning the division and getting to the NFCCG and the Packers from winning the SB. The fact is we had very little depth ( Something at the beginning of the season you thought we had a surplus of) and thus we could not recover from a few injuries like other teams could.

    We added a very nice QB that should have a good year if he plays in the system (ala the Noodle in 2009).
    The other 3 teams are ahead of us at the QB position and barring injuries we will have the 4th best QB in the division.

    It appears the staff believes they can resign Rice as they didn't really address it as a priority need in the draft.
    What they think and what happens are 2 different things but as it stands he is a FA and without him we are very thin at WR.

    That being said we can always sign Chad Ocho in FA


    All the starters on the OL had surgery and should be back on the field
    .

    McKinney, Loadholt,Sully and Hutch all had surgery? I thought only Herrera did.

    Status of Cook and Griff is in question, as of yet, but I am hopefull.
    It is a huge question mark.
    That leaves:

    DT position, which they appear to have their guy in Ballard. (I cooled off a bit after I did my research on that one)
    My research on him left me underwhelmed.

    LB - Still not sure of the plan. Homan and Reed (probably going to play SLB not DE) will have a say in that solution, not to mention they could move Jasper out there to the SLB spot as well.
    Maybe the group with the least question marks.

    Again, there are some questions, and some work for the staff, but I just don't see this team as being in shambles as you think. Thats why I was so miffed yesterday when I looked at how they were drafting.
    Look at the division again and tell me we have a prayer of competing and winning it. Not for a few years my friend.


    Hind sight is 20/20. After reviewing each player a bit more, I am now satisfied with the draft as a whole, FOR THE MOST PART. :laugh:
    I don't know that I have a problem with the draft but they had more things to fix in order to get to the level of the top teams than could be fixed in one draft. That coupled with the fact we cannot be real aggressive in FA because we are cycling our own FA's this year and the task is that much harder.

    Thankfully we now have a new staff and don't have to worry about Childress anymore.

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    Re: What The Others Think (Cause Marrdro Was Pissed)

    Quote Originally Posted by "marshallvike" #1095872

    WTF negative nancy. 4th place in the powerful NFC North is nothing to scoff at.
    If you're content with finishing 20th in the league, great.

    Me, not so much. We've got alot of work to do, and people who think that we're making a run this year are setting themselves up for disappointment.

    Sorry if you don't like it, but it's reality, not some purple tinted world you all live in.

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    Re: What The Others Think (Cause Marrdro Was Pissed)

    Quote Originally Posted by "i_bleed_purple" #1095804
    Quote Originally Posted by "Marrdro" #1095755

    I don't think this team is in as bad a shape as you believe. It has basically the same players on it that got to the NFCC 2 years ago.

    Last year was a season marred by injury to the QB, across the OL, the WR's and CB's.

    We added a very nice QB that should have a good year if he plays in the system (ala the Noodle in 2009).
    Throwing to who? Rudolph and Harvin?
    It appears the staff believes they can resign Rice as they didn't really address it as a priority need in the draft.
    It appears nothing. Rice has made it quite clear he will walk if he's Unrestricted
    All the starters on the OL had surgery and should be back on the field.
    That should work so well... I mean Birk was a whole new player after his back surgery. And sullivan should hold up quite well against the Packers NT and the Lions wall of pain.


    DT position, which they appear to have their guy in Ballard. (I cooled off a bit after I did my research on that one)
    Oh goodie, I somehow don't think Ballard and Guion will be as effective as Kevin & Pat Williams
    LB - Still not sure of the plan. Homan and Reed (probably going to play SLB not DE) will have a say in that solution, not to mention they could move Jasper out there to the SLB spot as well.
    Do you really think our sixth round pick will come in and start right away? These guys are there for a reason, they're not starters. not yet anyway. We have a bunch of late round/undrafted guys with Erin, Kenny, Jasper, and none of them are ready to step in, and they have NFL experience, what makes you think this rookie, one of who is listed as a DE and the other can't play strong side, will be effective at all? Special teams guys for now.
    Again, there are some questions, and some work for the staff, but I just don't see this team as being in shambles as you think. Thats why I was so miffed yesterday when I looked at how they were drafting.
    Packers - Superbowl Champs who basically get two draft classes this year (rookies, and injured reserve)

    Bears - NFCCG, improved themselves through the draft, and likely will in FA as well

    Lions up and coming team, who have the weapons to devastate us if they play good football.

    Vikings - Last place in the NFCN, behind the lions, with a rookie QB, and players who don't want to be here.

    Yeah, I'd say were in a little bit of what you'd call 'shambles'
    Hind sight is 20/20. After reviewing each player a bit more, I am now satisfied with the draft as a whole, FOR THE MOST PART. :laugh:
    As am I. I'm confident in 3+ years at least four of these guys will be decent players. Only problem is, it's not 3+ years from now.
    I think I understand why we can't agree on anything....

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